Author Topic: Type IXC accessories (Read 83901 times)

Capt Kremin · « **on:** 06 Jan , 2014, 13:28 »

As the accessory market is starting to come to life I thought I'd start a new topic with all the accessories that have been produced specifically for Revells Type IXC that I am aware of and are available at this time, not coming soon, will fit or hoped for.
If anyone finds any more feel free to add them.

Regards
Jon

Alphabetically:
Eduard 53106 Photo Etch Set1
Hecker & Goros KSHG254 Submarine Crew in the Indian Ocean for U-boat Type IX for Revell SET I (4 figs)
Hecker & Goros KSHG255 Submarine Crew in the Indian Ocean for U-boat Type IX for Revell SET II (3 figs)
Schatton Modellbau 72168 German Submarine Type IX Periscope
Schatton Modellbau 72169 German Submarine Type IX AA-gun-barrels; 4 x 2 cm and 1 x 3.7 cm

thomcmdchief · « **Reply #1 on:** 06 Jan , 2014, 18:00 »

Thanks Jon,

That's a great start. I thought the Eduard fret to be pretty expensive, but we'll see if its worth it when it arrives. I also ordered the periscopes. I think the two things that are holding me back are an upper hull kit and decking. Oto's deck is beautiful, but being brass, if you want to open the torpedo storage compartments and drop some Dragon, or WEM torpedoes in storage, you have to make some cuts. So I'm hoping now the holidays are over, businesses will start working on aftermarket kits for this sub.

Anyway, all the vents are cut out, I beams replace the molded pieces in the limber holes, and give the correct illusion of structure under the deck. So far, so good.

Greif · « **Reply #2 on:** 15 Jan , 2014, 07:29 »

Great idea! I plan to hold off starting anything on my Type IXc until some more AM stuff hits the street. Currently I have not decided which one of the 54 Type IXc's that were commissioned to build, but I want to depict one during the 1941-42 timeframe. As an aside, I live about an hour away from where the Schatton Modellbau stuff is made, and I am able to mail stuff for folk's living in the USA via USPS Priority Mail using continental rates; so if folks are either having trouble finding Schatton AM items or are put off by the cost of international mail, let me know and I can probably help.
The "buzz" here gives me fond memories of when the first Type VIIc was released several years ago and Wing and Dougie started this website. Nice!
Ernest

GlennCauley · « **Reply #3 on:** 16 Jan , 2014, 11:12 »

A reply to my inquiry about upcoming CMK detail sets for the Type IX:

"Hello, thank you for your interest in our future products. Considering your question, exterior sets are not designed, yet. But you can expect to find in these sets parts that will enhance the exterior - railings, antennae, periscope, etc. Weapon set will contain highly detailed double 20mm and 40mm cannons. Weapon Conversion will contain 105mm gun, double 40mm and some 20mm cannons. All the sets will be announced in advance at our site and on modeller website. If you have any other question, just let me know. Best regards, Jan Hajicek, Admin, www.cmkkits.com"

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I inquired if they meant "37mm cannon" instead of "40mm cannon" and I am awaiting the reply.

Greif · « **Reply #4 on:** 16 Jan , 2014, 23:18 »

Thanks for the info Glenn, it looks like the AM companies have been quick off the mark to get some good stuff on the market, and a lot more will follow.

Ernest

Quote from: GlennCauley on 16 Jan , 2014, 11:12

A reply to my inquiry about upcoming CMK detail sets for the Type IX:

"Hello, thank you for your interest in our future products. Considering your question, exterior sets are not designed, yet. But you can expect to find in these sets parts that will enhance the exterior - railings, antennae, periscope, etc. Weapon set will contain highly detailed double 20mm and 40mm cannons. Weapon Conversion will contain 105mm gun, double 40mm and some 20mm cannons. All the sets will be announced in advance at our site and on modeller website. If you have any other question, just let me know. Best regards, Jan Hajicek, Admin, www.cmkkits.com"

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I inquired if they meant "37mm cannon" instead of "40mm cannon" and I am awaiting the reply.

Capt Kremin · « **Reply #5 on:** 18 Jan , 2014, 08:17 »

Hi all,
In keeping with the start of this thread I will pass no comment as to the quality or usefulness of any accessories that I list, despite some of them arriving through my letter box already. I'll leave that to others.
That said as this next supplier is not a well known one I will give you a bit more info on him, Boris Nakropin, SRS or SmallRivets, depending where you find his items for sale.
It's possible to find him on www.ebay.de, Boris can also be found on https://plus.google.com . Regardless of what his ebay items might say he will send his PE sets overseas.
The first 3 sets are 1401, 1402 and 1403, which are all flood vents and drains, see attached photos.

Regards
Jon

falo · « **Reply #6 on:** 20 Jan , 2014, 10:40 »

Hi,

found this upgrade set on:

http://www.tehnoart.eu/fittings-store.html

Just for keeping this thread up to date

falo

GlennCauley · « **Reply #7 on:** 21 Jan , 2014, 08:11 »

Quote from: GlennCauley on 16 Jan , 2014, 11:12

I inquired if they meant "37mm cannon" instead of "40mm cannon" and I am awaiting the reply.

I received a message from CMK again, and was given the go-ahead to pass it along.

"Hello Glenn. You are correct, unarguably. I mismatched Bofors with LM42 caliber. Please, go ahead and let the community know of the future CMK products. Meanwhile, see attached 3D design of Commander's quarters, Officers' quarters & Galley, and the last is Crew front quarters. Best regards, Jan Hajicek, Admin, www.cmkkits.com"

See the attached pics.

dbauer · « **Reply #8 on:** 21 Jan , 2014, 18:35 »

Hi Again!
Any word on a pressure hull for this Boot? It will have to be entirely different than the Type VII. Not to mention longer too!
Dan

cola · « **Reply #9 on:** 23 Jan , 2014, 13:37 »

WOW!!!! that is a ton of stuff there!!! Might be a bit out of my budget...but wow!!!

Greif · « **Reply #10 on:** 23 Jan , 2014, 23:45 »

Some really nice AM stuff available. I hate to think how much $ I am going to spend on this build when it is all said and done.

Ernest

thomcmdchief · « **Reply #11 on:** 31 Jan , 2014, 08:04 »

The two new Eduard PE frets are now available not only from Eduard, but also on E-Bay by hobbymaster. Poor Jason at FreeTime is being left behind. Anyway, the other fret from is almost identical to Boris's with added limber holes for the froward torpedo tubes. Now we've got Oto's deck, with most of what's on this new Eduard fret included, and a bunch of stuff coming from CMK, but we still need the upper pressure hull, and perhaps an early tower and a C40 deck modification.

thomcmdchief · « **Reply #12 on:** 31 Jan , 2014, 10:35 »

FreeTime keeps telling me Blue Ridge is working on a pressure hull, but no time frame. Somewhere on one of the forums, I read a guy was using a paper tube like from paper towels.....actually not a terrible idea, a mailing tube, some plastic tubing, paint, after all, its an illusion of some sort of structure under the decking. Probably a little cheaper than store bought. Oh well, I can stay busy until something turns up.

GlennCauley · « **Reply #13 on:** 03 Feb , 2014, 08:51 »

Pictures & instructions of Eduard PE sets for Type IXC:

53106 (part 1): [Picture] [Instructions]
53107 (part 2): [Picture] [Instructions]
53108 (part 3): [Picture] [Instructions]

Greif · « **Reply #14 on:** 07 Feb , 2014, 02:22 »

Glen, those PE decks look very nice. I have used wooden decks on prior builds and was very satisfied with them. I may use a PE deck for my Type IX build though, as, again, they look very nice. Have you used both? If so what do you think the plus and minuses are for each?
By the way, my Helmut Wick Bf109 E-4 took second place at the contest I had spoken to you about. Based on the comments I think the figures were the deciding factor between my entry and a very nice 1/48th scale F4U Corsair that took third. The winner was a beautiful 1/48th scale B25 Mitchell with an outstanding bare metal aluminum finish, well deserved in my opinion. Thank you for your input on the build!
Sincerely,
Ernest

Quote from: GlennCauley on 04 Feb , 2014, 06:58

PE decking

GlennCauley · « **Reply #15 on:** 07 Feb , 2014, 07:04 »

I have only used wooden decks so far, never PE. Wooden decks have been nice, but present their own issues like the thickness and having the wood stain getting all the way down in the holes/slots. The wooden decks for the towers were grossly overthick, and I had to do a lot of thinning to give a realistic effect.

For the PE deck, I imagine I will have to try new techniques for underbracing supports, etc. due to the thinness. I also hope that I can use metal darkening solution to colour the PE decks black, as I do not really relish the idea of having to paint them.

Congrats on your great job with the Bf109 !!!

bill_c · « **Reply #16 on:** 07 Feb , 2014, 15:59 »

Wow, this is just so confusing and hard to sort out. I'm def interested in a PE deck and any valuable upgrades, but the radar/capstan/etc. one on the previous page is 35 Euros. It would be nice if someone could put together a complete guide for PE to this boat. Off to Chicago in May and plan on doing the tour this time.

Rokket · « **Reply #17 on:** 09 Feb , 2014, 04:23 »

GO to Chicago. It's an AWESOME exhibit.

LASTPACIFIC · « **Reply #18 on:** 09 Feb , 2014, 12:52 »

Hello Gentlemen, I have been reading your post on the type 1XC accessories,and they are a must have. will there be a U.S. supplyer for the deck PE set? I have been unable to contact Oto on his web site and my email keeps kicking back [ unable to locate web page] I grue up in Chicago Il. and used to go and see U505 as a boy when it was out side the musem building, my work has kept me out of town for the last three years so I've not been able to do much modeling, and I just happend to stumble on the revell 1/72 1xc kit and ordered it the same day my last u-boat was u-249 revell V11C/41 please advice. regards Glenn

GlennCauley · « **Reply #19 on:** 03 Mar , 2014, 19:30 »

I have all the Eduard sets, and frankly I seriously doubt that I will use 53108 drainage hole set. I really do not see the point of this set, as the molded holes are by-and-large correct in shape, number, and size (as far as I know). The only thing that the PE does is make the edges super crisp & clean.

When I made U-673 I used the U-Brass & ModelBrass PE sets for their CORRECTED drainage holes. That is not really the case here.

Just my own opinion.

bill_c · « **Reply #20 on:** 05 Mar , 2014, 09:56 »

Glenn, you are my guru on all things U-Boats, so I will pocket the $40 and live a few days longer not having to cut the plastic to replace the drainage holes. Thanks!!

GlennCauley · « **Reply #21 on:** 05 Mar , 2014, 10:38 »

Quote from: bill_c on 05 Mar , 2014, 10:32

The 105mm was from an earlier configuration, right, and not the one captured? I hesitate to get into other variants, as the kit already has sufficient challenges, LOL.

Correct... the 105mm deckgun was on the boat originally, then it was removed when the Turm IV tower was put on. That gun was also not on the boat when it was captured.

For the time period I am building my boat as -- DURING the Turm IV refit -- at some point the 105mm deckgun may have still been on the foredeck while the new tower was being installed. That is how I will model the boat... and from what I've read there is no evidence to the contrary as to exactly WHEN the 105 was removed. LOL. Also, the new Turm IV tower originally had a 20mm Flakvierling (quad) on the rear platform... then later on that was swapped with the 37mm LM42U cannon that was on the boat at its capture.

bill_c · « **Reply #22 on:** 07 Mar , 2014, 08:32 »

Quote from: GlennCauley on 07 Mar , 2014, 08:23

(You will need to source the arm sets (L + R) from a Revell kit)

Sorry, which Revell kit?

GlennCauley · « **Reply #23 on:** 07 Mar , 2014, 08:44 »

Quote from: bill_c on 07 Mar , 2014, 08:32

Quote from: GlennCauley on 07 Mar , 2014, 08:23
(You will need to source the arm sets (L + R) from a Revell kit)
Sorry, which Revell kit?

1/72 Type VIIC "Wolfpack" U-boat (80-5015) -- arms from the 88mm deck gun. Or you can make your own.

bill_c · « **Reply #24 on:** 07 Mar , 2014, 09:13 »

Thanks.

The gun kit is so delightful, I'm tempted to add it to the 505 build, but I'd want to know what other changes would be required? I don't want to rebuild the Turm. Bringing the Revell kit up to the standards of Oto's PE set will be work enough, LOL.

GlennCauley · « **Reply #25 on:** 07 Mar , 2014, 09:20 »

Using the 105mm deckgun would definitely have an impact on the timeframe of U-505. If anyone in the future offers this boat with original (Turm I) and/or Turm II towers, that 105mm deckgun would definitely be there. According to Dougie's well-researched timeline, the 105mm deckgun was on the boat until the Turm IV refit... then it was removed. It fits in perfectly with my planned build.

BUT you can also use it on other U-boats that had the 105mm deckgun! A little bit of research would be required, though.

bill_c · « **Reply #26 on:** 07 Mar , 2014, 09:29 »

I have not seen a review of the kit or any information about its decals, so I don't know what other boats might be in the offing. I'm a wimp when it comes to my own decals, so I'd also want to know if there are any AM decal guys making them for other boats?

GlennCauley · « **Reply #27 on:** 07 Mar , 2014, 09:37 »

I am having some decals made for my U-505 build, as during the time period that my boat was in Turm IV refit, it was under the command of Kptlt. Peter Zschech. The tower markings were the large axe on the sides, and the Olympic rings on the front. I wasn't sure of the exact size of each decals, so I made a few variants of larger & smaller sizes.

The kit decals represent the boat on its capture, while under the command of Oblt. Harald Lange... they were very different markings than previous commanders.

dougie47 · « **Reply #28 on:** 07 Mar , 2014, 10:52 »

Hi Bill and Glenn,

Later in the year AMP will be releasing decals for -

U 505 axe emblem – For U 505 under Zschech.

U 505 early shell – For the scallop shell emblem used on U 505 during patrols 12 and 13. This will have no shield background. Olympic rings – For U 505 under Zschech and the following boats – U 37, U 534, U 546, U 869 and U 1230 (Type IXs) U 3, U 20, U 23, U 59, U 203, U 227, U 314, U 344, U 387, U 394, U 407, U 426, U 440, U 467, U 505, U 555, U 643, U 710, U 760 (other types)

10th U-Flottille

It gets a bit difficult to find emblems which were on IXs when the boats had exactly the same features as the Revell kit.

By the way, both U 172 and U 841 both had the Turm IV, Vierling and 105mm together

I'm proof reading the article about U 505 and I'm trying to get it finished.

Cheers,

Dougie

GlennCauley · « **Reply #29 on:** 07 Mar , 2014, 11:03 »

and THAT is why I just LOVE this place

dbauer · « **Reply #30 on:** 09 Mar , 2014, 07:54 »

I have a question:
When was the Bekon Gerat installed on U-505? If you have the 105 deck gun would you also need to make a major refit and have the lower sounding gear removed ? That would mean a major reworking of the keel too.
Thanks,
Dan

dougie47 · « **Reply #31 on:** 09 Mar , 2014, 08:04 »

Hi Dan,

The Balcongerät was fitted in the refit between 2nd January 1944 to 16th March 1944. So yes, if you want to show U 505 with a 105mm you would have to remove the Balcongerät.

Cheers,

Dougie

dbauer · « **Reply #32 on:** 09 Mar , 2014, 10:44 »

Thanks Dougie!
I just thought of that. I am kicking around the idea of building a U-505 after commisioning. That would also require an earlier Trum I or II. Do you know the time line between to retro fitting of the two early Trums? Also what the early emblems would be?
Thanks Again,
Dan

dougie47 · « **Reply #33 on:** 09 Mar , 2014, 12:03 »

Hi Dan,

I'm proof reading the U 505 article tonight and then it will go on the AMP website in the next few days. This should tell you about Turms and emblem dates.

You know, Revell did a 72nd VIIC and then followed it up with a VIIC/41. Then they did a VIIC and VIIC/41 in 144th scale. Its a fair bet they will do an early IXC in a few years time.

If you are toying with the idea of modifying the kit I'd go with a Turm II since I doubt Revell will go for that at a later date.

Cheers,

Dougie

dbauer · « **Reply #34 on:** 09 Mar , 2014, 16:20 »

That sounds Great Dougie!
Do you have dates for the retro fit of the Trum II then? Great! I am looking foward to reading your article. If it is anything like your Type VII article, it will be super!
Regards,
Dan

thomcmdchief · « **Reply #35 on:** 09 Mar , 2014, 19:49 »

Brandon at Freetime just put out a note that the Nautilus XIC wooden deck set with accessories and pictures is done and advanced orders are being accepted. The list of accessories other than the deck is available on the Nautilus website.

GlennCauley · « **Reply #36 on:** 10 Mar , 2014, 11:54 »

Quote from: dougie47 on 09 Mar , 2014, 08:04

The Balcongerät was fitted in the refit between 2nd January 1944 to 16th March 1944. So yes, if you want to show U 505 with a 105mm you would have to remove the Balcongerät.

Sooooo just to clarify... if I am building my boat as being during the Turm IV refit (July 1943) then it will NOT have the Balcongerät ?

dougie47 · « **Reply #37 on:** 10 Mar , 2014, 12:38 »

Hi Glenn,

Yes, that is correct. For your time frame in July 1943, you should -

- remove the Balcongeraet.

- not fit the FuMB Ant 3 Bali 1 antenna (part 169).

- it is okay to fit parts 198. But I would be inclined not to fit the Samoa dipoles (parts 199) (I don't know when the Samoa diploes were added but if I had to guess I'd say later in 1943).

- not fit the 37mm container (part 180).

You also need a Vierling rather than the 37mm.

The U 505 article is done and will be posted soon.

Cheers,

Dougie

GlennCauley · « **Reply #38 on:** 10 Mar , 2014, 17:24 »

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remove the Balcongeraet.

Roger that. It will be interesting filling in the gap and shaping the keel.

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not fit the FuMB Ant 3 Bali 1 antenna (part 169).

Okay. I had planned on installing a PE "Biscay Cross" that I have, but that was only mounted during operation and not likely would be up during a refit. Shame... because the PE one I have is really nice.

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it is okay to fit parts 198. But I would be inclined not to fit the Samoa dipoles (parts 199) (I don't know when the Samoa dipoles were added but if I had to guess I'd say later in 1943).

Okay.

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not fit the 37mm container (part 180).

Okay.

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You also need a Vierling rather than the 37mm.

This was the 1st thing I sourced when I planned this build. I have a Vierling from the S-100, and have the nice Griffon & Eduard PE sets to add detail. See my U-673 build... I had the Vierling on that and it turned out marvelous.

Thank you very much, Dougie!
Looking forward to the new article.

dbauer · « **Reply #39 on:** 10 Mar , 2014, 18:09 »

Okay!
Now the next question: When was the 3rd Periscope removed ? My quess is that an early Trum II U-505 would have the 3rd scope. Would that be correct? Any pics of a Type IX with the 3rd scope out there??
Thanks in advance.
Dan

Capt Kremin · « **Reply #40 on:** 12 Mar , 2014, 10:52 »

Hi Dan

Only IXA's and B's had 3 periscopes, C's onward only had 2

Regards
Jon

falo · « **Reply #41 on:** 14 Mar , 2014, 01:07 »

Here are rare views from one inner section of the ixc. The video was shot during the "Nuremburg Toy Fair 2014" (go to minute 1:30). Look at the leaflet under the displayed torpedo room compartment, you can recognize some impressions of the other sections.

http://www.plastik-modellbau.org/blog/spielwarenmesse-2014-nachlese-video-vom-stand-firma-mpm-production/2014/

Regards
falo

GlennCauley · « **Reply #42 on:** 14 Mar , 2014, 07:58 »

Quote from: falo on 14 Mar , 2014, 01:07

http://www.plastik-modellbau.org/blog/spielwarenmesse-2014-nachlese-video-vom-stand-firma-mpm-production/2014/

Thank you for the link!
I saw a few other things that I will eagerly await, too.

bill_c · « **Reply #43 on:** 14 Mar , 2014, 14:59 »

Torpedo tubes? Is that it? Went by so fast, I don't want to think I missed it.

dbauer · « **Reply #44 on:** 14 Mar , 2014, 18:38 »

Thanks,
Another piece to the puzzle solved!
Dan

dougie47 · « **Reply #45 on:** 16 Mar , 2014, 07:22 »

Hi gents,

Another to be added to the list. These are new figures from Hecker & Goros (KSHG 258) -

It includes a U-boat crewman and two seamen in distress (the base is not included).

Cheers,

Dougie

dbauer · « **Reply #46 on:** 18 Mar , 2014, 15:12 »

Hello All

Just got the PE from Oto today! After looking it over, all I can say is WOW!!!!

The detail on this is Amazing! I also got his 10.5cm deck gun

Also a work of art. Also got the waterline decals and Emblems from AMP; also well done! Now to get to work putting all this together!

Dan

thomcmdchief · « **Reply #47 on:** 21 Mar , 2014, 11:19 »

Dan,
Oto's PE is a great set. You might consider substituting plastruct 1/16" I beam for the torpedo transfer rails on deck. Oto's PE parts look a little thin, and IMHO the plastic rails look more authentic, at least to me.

dbauer · « **Reply #48 on:** 23 Mar , 2014, 07:15 »

Thanks for the idea !
I will check that when I get there. Right now I am still working on the pressure hull and saddle tanks.
regards,
Dan

OldNoob · « **Reply #49 on:** 30 Mar , 2014, 17:04 »

Quote from: GlennCauley on 23 Jan , 2014, 13:06

Good news!

RC Subs is ready to release its new full PE set for the Type IXC kit, including full deck.
Price will be €72.

He said he is "completely satisfied with the result, it is wonderful"

WOW what a nice kit. Way beyond my means though.

falo · « **Reply #50 on:** 07 Apr , 2014, 11:15 »

Wooden ixc deck for sale:

http://www.freetimehobbies.com/1-72-nautilus-models-replacement-deck-for-type-ixc-u-boat-wood-deck/

and brass propellers:

http://www.freetimehobbies.com/copy-of-1-72-flower-class-corvette-brass-propeller-snowberry-for-rvl/

Regards
falo

thomcmdchief · « **Reply #51 on:** 08 Apr , 2014, 08:08 »

Nautilus decks should be shipping this week

Thom

bill_c · « **Reply #52 on:** 08 Apr , 2014, 10:14 »

A bit cheaper than the TehnoArt set.

Capt Kremin · « **Reply #53 on:** 13 Apr , 2014, 13:50 »

Hi All

Good catch falo

To be fair to the Tehnoart set, there is more than just propellers in their set and for europe the price including postage is only slightly cheaper for the G-Factor set.

Regards Jon

bill_c · « **Reply #54 on:** 14 Apr , 2014, 08:33 »

The Tehnoart set seems very heavy on capstans, and has parts like the Hohentwiel radar that are duplicated in the RC Subs set (which I paid over $100 to purchase, so I'm looking to avoid too much duplication). The one thing missing is propellers, so this set, while not quite as nice as the Tehnoart ones, may be the ticket for me at least.

falo · « **Reply #55 on:** 19 Apr , 2014, 02:53 »

@ all,

some more detailed pixs of the ixc wooden deck directly from the manufactures webpage ("Nautilusmodels"). In addition they deliver also planks and hatches. As mentioned in the description text of the wood deck set.

http://nautilusmodels.com/72-508.htm

Regards
falo

42rocker · « **Reply #56 on:** 19 Apr , 2014, 07:46 »

Thanks for sharing all of this.

Wood Deck or Brass Deck that is but one of many of the questions..

Have a Happy Easter. Remember the reason for the Season.

Later Tim

Capt Kremin · « **Reply #57 on:** 26 Apr , 2014, 00:29 »

Hi All

New annoucements from CMK:

Don't get too excited it's just some crewmen:

F72248 U-boat U-IX - Crew returning from a cruise part I (3 fig)

F72249 U-boat U-IX - Crew returning from a cruise part II (3 fig)

No prices yet, but probably around the £8 mark each set

Regards
Jon

Capt Kremin · « **Reply #58 on:** 26 Apr , 2014, 00:32 »

Hi again,

Also, nearly forgot CMK have a newsletter marked:
Submarine Type IXC super detail sets newletter dated 23.04.2014 17:16

It's blank- what a tease

Regards
Jon

falo · « **Reply #59 on:** 27 Apr , 2014, 15:26 »

Hi Cap,

maybe the Andrea U-Boat-crew sets are also a good choice to man a IXC:

http://www.freetimehobbies.com/AES12S06/

http://www.freetimehobbies.com/AES12S05/

http://www.freetimehobbies.com/AES12S07/

http://www.freetimehobbies.com/AES12S03/

Bought this crew set for a few years from the above mentioned company and was impressed by the details of the conning tower crew. They were sculpted in white metal and have crisp details:

http://www.freetimehobbies.com/AES12S01/

Regrds
falo

falo · « **Reply #60 on:** 28 Apr , 2014, 04:17 »

The newsletter link is now active

http://www.cmkkits.com/en/news/submarine-type-ixc-aftermarket-set-newletter/

Regards
Falo

DerXL · « **Reply #61 on:** 01 May , 2014, 13:42 »

Phew.
That CMK stuff surely looks good. I bet it'll cost a hefty amount of cash...

I see a lot of aftermarket stuff available (soon) for the IX.

I'm hoping some company will do an earlier Turm version for the Revell kit. Or maybe I should wait for Revell to release another version of the IX.

42rocker · « **Reply #62 on:** 02 May , 2014, 06:40 »

The IX inside stuff looks even better than the Great inside stuff that they did for the VII. That said the part that I believe that I'm not looking forward to is the price.

Later Tim

Capt Kremin · « **Reply #63 on:** 02 May , 2014, 13:31 »

Hi All

Just a small damper, if any company was thinking of doing an earlier turm they would have to supply at least a section of deck to cover the area under the lower platform, I think we have to hope that Revell will produce an earlier type IXC.
U 532 please, during the Fa 330 trials.

Regards

Jon

42rocker · « **Reply #64 on:** 02 May , 2014, 16:34 »

Very interesting pic with the gyro.
Also could you give the new guy a clue on something. The added deck part. About what date are you talking about and more info on this. I'm doing a type IXC as she should be on August 5th 1942.
Thanks for any info.

Later Tim

dougie47 · « **Reply #65 on:** 03 May , 2014, 13:14 »

Hi Tim,

If you are modelling an IXC in Aug 42 then you need to alter the Turm IV tower on the Revell kit to a Turm 0 tower. As Jon is referring to, a Turm 0 was much shorter in length because it had no lower platform. You would need to completely remove the lower "wintergarten" platform on the Revell kit and when you do this a section of the Revell deck (which was under the Turm IV lower platform) would be exposed. This exposed area would need to be modified to look like the rest of the deck. Although not impossible it would take skill and effort to do this.

However, if you are doing a Turm 0 tower there is another very difficult chore to do. The wooden floor of the Turm 0 had small square holes to let the water drain through. Due to the small size - and the fact the holes are squares - this would be extremely difficult to scratchbuild a Turm 0 tower floor. I certainly wouldn't attempt it.

You'll also have to remove the FuMO 30 box on the port side, scratchbuild a new single 20mm flak gun and add a 105mm deck cannon.

Not wishing to dampen your enthusiasm but modifying to Turm 0 wouldn't be easy.

If you've any questions just ask.

Cheers,

Dougie

42rocker · « **Reply #66 on:** 04 May , 2014, 07:15 »

Dougie
Thank you for that info and I might just be asking a few more questions at a later date.

Later Tim

dbauer · « **Reply #67 on:** 04 May , 2014, 10:54 »

Hi All!
Anything is possible!!! Revell only took 15-20 years of constant nagging to grt the U-505 in 1/72 scale !!!
Regards,
Dan

Capt Kremin · « **Reply #68 on:** 04 May , 2014, 15:39 »

Hi All

The guns will not be a problem, well providing you are:
a) Patient, CMK are due to release the 10.5cm gun and
b) You have a Type VIIC spare to rob the 2cm gun from

Just a thought, how different is the type VII turm 0 gun platform compared to the type IXs?
Just wondering if it would be possible to graft the VIIC gun platform onto the type IX CT $:-\$

Would still leave the deck, but it would be possible.

Regards
Jon

Anyway Revell may yet surprise us all

bill_c · « **Reply #69 on:** 05 May , 2014, 07:57 »

Gents, patience, the 505 just appeared. Give Revell a little time to make some money and gauge the market. They're calling it "late," so that implies they're thinking about an "early," else they'd just call it the U-505.

falo · « **Reply #70 on:** 05 May , 2014, 14:55 »

Hi Dougie, Tim and Cap,

what do you think of using a card model to scratch built the Turm O? You can magnify the needed elements from 1:100 to 1:72 scale. Look at this stunning card model (from Gomix). There are also other U-boat types available from different card model producers, mostly in 1:100 scale.

http://www.kartonist.de/wbb2/thread.php?threadid=230

The wooden deck of the tower (with the square holes) could be made by using a laser cutting service, so you could look later through the deck.

Regards
falo

Capt Kremin · « **Reply #71 on:** 05 May , 2014, 15:33 »

Hi falo

I've looked at some card models at Scale Model World before and have been very impressed with the quality, it could be an easy way round the deck issue more so than the tower, but the tower is do-able. I think it is a slightly different skill set to get the best out of it. But like they say All's fair in love, war and modelling.

Regards
Jon

dbauer · « **Reply #72 on:** 12 May , 2014, 17:01 »

Hi All!
I have as well. Going to us it on a U-166 build. My U-505 ca. 1954 is almost ready! Hope to have some pics soon!
Regaards,

falo · « **Reply #73 on:** 18 Jun , 2014, 12:36 »

Hi,

just for completeness: new crew members from cmkkits.com for the type nine:

http://www.cmkkits.com/en/figures/u-boat-u-ix-crew-with-raincoats-3-fig-1-72-for-revell-kit/

Regards
Falo

Capt Kremin · « **Reply #74 on:** 19 Jun , 2014, 16:44 »

Hi falo

Thanks for that, I saw them a few days ago, put them on my database and forgot to post about them. Doh!

Regards
Jon

falo · « **Reply #75 on:** 02 Jul , 2014, 13:58 »

Hi Cap,

for my liking the guys looks a little bit static.

Regards
Falo

Capt Kremin · « **Reply #76 on:** 03 Jul , 2014, 07:47 »

Hi falo

I know what you mean, with only the heads and one hand to attach there isn't much scope for variation.

Regards
Jon

thomcmdchief · « **Reply #77 on:** 03 Jul , 2014, 15:43 »

I broke down today and ordered the first four CMK/MPM detail sets from Aeromodel. Jan at CMK emailed me that they were shipping the end of next week, and Aeromodel thought I'd have the kits in about three weeks. The forward torpedo room, Petty Officer's quarters, Captain's and Officer's quarters with wardroom, and the Galley are due in first. This will be my first venture into the interior modeling, but I've been inside the real thing so many times, I'm confident I can put something passable together. Now I have to figure a way to tell the wife how much it cost!

Rokket · « **Reply #78 on:** 09 Jul , 2014, 02:18 »

should be an excellent project with all those compartments!

GlennCauley · « **Reply #79 on:** 16 Jul , 2014, 08:09 »

Has there been any further news on the other CMK sets they originally revealed? Looking for bridge details, armament, etc. I cannot find it anywhere. Is there a contact e-mail within CMK that someone could pass along?

thomcmdchief · « **Reply #80 on:** 21 Jul , 2014, 12:00 »

Sorry for not posting this earlier, I've been camping in the UP of Michigan for the past two weeks. You can send an email to Jan at eshop_info@cmkkits.com, but he replied the products would be out in a couple of weeks or so, and gave me this link to Aeromodel: http://www.aeromodel.eu/en/1-1-6/NAVY-SERIES-1-72/?cur=2

I just got a bin full of mail today, but nada for sub parts.

bill_c · « **Reply #81 on:** 22 Jul , 2014, 10:06 »

Has anyone seen this set? I don't really know how it overlaps with the PE sets out:

http://www.aeromodel.eu/en/1-1-6/NAVY-SERIES-1-72/1-72-U-Boot-VII-Exterior-set-part-I-Turret-for.html?cur=2

falo · « **Reply #82 on:** 24 Jul , 2014, 05:41 »

Hi Gentlemen,

found today on the german ebay website the following ixc inner section items for sale:

http://www.ebay.de/itm/CMK-Detail-Resin-Set-Comand-Section-for-Revell-U-Boot-IX-1-72-NEUHEIT-/311023040023?pt=Standmodelle_Bausätze&hash=item486a6af617

http://www.ebay.de/itm/CMK-Detail-Resin-Set-Front-Torpedo-Section-for-Revell-U-Boot-IX-1-72-NEUHEIT-/400746520139?pt=Standmodelle_Bausätze&hash=item5d4e5a9e4b

http://www.ebay.de/itm/CMK-Detail-Resin-Set-Front-Crew-Quarters-for-Revell-U-Boot-IX-1-72-NEUHEIT-/400746523069?pt=Standmodelle_Bausätze&hash=item5d4e5aa9bd

http://www.ebay.de/itm/CMK-Detail-Resin-Set-Officers-Ward-Room-for-Revell-U-Boot-IX-1-72-NEUHEIT-/311023045588?pt=Standmodelle_Bausätze&hash=item486a6b0bd4

http://www.ebay.de/itm/CMK-Detail-Resin-Set-Galley-for-Revell-U-Boot-IX-1-72-NEUHEIT-/311023048644?pt=Standmodelle_Bausätze&hash=item486a6b17c4

Regards
falo

GlennCauley · « **Reply #83 on:** 24 Jul , 2014, 10:52 »

Quote from: bill_c on 22 Jul , 2014, 10:06

Has anyone seen this set? I don't really know how it overlaps with the PE sets out:

http://www.aeromodel.eu/en/1-1-6/NAVY-SERIES-1-72/1-72-U-Boot-VII-Exterior-set-part-I-Turret-for.html?cur=2

Hi Bill,

Do you happen to mean THIS set (for the IXC): http://www.aeromodel.eu/en/1-1-6/NAVY-SERIES-1-72/1-72-U-Boot-IX-Exterior-Set-Part-I-for-REV.html?cur=2

If it is anything like the set for the VIIC (the link you provided) it will include detailed parts for: attack periscope base, UZO + binoculars, main deck gun (88), and possibly turned metal periscopes. This is just a guess!
I have the set for my VIIC and it was worth it. I plan to get the set for the IXC (#N72013).

Capt Kremin · « **Reply #84 on:** 24 Jul , 2014, 12:15 »

Hi Glenn, falo et al,

I'm a bit bemused with CMKs announced list of external detail sets:

N72023 2cm Veirling (self explainatory)
N72020 Weapon Conversion Set - 10.5cm & 2cm Flak Vierling.(earlier armaments for U505)
N72018 Weapon Set- Single 3.7cm M42 & 2*2cm zwilling (final Armament for U505)
N72019 Torpedo Loading Cart on Sea (foreward, aft or both?)
N72013 Exterior Set Part I, no details yet
N72021 Exterior Set Part II, no details yet

I'm guessing that the Veirling being listed with the 10.5cm and by itself would be a welcome, if rather late option for for the Type VIIC/41 (RV05045), or a replacement for the original in the Revell Schnellboot S100 & Flak 38 (RV05002).

If I had to guess I would say that N72013 will be a tower detail set as Glenn said, but I suppect that there will not be a deck gun, probably with some crewmen to populate the tower.

N72021 Would be the equivalent of the N72006 Exterior set Part II resupply at Sea. However the N72006 set is perfectly usable for the type IXC. So all bets are off. Personally I would love to see a turm 0 or II, however as discussed elsewhere this would be very expensive, needing to replace most of the tower and part of the deck.

Regards
Jon

SG · « **Reply #85 on:** 24 Jul , 2014, 14:13 »

Inner sections are impressive !!!

OldNoob · « **Reply #86 on:** 25 Jul , 2014, 02:48 »

PE kit is Twice as much as what i payed for the model alone.

SG · « **Reply #87 on:** 27 Jul , 2014, 04:15 »

Wow!! Excellent work with those PEs. A question about the brass deck, Oto: what have you used to glue the brass deck to the plastic? CA, epoxy or white glue/gators glue? I have read many alarming reports about brass decks ungluing after a sudden change of tempeature and i am trying to understand whats the best adhesive to use in order to prevent unwanted troubles. Am looking forward to seeing the painting process started!

OldNoob · « **Reply #88 on:** 27 Jul , 2014, 04:39 »

Quote from: SG on 27 Jul , 2014, 04:15

Wow!! Excellent work with those PEs. A question about the brass deck, Oto: what have you used to glue the brass deck to the plastic? CA, epoxy or white glue/gators glue? I have read many alarming reports about brass decks ungluing after a sudden change of tempeature and i am trying to understand whats the best adhesive to use in order to prevent unwanted troubles. Am looking forward to seeing the painting process started!

guess you could bolt it down

SG · « **Reply #89 on:** 27 Jul , 2014, 13:18 »

OldNoob do you know where i can find a 1/400 wrench?

GlennCauley · « **Reply #90 on:** 28 Jul , 2014, 09:45 »

Quote from: Capt Kremin on 24 Jul , 2014, 12:15

Hi Glenn, falo et al,

I'm a bit bemused with CMKs announced list of external detail sets:

N72023 2cm Veirling (self explainatory)
N72020 Weapon Conversion Set - 10.5cm & 2cm Flak Vierling.(earlier armaments for U505)
N72018 Weapon Set- Single 3.7cm M42 & 2*2cm zwilling (final Armament for U505)
N72019 Torpedo Loading Cart on Sea (foreward, aft or both?)
N72013 Exterior Set Part I, no details yet
N72021 Exterior Set Part II, no details yet

I'm guessing that the Veirling being listed with the 10.5cm and by itself would be a welcome, if rather late option for for the Type VIIC/41 (RV05045), or a replacement for the original in the Revell Schnellboot S100 & Flak 38 (RV05002).

If I had to guess I would say that N72013 will be a tower detail set as Glenn said, but I suppect that there will not be a deck gun, probably with some crewmen to populate the tower.

N72021 Would be the equivalent of the N72006 Exterior set Part II resupply at Sea. However the N72006 set is perfectly usable for the type IXC. So all bets are off. Personally I would love to see a turm 0 or II, however as discussed elsewhere this would be very expensive, needing to replace most of the tower and part of the deck.

Regards
Jon

Call me impatient, but I finally outright asked the question of CMK:

Hello Jan,

A while ago CMK announced several upcoming detail sets for the 1/72 Type IX-C U-boat (from Revell).

N72013 Exterior Set, Part I
N72018 Weapon Set- Single 3.7cm M42 & 2*2cm zwilling
N72019 Torpedo Loading Cart on Sea
N72020 Weapon Conversion Set - 10.5cm & 2cm Flak Vierling
N72021 Exterior Set, Part II
N72023 2cm Vierling

However, there has been no indication what several of those sets actually contain! We would appreciate if you would give details about set contents, CAD images if possible, timelines for release.

For weapons sets, details about what companies' particular weapons you are using as a basis (Revell, Italeri, etc.) would be also appreciated.

Many of us are waiting to find out what your detail sets include, and are delaying our builds in the hopes of what you MIGHT include. We would appreciate information from you.

Kind regards,
Glenn Cauley
President, IPMS Ottawa
www.travel-net.com/~gcauley/Models

Capt Kremin · « **Reply #91 on:** 29 Jul , 2014, 03:45 »

Hi Glenn et al,

Fair comment, hope you have better luck than me in getting answers out of CMK.

Regards
Jon

thomcmdchief · « **Reply #92 on:** 29 Jul , 2014, 07:30 »

Glenn,
Succinct and to the point. I'm sure Jan will get back to you today some time, he's good that way, and I hope you'll post his reply here. I sent an inquiry to Aeromodel several minutes ago trying to determine if executed means my orders have been shipped. We'll see what I get back, and I'll share it here as well.

thomcmdchief · « **Reply #93 on:** 29 Jul , 2014, 08:11 »

I just received an email from Jindra at Aeromodel, and my orders for the interior sets will be shipped tomorrow. So we'll see how long that will take to get across the pond.

falo · « **Reply #94 on:** 30 Jul , 2014, 04:44 »

Again just for the records here and for thread completion: Two new figure sets from cmk:

http://www.cmkkits.com/en/figures/u-boat-u-ix-crew-returning-from-a-cruise-part-i-3-fig-1-72-for-revell-kit/

http://www.cmkkits.com/en/figures/u-boat-u-ix-crew-returning-from-a-cruise-part-ii-3-fig-1-72-for-revell-kit/

Regards
Falo

bill_c · « **Reply #95 on:** 30 Jul , 2014, 07:47 »

Quote from: GlennCauley on 24 Jul , 2014, 10:52

Do you happen to mean THIS set (for the IXC): http://www.aeromodel.eu/en/1-1-6/NAVY-SERIES-1-72/1-72-U-Boot-IX-Exterior-Set-Part-I-for-REV.html?cur=2

If it is anything like the set for the VIIC (the link you provided) it will include detailed parts for: attack periscope base, UZO + binoculars, main deck gun (88), and possibly turned metal periscopes. This is just a guess!
I have the set for my VIIC and it was worth it. I plan to get the set for the IXC (#N72013).

No, Glenn, I believe that's a different one. I'm getting "AM upgrade-itis" with all these sets. Have the Schatton scopes, so don't need more of them. And I'm doing the late 505 and don't need the 88 deck gun.

GlennCauley · « **Reply #96 on:** 31 Jul , 2014, 09:03 »

Reply back from CMK:

Dear Mr. Cauley,
Please find in the attachment all we are able to provide you with now regarding the Submarine sets. The red marked sets are already available, others will be soon (hopefully).
With kind regards, Petr Prause MPM Production

Here are some things I am authorized to share:

PICTURES
http://www.travel-net.com/~gcauley/U505/images/72011_Front_torpedo_section.jpg
http://www.travel-net.com/~gcauley/U505/images/72014_Command_section.jpg
http://www.travel-net.com/~gcauley/U505/images/72015_Front_crew_quarters.jpg
http://www.travel-net.com/~gcauley/U505/images/72016_Captain_and_officers_wardroom.jpg
http://www.travel-net.com/~gcauley/U505/images/72022_Galley.jpg

DOCS
http://www.travel-net.com/~gcauley/U505/files/letak-sety-red-1_opt.pdf
http://www.travel-net.com/~gcauley/U505/files/List_of_resin_kits_for_Uboot_IXC.pdf

thomcmdchief · « **Reply #97 on:** 31 Jul , 2014, 11:35 »

I received an email from Aeromodel this morning confirming the first five interior kits have been shipped to me as of today. So I'm still in wait mode.

GlennCauley · « **Reply #98 on:** 31 Jul , 2014, 12:09 »

Quote from: OldNoob on 30 Jul , 2014, 22:39

Im really beginning to drool over Oto's PE kit. I hope it will still be around in a few months

To quote NIKE: "Just Do It"

VonStigler · « **Reply #99 on:** 03 Aug , 2014, 07:21 »

Might be old news but I have seen the Eduard 3-part set for sale here for about $70:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/BiGAtzteilset-fur-U-boat-IXC-Revell-1-72-von-Eduard-/390899078863?pt=Standmodelle_Bausätze&hash=item5b036696cf

I thought this was a good price so I ordered one, I have seen the individual sets going for around $40.

thomcmdchief · « **Reply #100 on:** 11 Aug , 2014, 18:50 »

I'm still waiting for the first five interior sets to arrive from Aeromodel, but I have been chewing on the kit pictures on Facebook, and I have a question for the experts here. Does anyone know where I might find 1/72nd scale explosive proof light fixtures as replacements for the resin parts that come with the sets. I'm looking to illuminate the interior, and I'd like to use realistic lighting. I'd really appreciate hearing from anyone's suggestions.

Capt Kremin · « **Reply #101 on:** 12 Aug , 2014, 02:52 »

Hi thomcmdchief,

I would suggest a search of railway lighting.
The picture attached is an HO street light that I found after a quick search, judging by the hand I would say that it is a bit big and too square, but there must be others.

Also finally the interior sets are listed on the CMK website, out of stock 30 days, I think you might be waiting a bit longer yet.

Update:
just found this one, see picture, it would need wire frame adding but it looks close to size

Regards
Jon

thomcmdchief · « **Reply #102 on:** 12 Aug , 2014, 08:25 »

Thanks Jon, that's where I started, and there are some promising fixtures, but looking at the pictures of the kit parts, there are a ton of different sized resin fixtures, and until I get them in hand (they have been stuck in Frankfurt since 1 August) I can't determine if I can drill out the kit parts, fit to an LED or grain of wheat bulb. So I do appreciate the info and will be shopping.

dougie47 · « **Reply #103 on:** 12 Aug , 2014, 13:17 »

Hi gents,

The five CMK interior sets for the IXC are now in stock at Hannants in the UK (all showing 20+ sets available). So you might be getting your sets from Aeromodel soon.

http://www.hannants.co.uk/

Cheers,

Dougie

falo · « **Reply #104 on:** 12 Aug , 2014, 13:52 »

Hi thomcmdchief , hi Cap,

a friend of mine is a science-fiction modeler and this is his favorite website resp. source for LED lighting:

http://www.paragrafix.biz/search01.asp?MainCat=LEDs%20and%20Lighting

Regards
Falo

thomcmdchief · « **Reply #105 on:** 15 Aug , 2014, 15:56 »

I received the first five interior sets this afternoon. What I can say so far is wow! The parts are incredibly crisp, detailed, good construction diagrams, and there are PE frets for handles etc. They also include a double edge saw blade in each kit. I'll try and shoot some pictures tomorrow and post them here.

GlennCauley · « **Reply #106 on:** 18 Aug , 2014, 08:29 »

CMK interior sets (5) are now available through SprueBrothers, too:

http://store.spruebrothers.com/product_p/cmkn72011.htm
http://store.spruebrothers.com/product_p/cmkn72014.htm
http://store.spruebrothers.com/product_p/cmkn72015.htm
http://store.spruebrothers.com/product_p/cmkn72016.htm
http://store.spruebrothers.com/product_p/cmkn72022.htm

GlennCauley · « **Reply #107 on:** 18 Aug , 2014, 08:30 »

Quote from: thomcmdchief on 15 Aug , 2014, 15:56

I received the first five interior sets this afternoon. What I can say so far is wow! The parts are incredibly crisp, detailed, good construction diagrams, and there are PE frets for handles etc. They also include a double edge saw blade in each kit. I'll try and shoot some pictures tomorrow and post them here.

Yes, please!
CAD images are nice... but seeing the real products is nicer!

thomcmdchief · « **Reply #108 on:** 18 Aug , 2014, 16:39 »

I keep getting a fatal exception message when I load the pic, so I'll try an email and see what happens

Capt Kremin · « **Reply #109 on:** 19 Aug , 2014, 05:33 »

Hi thomcmdchief,

Are your pics over 750kb each, most cameras now take much bigger pictures now, even phone pictures are larger than 750kb without adjusting. If you are still having problems pm me and I'll send you my email and I'll make them useable.

Regards
Jon

Rokket · « **Reply #110 on:** 20 Aug , 2014, 03:42 »

Increased folder size, still having trouble, sorry about this

Capt Kremin · « **Reply #111 on:** 20 Aug , 2014, 10:32 »

Hi all,

1 of 3 pictures from thomcmdchief.

Regards
Jon

Capt Kremin · « **Reply #112 on:** 20 Aug , 2014, 10:35 »

Hi all,

2 of 3 pictures from thomcmdchief.

Regards
Jon

Capt Kremin · « **Reply #113 on:** 20 Aug , 2014, 10:36 »

Hi all,

3 of 3 pictures from thomcmdchief.

Regards
Jon

thomcmdchief · « **Reply #114 on:** 20 Aug , 2014, 16:56 »

Great pictures Jon, thanks for posting

falo · « **Reply #115 on:** 21 Aug , 2014, 01:37 »

Hi Cap, hi thomcmdchief,

thanks for resourcing these detailed pictures. The resin moulds are looking very crisp.

Regards
Falo

GlennCauley · « **Reply #116 on:** 21 Aug , 2014, 07:21 »

Ohhhh myyyyyyyyyyyyy

thomcmdchief · « **Reply #117 on:** 21 Aug , 2014, 08:48 »

So I'm putting things together for the interior, and I have a question I can't find an answer for. Dougie probably know, so here goes.....which compartments had blue and red night vision lights??? My brain is telling me control room, radio room, birthing areas, perhaps with the exception of the torpedo rooms, galley, and machine spaces had regular lights. I've found mention online of availability of 1.75 mm x3 mm domed cylindrical shape, with a little work, micro masking tape I could replace the 50-60 explosion proof globes that come with the kit. Anybody have any thoughts or suggestions?

Capt Kremin · « **Reply #118 on:** 21 Aug , 2014, 11:12 »

Hi thomcmdchief

Type IX interior seems to be a bit sketchy, from what I can see from interior pictures of the U 505 the original lamps have been removed, or I have been unlucky with the pictures I have, the U 534 interior has no recognisable lamps left.
Going by type VII pictures the general rule would seem to be a white and red light mounted next to each other and an approximate ratio of 3:1 white/red to blue, i.e. in a compartment with 3 red and white lamps there would be 1 blue lamp bearing in mind the blue lamp was for sleeping. I don't know how accurate das Boote is on lighting, but that is what is shown in the film. Exactly what compartments had all 3 colours etc, I'm not sure,I would suggest asking Tore, it would be my guess that the type IX lighting would be basically the same as the type VIIs.

Regards
Jon

thomcmdchief · « **Reply #119 on:** 21 Aug , 2014, 11:43 »

Thanks for the info Jon.....well I'll be talking with Paragfix about the lights, I'll see what they think, I don't want to over-illuminate the crew.

SG · « **Reply #120 on:** 22 Aug , 2014, 11:56 »

thomcmdchief · « **Reply #121 on:** 31 Aug , 2014, 16:56 »

As I continue to work on the various interior kits, I realize that the kits have no graphics to replicate all the gauge faces aboard the U-505. I'm not finding much from Goggle, so does anyone have any sources for guage and instrument faces??? I'd love to get some to download and then print to decal sheets. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Rokket · « **Reply #122 on:** 02 Sep , 2014, 02:36 »

Tore and NZ to the rescue I hope...

falo · « **Reply #123 on:** 02 Sep , 2014, 02:52 »

Hi thomcmdchief,

please look at my detailed photo thread about the typeseven/41. There are a lot of interior photos, where you can find gauges and so on. If you need high-res photos let me know:

http://models.rokket.biz/index.php?topic=1150.0

Regards
Falo

thomcmdchief · « **Reply #124 on:** 05 Sep , 2014, 08:26 »

Quote from: falo on 02 Sep , 2014, 02:52

Hi thomcmdchief,

please look at my detailed photo thread about the typeseven/41. There are a lot of interior photos, where you can find gauges and so on. If you need high-res photos let me know:

http://models.rokket.biz/index.php?topic=1150.0

Regards
Falo

Thanks Falo, those are great pictures and references. What I'd like are straight on pic's or drawings I can size, print and fix to the blank gauge faces then seal with glazing liquid. I've been planning to head to the Museum in the next month or so, and they offer a pre-opening access to the U-505 on select weekends at 0800. Its pricey, $30 for Museum members, but it will give me plenty of time for accurate color pictures of the floors, piping, the gauges and anything that will help me along. Besides, according to MPM (CMK) it'll be another six weeks or so for the final two major interior kits to be ready, so I figure it'll be next summer before I'm finished with the interiorized kit.

falo · « **Reply #125 on:** 03 Oct , 2014, 10:22 »

Hi Gents,

to keep this thread up to date, here are some photos of the upper pressure hull (german ebay section):

http://www.ebay.de/itm/U-Boot-XI-C-Revell-1-72-Druckkorperbausatz-Neu-/121449785297?pt=Standmodelle_Bausätze&hash=item1c46f8a7d1

Regards
Falo

GlennCauley · « **Reply #126 on:** 03 Oct , 2014, 13:42 »

Ohhhhhhhhhhhh myyyyyyyyyyyy

I wonder how well the pieces line up with the bottom of the flooding channel cut-outs.

GlennCauley · « **Reply #127 on:** 03 Oct , 2014, 13:50 »

Ugh I cannot read this at all... or even figure out how to contact the person to inquire about it (especially shipping to Canada)!

Capt Kremin · « **Reply #128 on:** 03 Oct , 2014, 13:56 »

Hi falo and Glenn,

Interesting find, my first thought was Blue Ridge Models as it seem to have about the same accuracy as their type VII pressure hull, but there is nothing on their website, I'd find it surprising if it is a one off, at the moment I'm stumped as to the manufacturer, cannot tell if the seller manufactured it as he does not have anything else up for sale, anyone shed any more light on this?

The seller has no international postage prices, the item says to "contact seller to request postage to your location"

Regards
Jon

Capt Kremin · « **Reply #129 on:** 03 Oct , 2014, 14:22 »

Hi Glenn,

Also says it has a good fit but could be modified to be better, it's hard to tell from the pictures, but it looks a little low but that might be because it is not glued in.
To contact the seller click. Frage stellen. You could try English a high percentage of Germans are fluent in English or use Google translate or even ask falo, I would offer but I am effluent rather than fluent in German.

Regards
Jon

falo · « **Reply #130 on:** 03 Oct , 2014, 15:18 »

Hi Cap, hi Glenn,

the seller tells in his (german) description that some minor modifications might be necessary but the the overall fit of the three pressure hull pieces is good. Furthermore he reports that the pressure hull is a detailed replica developed by a model builder who used original drawings for this resin casts.

Regards
Falo

P.S.: I'am sure he will deliver to Canada on request and that he is able to answer your questions in english otherwise please let me know.

thomcmdchief · « **Reply #131 on:** 03 Oct , 2014, 18:09 »

It's a nice piece of work, but it reads to me like its an auction, or buy it now for 85Euro??? after buying the first five interior kits, my lovely bride would shoot me to pay that much for such a purchase. ::)Even so, that's pretty steep for something that's an illusion under the deck. Seems to me a smart idea might be to buy one, and vacuform a bunch and achieve a much cheaper method of creating a satisfactory illusion.

GlennCauley · « **Reply #132 on:** 04 Oct , 2014, 05:14 »

Seeing as I cannot navigate the German eBay page at all... no clue what buttons to click to achieve ANY desired action... could we get a direct e-mail for the seller? Please?
Hmmmmmmm...... vacuform.............

Capt Kremin · « **Reply #133 on:** 04 Oct , 2014, 05:29 »

Hi all,

Unless you are going to use something like Ottos brass deck and cut some of the openings out I think this is way more detail than is needed, now if you have cut out the lower vents, then you need at least the fore and aft bottom of the pressure hull and the torpedo tubes, unless you are going to mount it low on a base. Then again I'm building an almost complete pressure hull, so who am I to speak about over detailing?

Regards

GlennCauley · « **Reply #134 on:** 04 Oct , 2014, 07:21 »

Exactly the boat I am in, too........ hey look, I made a funny!

falo · « **Reply #135 on:** 05 Oct , 2014, 02:08 »

Hi Glenn,

Shall I contact the seller for you? Please let me know what information do you need from him or post your questions here. Just have to reactivate my ebay account because of this password hack matter which happened a few weeks ago ...

Regards
Falo

@ Cap: I know what you mean even by using Otos deck IMO there would be not enough light to show all the details of the lower and upper pressure hull. BUT as modellers it is important for us to know that the details are there, even when they are hidden. It's a kind of "superdetailing desease" with no chance of healing ;-)

Capt Kremin · « **Reply #136 on:** 05 Oct , 2014, 05:02 »

hi falo,

Absolutely, as hobby modelers we build what we want to build to a detail level we want or are able to, given costs, ability and interest level, and take as long as we want, my local model club motto is, "It's only a piece of plastic", very apt, but when you see the end product your not always sure!

Regards
Jon

falo · « **Reply #137 on:** 05 Oct , 2014, 05:10 »

Hi Cap,

maybe you should modify this motto a little bit in view of all the available aftermarket goods for the subs and uboats: "It's only plastic, resin, brass, turned metal and - sometimes - wood" ;-)

Regards
falo

GlennCauley · « **Reply #138 on:** 06 Oct , 2014, 09:00 »

Quote from: falo on 05 Oct , 2014, 02:08

Hi Glenn, shall I contact the seller for you? Please let me know what information do you need from him or post your questions here. Just have to reactivate my ebay account because of this password hack matter which happened a few weeks ago...

If you would, that would be great, thanks! E-mail is best to get in touch with me: gcauley @ travel-net.com
Purchasing via the German eBay site would be nearly impossible for me since I do not understand the language, so navigating the sale process will be impossible for me to understand or complete. I would like to see if we could do the transaction in an English environment.

falo · « **Reply #139 on:** 06 Oct , 2014, 10:32 »

Hi Glenn,

reactivated my ebay-Account and contacted the seller a view minutes ago for you. I assume that you are a registered ebay member, so I can guide you to the (german) ordering process (if wanted and necessary).

Regards
Falo

falo · « **Reply #140 on:** 10 Oct , 2014, 02:25 »

Hi Glenn,

contacted the seller two times (on Monday and again yesterday) but get no answer yet and e-auction time is running out (only 9 hours left). Sorry for my unsuccessfulness. Will have that offer in mind for you because I suppose he won't sell the pressure hull and have to offer it again: IMO it's a stiff price.

Regards
falo

GlennCauley · « **Reply #141 on:** 10 Oct , 2014, 08:05 »

Thank you for your help

falo · « **Reply #142 on:** 11 Oct , 2014, 12:04 »

Hi Glenn,

I have sent you PM

Regards
Falo

GlennCauley · « **Reply #143 on:** 14 Oct , 2014, 08:43 »

Quote from: falo on 11 Oct , 2014, 12:04

Hi Glenn, I have sent you PM. Regards, Falo

Replied... with thanks!

falo · « **Reply #144 on:** 18 Oct , 2014, 07:01 »

Hi Gents,

had the unique chance to take some pictures from the - a few posts before - mentioned upper pressure hull parts for the IXC. Got my hands for limited time on the original pieces and started photographing. I'am not building a IXC and so it's a service to complete this thread a little bit more. The overall quality of the three casts look very good. As said before and according to the german ebay seller the hull pieces were developed and cast by a professional modeler.

Please note: I don't know the seller and we're unrelated, so this is no commercial it's a documentation of a IMO good work.
I split the pictures. Let's start with an overview:

Regards
falo

falo · « **Reply #145 on:** 18 Oct , 2014, 07:16 »

View from above in following order:

- Bow Section
- Mid-Section (conning tower)
- Stern

Please note the upside down boat on the stern section. It's AFAIK not a lifeboat it's a motorboat. The outboard engine was IMO stored under the boat.

Regards
falo

falo · « **Reply #146 on:** 18 Oct , 2014, 07:22 »

Let's go on with more detailed pictures ...

Regards
falo

falo · « **Reply #147 on:** 18 Oct , 2014, 07:24 »

Last three pictures. Hope the photos will be helpful.

Regards
falo

thomcmdchief · « **Reply #148 on:** 18 Oct , 2014, 12:16 »

Nice work, but really too thick to use in conjunction with MPM's interior sets. Those sets mimic the curve of the pressure hull, and on the forward torpedo room upper outer hull, has the torpedo loading hatch modeled. The other features missing are the hull support frames which IMHO, are the bulk of what shows through the vents original boat, with the torpedo storage tubes and other plumbing lower than can be seen through the vents. I do think however, it is someplace to start, and again, I think a vacuformed version would be of interest, at least to me.

GlennCauley · « **Reply #149 on:** 20 Oct , 2014, 09:14 »

Sweeeeeeeeet !!!

falo · « **Reply #150 on:** 20 Oct , 2014, 14:39 »

Hi thomcmdchief,

what a challenging and ambitious task to build the IXC with all the inner sections. No boredom for the next 1,5 years to be expected, I guess ;-)

Regards
falo

thomcmdchief · « **Reply #151 on:** 22 Oct , 2014, 08:38 »

I'm retired now Falo, so I travel, and have two XIC's to build, one with the interior kits from MPM, and the other just a display model. Actually, the first 5 kits from MPM through Aeromodel, are quite good in terms of detail, and easy to detail and assemble. There are some cast parts that are incompete because of casting problems, but all in all, they go together quite nicely. The issue is waiting for the final two kits to be available. I don't want to proceed until I have the whole set so I only need to worry about the relationships between each section once when I cut the holes in the hull. So far all my inquiries are answered with "we don't know" when the weapons kits, exterior detailing kit, the engine rooms and aft torpedo room will be available. As of yesterday, Petr Hermann from MPM told me to look on their Facebook page for information, but only the first five kits are mentioned. I've added a photo of one section to give you an idea of what the kits look like painted, so I hope it arrive along with this post.
Thom

Capt Kremin · « **Reply #152 on:** 01 Nov , 2014, 17:57 »

Hi Glenn and Dan,

Would the MS30 be of use from Plastruct if it is too low you could glue 2 lengths together.

Regards
Jon

GlennCauley · « **Reply #153 on:** 02 Nov , 2014, 07:16 »

On the kit, the rail dimensions are approximately: 0.043" wide x 0.033" high
However, the hull sides stick up by 0.044" high above the deck.

I mostly have Evergreen plastic stock, so I would likely use 0.040" square stock (#142) which would be Plastruct #MS-40 (1.0 x 1.0mm)

Capt Kremin · « **Reply #154 on:** 02 Nov , 2014, 11:14 »

Hi Glenn,

Thanks for that thought.

Regards
Jon

GlennCauley · « **Reply #155 on:** 12 Nov , 2014, 10:49 »

Eduard has just recently released two new deck guns for 1/72 German submarines:

672053 German Submarine 10,5cm gun
http://www.eduard.com/store/Eduard/Brassin/Aircraft/1-72/German-Submarine-10-5cm-gun-1-72.html

672034 German Submarine 8,8cm gun
http://www.eduard.com/store/Eduard/Brassin/Aircraft/1-72/German-Submarine-8-8cm-gun-1-72.html

dbauer · « **Reply #156 on:** 24 Nov , 2014, 08:16 »

I am with you both on this! I am currently asking this seller if he ships to the USA and how much it would be also.
Regards,
Dan

GlennCauley · « **Reply #157 on:** 24 Nov , 2014, 08:22 »

I got them direct from Eduard... but they also have them at Sprue Brothers in USA.

Wait... hold on... what are we talking about???

Capt Kremin · « **Reply #158 on:** 06 Dec , 2014, 05:40 »

Hi All,

A couple of new figure sets from CMK:
F72251 U boot IXC – Crew at rest in quarters ( 3 fig.)
F72252 U boot IXC – Crew Handling Torpedo (3 fig.)

Still no reply on the other accessories for the Type XIC

Regards
Jon

GlennCauley · « **Reply #159 on:** 06 Dec , 2014, 07:49 »

Quote from: GlennCauley on 12 Nov , 2014, 10:49

Eduard has just recently released two new deck guns for 1/72 German submarines:

672053 German Submarine 10,5cm gun
http://www.eduard.com/store/Eduard/Brassin/Aircraft/1-72/German-Submarine-10-5cm-gun-1-72.html

Sadly, I have stopped building the Eduard 10,5cm gun. It is way out of scale by 20~30% too big. Dammit... it was so beautiful, too.

Issue logged with Eduard... I hope they take it seriously. The 'oversizeness' of the gun is simply too massive to ignore.

GlennCauley · « **Reply #160 on:** 06 Dec , 2014, 11:16 »

I did a direct size comparison between Eduard's new 10,5cm and 8,8cm deck gun kits. (I purchased both these kits at the same time.)

Working with Dougie, who was kind enough to supply proper dimensions of what the 10,5cm gun SHOULD be, we now know that there is no way the Eduard 10,5cm gun can be 1/72. (It is 20~30% too big... maybe more.)

Here are some side-by-size pictures of the Eduard 10,5cm and the 8,8cm guns.
You can see the size differences between the major components: gun size, breech size, sighting components, CRADLE, and circular pivot base.

Would someone familiar with these guns please tell me if there were HUGE differences in their sizes, especially the cradles?

Capt Kremin · « **Reply #161 on:** 06 Dec , 2014, 12:57 »

Hi Glenn,

In a word yes. See attached scans.

Regards
Jon

GlennCauley · « **Reply #162 on:** 06 Dec , 2014, 15:45 »

Thanks, Jon

Well... according do those plans... the Eduard 10,5cm deck gun is accurate !

I took measurements off those plans, did the calculations, and came up with the following chart.

(Though it still does not account for why the circular base is so much bigger than the Revell deck base plate... could THAT be wrong?)

dougie47 · « **Reply #163 on:** 06 Dec , 2014, 15:57 »

Hi Glenn,

You beat me to it by a few minutes. I did the same calculations and got the same results. Looks like the plans Jon posted are very likely the ones Eduard used. Jon - can you tell us where you got these plans?

Glenn - the figures I gave you previously were from plans from Vom original zum Modell: IXC. These plans showed the whole hull rather than only the 10.5cm. So there is more potential for error in the Vom original plan since they show an entire hull and is not focussed on an individual weapon.

You could tape together the Revell IXC hull, deck and tower. Then take a photo of the model with the RCSubs 10.5cm. Then take a photo of the model with the Eduard 10.5cm. If you were to take from different angles I could try to compare to period photos and see which one looks right.

Cheers,

Dougie

Capt Kremin · « **Reply #164 on:** 06 Dec , 2014, 16:17 »

Hi Glenn and Dougie,

Plans come from German Naval Guns 1939-1945 by Miroslaw Skwiot. Some of the info in the book is incorrect, particularly dates of introduction. My guess is that either the book and Eduard are right or Edurd copied their model from the book.
It's a bit late now, but I have another way of cross referencing the relative sizes of the two guns, I'll check it tomorrow.

Regards
Jon

GlennCauley · « **Reply #165 on:** 06 Dec , 2014, 16:29 »

I made a composite drawing of the two guns on the same page... with the same scales that were printed in the book. (Thank you again, Jon.)

It show the relative sizes of the guns.

However, I am still trying to wrap my head around these dimensions... they just seem too big for the 105 in my opinion. The gunner braces (U-shaped braces on the sides, 4 of them) are radically different in size on the scaled plans... but in reality would they have been so much larger on the 105? The circular base plate... I know I keep going back to this... is HUGE compared to the Revell kit base plate on the deck... and to the base plate of the 88.

I am wondering if, in fact, the SCALE of that drawing for the 105 is inaccurate? That would explain a lot.
If there were some key measurement -- like the full length of the barrel + breech -- that we could get for CERTAIN... that would prove key to unraveling this mystery.
(If indeed there is one.)

GlennCauley · « **Reply #166 on:** 06 Dec , 2014, 17:02 »

Here are some pictures I found of the 105 by doing a Google image search.

The 1st pic shows that the circular base plate did indeed fit on the matching base plate on the deck. Currently, the Eduard circular base is about 3mm dia. larger than the scribed plate in the Revell kit hull. (Thought: Eduard is oversized)

The 2nd pic again shows the circular base fitting inside the scribed plate on the (Revell) deck. It also show figures for scale. This seems to indicate that gun/cradle was not massive as what Eduard gun depicts. (Thought: Eduard is oversized)

The 3rd & 4th pics show the size of the gun components, compared to men.

dougie47 · « **Reply #167 on:** 06 Dec , 2014, 17:20 »

Hi guys,

Getting late so last thing for tonight. I have looked at period photos to estimate the width of the base plates (the outside diameter, O.D.) on real IXs. Photos of U 103 show the base plate equivalent to the width of just under 12 slots. The slots width were the same on IIs and VIIs and I'm pretty sure they would be the same on IXs. Assuming they were, just under 12 slot widths are equivalent to about 15.25mm in 72nd scale. Glenn, the O.D. of the Eduard base plate is 15.5mm, isn't it? If so, then maybe it is okay.

I don't know if this helps but the following page gives an overall gun length of 4.74m (65.8mm in 72nd) -

http://navweaps.com/Weapons/WNGER_41-45_skc32.htm

Cheers,

Dougie

GlennCauley · « **Reply #168 on:** 06 Dec , 2014, 18:48 »

I don't know if the slot sizes are the same on IXC as on other boats.

On the Revell deck the gun mount consists of a 14.4mm square plate, and a 12.3mm circular outline inside of that, presumably where the gun's circular base plate is bolted.

The Eduard circular base plate (15.6mm) is much larger than the deck circle (12.3mm) and it overhangs the square plate. Period photos clearly show the circular base does not overhang the square plate.

If we were to take the REAL dimension of the gun overall length as 4.74mm (instead of 5.806m on the other plan), and that all other dimensions are proportionally the same as the other plan, then I can calculate a "conversion factor" of 0.8164 (4740/5806) to "correct" all the other dimensions.

See the attached chart below.
I also included the actual dimensions from the RCSubs gun to see which set of dimensions they are closer to.

(And I just vindicated my old math teachers... math actually DOES get used in the real world. LOL)

dougie47 · « **Reply #169 on:** 07 Dec , 2014, 04:51 »

Hi Glenn,

Your maths teacher would have been very proud!

Looking at your latest table, which is very helpful, one thing is interesting. If you compare the "True 1:72" column to the "Eduard" column you will see all the figures are very close indeed, close enough to suggest that Eduard might have used the Miroslaw Skwiot plan Jon posted.

However, one measurement is quite different - the O.D. of the base. The Skwiot plan indicates 18.5 but Eduard went with 15.5. Why is there a close correlation between all the other figures but a very different one for the base plate? I think I could hazard a guess. The base plate is the one area where one can compare with period photos. If you take a measurement of 18.5mm on the deck of the Revell kit and compare this with deck photos it just looks too big. If they did that then maybe that is why they reduced to 15.5mm?

Cheers,

Dougie

GlennCauley · « **Reply #170 on:** 07 Dec , 2014, 07:59 »

I am going to prepare a "report" for Eduard, using the information that we have discussed here. I will post the pics that Jon shared, and see if in fact these were there reference materials for dimensions. Looking at the period pictures... I am now sure that the scale is too big by nearly 20%. Nothing says that the line drawings were all perfect, either... I would be very unsurprised to find the circular base was off.

The pictures clearly show the base should not overhang the square deck plate. I really do not know how they got that dimension of 15.6 dia for the base... but it too is still wrong. I feel that likely the Revell boat would have proper dimensions for that plate. (Maybe I'm wrong.)

Also, look at the size difference between the U-shaped gunner braces... between their 10,5 and 8,8 sets. The size difference is huge. On the real gun, the sizes of the braces on the different guns should have been fairly similar, yes?

dougie47 · « **Reply #171 on:** 07 Dec , 2014, 08:29 »

Hi Glenn,

I found what I was looking for, which is a photo showing a side on view where the length of the 10.5cm weapon can be compared with the number of main drainage slots on the hull (which are themselves a known length). I can't give you exact measurements from this method, just an approximation. But comparing this photo of U 123 with sizes in 72nd scale the Eduard gun looks way too big. I wouldn't call this evidence but it is another pointer in the direction of the Eduard gun being too big.

Yes, you are right about the gunner's braces. I would think the posterior sizes of the crewmen would not vary and a such we would expect little or no difference in the size of the braces on the 88mm and 105mm.

Cheers,

Dougie

GlennCauley · « **Reply #172 on:** 07 Dec , 2014, 10:54 »

Quote from: GlennCauley on 07 Dec , 2014, 10:48

Here is the report I compiled, and will be submitting to Eduard.

I hope that this prompts them to correct the gun, and re-issue it with the proper dimensions.

Capt Kremin · « **Reply #173 on:** 07 Dec , 2014, 12:35 »

Hi Glenn and Dougie,

Finally found the picture I was looking for and I agree with your measurements more or less, my differences can be covered by photographic measuring errors, with one gun coming out at 64.5mm and another at 66.4mm overall length.

So it would seem that the Skwiot drawings are in error and it's possible that Eduard used his drawings for reference.
It proves the danger of using just one reference source.

Lets hope either Eduard sorts it out or gives Glenn a refund and the proposed CMK 10.5cm is correct, or all 3.

Regards
Jon

GlennCauley · « **Reply #174 on:** 07 Dec , 2014, 12:42 »

Thank you for the confirmation, Jon.

May I ask that people here bring this issue to the attention of Eduard, so that I am not the lone voice crying out in the dark?
I have already logged a support issue, sent that report, and referenced these threads.
It would certainly help if others did likewise.

Cheers!
Glenn

dbauer · « **Reply #175 on:** 08 Dec , 2014, 08:21 »

Hi All!
This indeed makes for interesting reading! I have the 105 from RC Sub. I should be receiving the Eduard version any day now. Would it be possible to kit bash both to make a suitable deck gun? Just a thought.
Regards,
Dan

GlennCauley · « **Reply #176 on:** 08 Dec , 2014, 08:35 »

Oh Dan Dan Dan... you have NO idea how disappointed I was to find out the Eduard gun was waaaayyyy too big. The detail on it is simply beautiful.

I had thought of the same thing as you... to kitbash. Unfortunately, since the Eduard gun is roughly 22% too big, I doubt there are any parts that are useful to use on the RCSubs gun.

On another note, I heard back from Eduard support:

"Thanks for letting us know about this issue and for elaborating the details for us.
I've already passed your message to our Brassin development department. Our guys will look into this and decide, whether or not there's a mistake to fix.
If we want/need your further support, we'll get in touch with you.
Thanks again for your support!
Libor Havranek"

Uhmmmm...... I am not sure I like the choice of words....... "whether or not there's a mistake to fix."
There IS a mistake... a "22% too big" mistake...
I hope that they take responsibility for the error, so that they can move on and re-issue the kit, properly sized.

Again, I am calling on the good people here (who know their stuff) to lodge a complaint with Eduard... so they don't think I'm just some lone crackpot whistleblower type.

Capt Kremin · « **Reply #177 on:** 08 Dec , 2014, 12:29 »

Hi Glenn, I am mobile this week so my facilities are limited. I will put something together on the weekend.
Regards
Jon

GlennCauley · « **Reply #178 on:** 08 Dec , 2014, 12:34 »

Thank you, Jon... every little bit helps, and more voices are hard to disregard.

I heard from another long-time U-boat modeller on another forum -- Grauwolf -- who mentioned that the gun cradle was the same between the 88 and 105 guns... only the barrel changed. He also says the Eduard gun is definitely oversized.

Capt Kremin · « **Reply #179 on:** 08 Dec , 2014, 12:43 »

Hi Glenn,
I thought that about the mount, but I believe there are a couple of minor differences IIRC the 8.8 mount is an SKC35 and the 10.5 is an SKC36. I could be wrong on the actual numbers, I have no reference works with me.
Regards
Jon

falo · « **Reply #180 on:** 08 Dec , 2014, 13:22 »

Hi Gentlemen,

sorry if I'am a little bit late with this attached drawing (don't want to derange things here). It is a composite from F. Koehlers classic book "Vom Original zum Modell – IXC". I just brought the gun and the measurement bar with Photoshop together.

Regards
falo

GlennCauley · « **Reply #181 on:** 09 Dec , 2014, 07:40 »

Another piece of evidence that supports the overall gun length of 4.74m (as opposed to 5.81m)

uboatfan · « **Reply #182 on:** 11 Dec , 2014, 11:17 »

Hello together,

i wonder about all these failures.
It seems nobody was at the original 10,5cm SK C/32 in 10,5cm Ubts LC/36 to check all the dimensions.
I know there is one in Belgium in a Museum (Atlantikwallmuseum Raversijde).
Look here:
http://www.atlantikwall.mynetcologne.de/Atlantikwall/Belgien/AOK%2015/KVA%20A/B-StpTirpitz.html

Scoll down to "671 - Schartenstand für Geschütze auf mittlerer Sockellafette (120°) ohne Nebenräume"

I check all photos i have. 10.5 is much bigger than the 8.8. But Eduard maybe is a little to big.

Is there another 10.5 in a museum anywhere?
I know some 8.8 but only this one 10.5 in Belgium.

Maybe someone lifes near the Museum and could check dimensions?

GlennCauley · « **Reply #183 on:** 11 Dec , 2014, 11:23 »

Is that gun one of the later versions used on the Type IX boats?

Any/all information is appreciated.

uboatfan · « **Reply #184 on:** 11 Dec , 2014, 11:55 »

I don't know. Sorry.

There is only written that these Weapons where installed beginning Mai 1944 to replace older ones.

Capt Kremin · « **Reply #185 on:** 14 Dec , 2014, 00:24 »

Hi uboatfan, Glenn et al,

The gun in Belgium looks to be an ex U boat gun, probably removed from a type IX in 1943 and put into use by Rommel in his attempt to shore up the Atlantikwall. From the pictures it has been modified to have seats rather than U braces. It has a foot brace in view and I would suspect that it may well have a foot operated trigger. One problem though, it will be impossible to measure the barrel length, due to the way it is displayed.
There are some 10.5cm gun around Europe, but be careful, as most of them seem to be ex surface ship guns, with a different mount and barrel so are unsuitable for comparison measurements. These guns are distinguished by having 2 rings on the barrel (see photo) and there is no guarantee that the barrels are the same length. There is a U boat 10.5cm in Duxford at this time, but it is a WW1 gun.
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[/size]Jon

uboatfan · « **Reply #186 on:** 15 Dec , 2014, 05:01 »

Hi,

Yes i know about the huge variants of german 10,5 cm guns.

Look at this page: http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=183889&start=15
This is an ex-u boat gun. reused at surface vessel (Minelayer ?). Somewhere in Germany (?).
The mount and barrel looks like on Type IX boats.

On the other pages at this Threat you will find some drawings. Maybe they are usefull.

Regards,

Uboatfan

thomcmdchief · « **Reply #187 on:** 15 Dec , 2014, 13:50 »

Wow, I haven't been here for quite awhile, but I'm still waiting for the final two interior sections, the engine room, diesel and electric I hope, and the aft torpedo room, and pics of the exterior products. I received an email today, and the release date for the remaining sections is now pushed back to mid March. So now what do I do?

?

GlennCauley · « **Reply #188 on:** 15 Dec , 2014, 15:01 »

Quote from: thomcmdchief on 15 Dec , 2014, 13:50

Wow, I haven't been here for quite awhile, but I'm still waiting for the final two interior sections, the engine room, diesel and electric I hope, and the aft torpedo room, and pics of the exterior products. I received an email today, and the release date for the remaining sections is now pushed back to mid March. So now what do I do? ?

The interior sets you want haven't been released yet, or they are just out of stock?
There's a hobby shop in Toronto, Ontario that has a lot of the interior sets in stock... and they do mail order.

Send me a PM if you want to go that route.

Otherwise if they are items not yet released... well... the waiting game goes on.

I recently sent CMK a message letting them know about Eduard's oversized 10,5cm deck gun, and expressed hope that they did NOT use the same inaccurately-scaled plans to make their own version of the gun.

dbauer · « **Reply #189 on:** 19 Dec , 2014, 15:44 »

:)Hi! Are these Pressure hull sections available? Would they be willing to ship to the US?
They would be nice to have!
Regards,
Dan

GlennCauley · « **Reply #190 on:** 19 Dec , 2014, 18:14 »

Hi Dan,

The hobby shop in Toronto, ON is "Wheels & Wings Hobbies" :

Website: www.wheelswingshobbies.com
Phone: 1-416-752-0071
E-mail (general inquiries): info@wheelswingshobbies.com

To put it mildly, they are an AMAZING shop! The last time I was there a few months ago, they had most of the pressure hull sections in stock.
I am fairly sure they would be willing to ship to the US.

Order with confidence, they are very good & pleasant to deal with.

Best of luck!
Glenn

Capt Kremin · « **Reply #191 on:** 02 Jan , 2015, 01:50 »

Hi all,

Tehnoart have produced 2 more accessory sets for the type I, titled U9 FITTINGS SET 2 and U9 FITTINGS SET 3
Set 2 comprises of:

1. PERISCOPE HEADS
2. HORIZONTAL RUDDERS SUPPORT FINS ( FORE AND AFT )
3. STERN DECK LIGHT
4. ANCHOR
5. CONNING TOWER AFT TWO SIDE AERIALS AND LAMP

Set 3 comprises of:

1. TWO BRASS 2 CM FLAK GUNS ( ZWILLING x2 )
2. BRASS BARREL FOR 3.7 CM AUTO FLAK , PLUS FLYWHEELS AND SIDE SIGHT FOR GUN SHIELD.

Regards
Jon

falo · « **Reply #192 on:** 07 Jan , 2015, 00:01 »

Hi,

just for the records (1/72 pe parts for the IXC conning tower):

http://www.ebay.de/itm/SRS-1410-Turm-Upgrade-Atzteile-fur-U-Boot-Type-IX-C-1-72-Revell-/291340940478?pt=Standmodelle_Bausätze&hash=item43d545f4be

Regards
falo

falo · « **Reply #193 on:** 06 Feb , 2015, 11:22 »

Hi Gentlemen,

the german journal "Modellfan" awarded MPM's inner sections of the IXC with the title "Model of the Year" (aftermarket parts category). Here are some pictures taken during the Toy Fairy Nuremberg 2015 from a member of IPMS Germany.

Please start with picture 026 (link below) and click "Nächtes Bild":
http://www.ipmsdeutschland.de/Ausstellungen/Nuernberg2015/Bilder_AT/MPM_Group_026.htm

"036" is the last picture in this matter.

Regards
Falo

Capt Kremin · « **Reply #194 on:** 08 Feb , 2015, 05:03 »

Hi all

you may want to look at pictures 41 through 44, as they show the new type IXC/40

Regards
Jon

GlennCauley · « **Reply #195 on:** 09 Feb , 2015, 12:07 »

Good catch!

http://www.ipmsdeutschland.de/Ausstellungen/Nuernberg2015/Bilder_AT/Revell_041.htm
http://www.ipmsdeutschland.de/Ausstellungen/Nuernberg2015/Bilder_AT/Revell_042.htm
http://www.ipmsdeutschland.de/Ausstellungen/Nuernberg2015/Bilder_AT/Revell_043.htm
http://www.ipmsdeutschland.de/Ausstellungen/Nuernberg2015/Bilder_AT/Revell_044.htm

Notice on the last pic #44, the double 37mm cannon!

dbauer · « **Reply #196 on:** 14 Feb , 2015, 15:49 »

Just right for a U-190 Glenn !

dbauer · « **Reply #197 on:** 14 Feb , 2015, 15:52 »

Also would be too difficult for the Life raft containers on the back of the wintergarten!

Regards,
Dan

Capt Kremin · « **Reply #198 on:** 28 Feb , 2015, 05:40 »

Hi all,

A small addition to CMKs figures range:
F72253 U-Boat U-IX – Crew in Command Section

Regards
Jon

falo · « **Reply #199 on:** 04 Apr , 2015, 03:02 »

Hi Gents,

again just for the records: new figures for the galley-section:

http://www.cmkkits.com/en/figures/u-boot-typ-ixc-crew-in-galley-3-fig/

Regards
falo

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