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Joe Passaseo

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Accuracy of Special Navy Type II A
« on: 04 Feb , 2016, 20:27 »
I am very curious as to why the Special Navy IIA kit shows 2 periscopes when I have read on
a few u boat related sites that the Type IIAs only had one 1 periscope.

Also did the DF loop antenna not get moved to the inside of the tower until later variants?

Which is correct?

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Re: Accuracy of Special Navy Type II A
« Reply #1 on: 05 Feb , 2016, 08:43 »
Hello Joe.

The type II boats had 2 periscopes. At least all blueprints in Eberhard Rosslers Uboot typ II book say so. Including the prototype CV-707 Vesikko.
And you are right about the DF loop antenna.

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Re: Accuracy of Special Navy Type II A
« Reply #2 on: 05 Feb , 2016, 14:24 »
Joe, if you are looking for a IIA kit with the full AMP upgrade set... I have spare of both !
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Re: Accuracy of Special Navy Type II A
« Reply #3 on: 05 Feb , 2016, 14:47 »
Hello gents,

Yes, as Anakin says there were two periscopes (there are a few photos all showing two periscopes on IIAs).

I can't see any D/F loop on the IIAs (U 1 to U 6), either inside or outside the tower.

The distinguishing feature of the Germaniawerft built IIBs (U 7 to U 12) was the D/F loop on the front of the tower. This wasn't a great place to put it (not exactly hydrodynamic) so on all later Type IIs the loop was placed inside the tower bulwark.

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Re: Accuracy of Special Navy Type II A
« Reply #4 on: 06 Feb , 2016, 02:17 »
Hi Dougie and Joe.

The Df antenna is visible in Rosslers book page 83 plan 9. Type II A (U1  -  U6) side view and deck plan. Located in the port side of the conning tower.



Type II B (U7  -  U12) the antenna was indeed on the front of the ct.

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Re: Accuracy of Special Navy Type II A
« Reply #5 on: 07 Feb , 2016, 06:15 »
Hi Anakin,

Ah yes, that's where it is.

Many thanks,

Dougie
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Re: Accuracy of Special Navy Type II A
« Reply #6 on: 07 Feb , 2016, 18:03 »
Thanks Guys for your replies,

I have carefully looked at the existing photos of U1 to U6 and a second periscope is clearly
visible on most of them and can say that photo evidence, well, equals fact even with tower
numbers visible to confirm this.

Yet in David Miller's Illustrated History of the Raiders of the Deep, U boat Aces site and
Wikipedia, all claim that the IIAs had 1 periscope. To further this, Kagero's 3D book of
The Type IIa shows the tower with having 1 periscope, one UZO stand aft of the hatch
and the DF on the outside of the tower.

This is what led me to inquire as there is conflicting info. Are the above sources all wrong?

PS....Thanks for the offer Glenn but I have that kit in my stash.

Cheers,
Joe
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Re: Accuracy of Special Navy Type II A
« Reply #7 on: 08 Feb , 2016, 08:45 »
Yeh, likely those other sources are wrong.

I went to the Wikipedia page for "German Type II submarine"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Type_II_submarine#Type_IIA

and corrected the info for IIA from 1 periscope to 2 periscopes... and removed incorrect statement from IIC description that stated a 2nd periscope was added at that boat.   
There were always 2 periscopes from IIA onwards.

Also contacted uboataces and asked them to correct the incorrect information. 
The info between wiki & uboataces was identical.
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Re: Accuracy of Special Navy Type II A
« Reply #8 on: 08 Feb , 2016, 09:51 »
I have some blueprints/plans from the internet and books about type II and Vesikko. I've been studying them again and i must say the Uboat aces site and wikipedia has wrong information. They both had attack and sky periscopes. Manufactured by Carl Zeiss/Nedinsco. These boats were almost identical. Both had same kind of inner structure and same order. The periscope installation was identical. Main difference was the shape of the conning tower. Other differencies was decks flow gaps and hatches. Vesikkos hull has more riveted seams than type II u-boats.

I've been thinking also that kagero type II book but never purchased one because the type VII book had some false information. Fancy but false info. Just like the Haynes U-Boat manual...   :D

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Re: Accuracy of Special Navy Type II A
« Reply #9 on: 08 Feb , 2016, 10:06 »
Quote from: Anakin on 08 Feb , 2016, 09:51
Fancy but false info. Just like the Haynes U-Boat manual...   :D

OMG... Haynes U-boat manual got some stuff wrong!?!?!?      That's it... my world is shattered.   LOL  :D
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Re: Accuracy of Special Navy Type II A
« Reply #10 on: 08 Feb , 2016, 10:19 »
If anyone knows how to add verifications or citations to the wiki page about "German Type II Submarine", would you please do so?
The Rossler book is already referenced in the bibliography section at the bottom of the page.

I do not know how to add citations... the coding is a bit beyond me.

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Re: Accuracy of Special Navy Type II A
« Reply #11 on: 08 Feb , 2016, 10:26 »
Quote from: GlennCauley on 08 Feb , 2016, 10:06
Quote from: Anakin on 08 Feb , 2016, 09:51
Fancy but false info. Just like the Haynes U-Boat manual...   :D

OMG... Haynes U-boat manual got some stuff wrong!?!?!?      That's it... my world is shattered.   LOL  :D
It was quite hilarious situation when i got it... :)   My wife gave it to me for a christmast...  :D
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« Reply #12 on: 08 Feb , 2016, 10:47 »
Well, thanks again guys....it is all clear now! I can now proceed with my attempt at a 1:144 conversion.
 
I have the Rosslers books and articles...will stick with those.
 
And yes, I also was directed to the Haynes book by a friend, looked at it and found it as you hilarious...never bought it.
 
Thanks again!
 
Happy modeling,
Joe
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Re: Accuracy of Special Navy Type II A
« Reply #13 on: 10 Feb , 2016, 01:57 »
Speaking of the pros of the Haynes Type VII manual (a bit off topic am afraid): there are quite a number of very nice pictures all over the book (close-ups and interiors of U 995 and some interesting BW pictures -a very crisp picture of the 8.8. mm gun taken from behind among them-). The book has its limits (wrong captions/ technical information and so on) but is not that bad after all. I am sure there are better books around but i would spare it from being used for skeet shooting.
 
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« Reply #14 on: 10 Feb , 2016, 07:01 »
Quote from: SG on 10 Feb , 2016, 01:57
I am sure there are better books around but i would spare it from being used for skeet shooting.

ROFLMAO

" PULL ! "
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« Reply #15 on: 10 Feb , 2016, 11:56 »
 ;D ;D ;D
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« Reply #16 on: 26 Mar , 2016, 21:20 »
Reminds me of History of the World Part One: Louis XVI is skeet shooting. He declares "I love my people! PULL!" and up goes a peasant flying through the air...
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« Reply #17 on: 29 Mar , 2016, 08:28 »
Quote from: Rokket on 26 Mar , 2016, 21:20
Reminds me of History of the World Part One: Louis XVI is skeet shooting. He declares "I love my people! PULL!" and up goes a peasant flying through the air...

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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