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Armament reference L/F
« on: 30 Dec , 2008, 16:37 »
With my project coming to the end soon / relative / id like to ask you guys for some help with references regarding type VIIC armament.
I do have some blury images of the 88mm gun, and the flak, but what im looking for is some in detail shots, or plans, or drawings of these weapons.
It is nice focus point on the model, and i dont wont to disapoint.
Id like to go full on with detailing the guns, but to achieve so i need some references.
Im sure such topic will help not only me, but lot of people out there thinking of making model of type VII.
Thats the kind of stuff im looking for:








Another thing im struggling with is the good clear shot of capstan.
I can not find reference on any of the pictures, due to fact it was retractable.
Thanks in advance guys.
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Re: Armament reference L/F
« Reply #1 on: 30 Dec , 2008, 18:00 »
   ...Siara...i can't help much with references on the "88"..It appears you already have more than myself. One point of a different interest, though...I've noticed in other photos, previously..and in the few on this subject.......The "cleats" on the deck, just below the railing...and there are a few more in other photos. I don't mean to cause you more work?....But they would look good!.... (So, whatta ya think?)
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« Reply #2 on: 31 Dec , 2008, 01:09 »
 ;D
Bill- It is in the plan for after the paint.
The reason im not gonna add it now is possible trouble masking the deck/hull color divide.
Similar as the railings, planned for when the paint is on. Even the net cutter is made in such way, so i can strip it, then reassemble it.
Thanks anyway for pointing it out.

Happy New Year Bill!
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Re: Armament reference L/F
« Reply #3 on: 31 Dec , 2008, 11:23 »
Hi guys,

On the image of U 95 below you can see the lead sight mounted on the starboard side. A sight could be mounted on either side. But often it isn't in VIIC photos. Presumably it was stored below and only mounted when the 88mm was in operation. I've seen early U 552 photos with a lead sight in place on BOTH sides.   


Here is an 88mm without the sights -


Other images -



This one of U 564 shows grease around the barrel to help it slide back after firing -


Are you depicting the 88mm in action or at rest? If it is in action, you need to unwind the lanyard wire and tompion from the end of the barrel. The tompion was stored in a round receptacle, while the wire was wound around two pegs at the front of the gun base. 

Early in U 552's career the gun was painted light grey, with all upper surfaces being black. This meant that the top half of the barrel, and the top half of the control arm and other parts were all black.

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Re: Armament reference L/F
« Reply #4 on: 31 Dec , 2008, 11:29 »
regarding the 88:

I've got some 70+ photos of a 8,8cm 5K C/35.
lots of detail shots (if You ever wanted to read the plaquards)

will need some time to post them on the gallery.........
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Re: Armament reference L/F
« Reply #5 on: 31 Dec , 2008, 11:57 »
Hi Ralf,

Those shots of the 88mm would be really useful to us all.

Happy New Year to all,

Dougie
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Re: Armament reference L/F
« Reply #6 on: 31 Dec , 2008, 13:04 »
Dougie- nice shots, thank you!
Rabapla- great news, when you get time please post em all in this topic.
How about some shots of flak gun?
And im still looking for the good picture of the capstan....this things are hard to come by. :-[
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« Reply #7 on: 31 Dec , 2008, 14:33 »
Hi Saira,

Oops, forgot about the capstan request. These are the best I can do -





Anyone got better shots?

Cheers,

Dougie
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« Reply #8 on: 31 Dec , 2008, 14:44 »
Thanks Dougie! Not the best shots in the world, but still better than nothing i suppose. ;D
As i thought- not the easiest thing to find. Ive been combing the web for months now, and not much luck. lets hope other users can contribute. Please.... ;)
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Re: Armament reference L/F
« Reply #9 on: 01 Jan , 2009, 08:24 »
hope You don't mind that I post them in the gallery under "research"?
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Re: Armament reference L/F
« Reply #10 on: 01 Jan , 2009, 09:46 »
Some very good pics.
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Re: Armament reference L/F
« Reply #11 on: 01 Jan , 2009, 11:53 »
Quote from: rabapla on 01 Jan , 2009, 08:24
hope You don't mind that I post them in the gallery under "research"?

Amazing, simply amazing....this is the stuff the dreams are made of. Big THANK YOU.

I dont suppose you have any pics of similar quality of the 20mm, and capstan- do you? ;D
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Re: Armament reference L/F
« Reply #12 on: 01 Jan , 2009, 13:02 »
.....In regards to the lead sight being on the starboard side...and sometimes on the port...This could easily have been an option ...[OR]...If the photo negative were turned upside down any features would be reversed when a print was made. "easy mistake". This is hardly noticable when the rest of the "bits" in the photo are symetrical..Hate to open this can of worms (a colonial expression in the states) but i've done it myself to alter photos that i'm working on..
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Re: Armament reference L/F
« Reply #13 on: 01 Jan , 2009, 13:12 »
The 88mm gun isnt simetrical. Both sides differ a lot from each other.
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Re: Armament reference L/F
« Reply #14 on: 01 Jan , 2009, 13:20 »
           ..Okay then...I stand corrected...But it does happen...
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« Reply #15 on: 01 Jan , 2009, 15:34 »
Hi Ralf,

Fantastic shots! I've seen a couple of shots of this gun before. Can I ask where the gun is at the moment. Is it in a museum? Also, do you know if it is a full scale replica of an 88mm or an original? Any information of the origin and location of this gun would be welcomed.

Thanks for posting so many images of this exhibit.

Cheers,

Dougie
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Re: Armament reference L/F
« Reply #16 on: 02 Jan , 2009, 00:16 »
Hi,

it's in the "Deutsches U-Boot Museum, Cuxhaven" again.
As far as I know it's original; but I don't know where it's from.
the red nipples are the grease spots btw.

Sorry, but no pictures of other usefull items, except some uniforms, life wests etc.

the gun sight was interchange able regarding the side. and it was stored below (just like the binocular from the UZO)

and:

happy new year to all of You!!

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Re: Armament reference L/F
« Reply #17 on: 06 Jan , 2009, 17:40 »
Hi Siara

Here is a plan for the 88 mm hope this helps  :)



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Re: Armament reference L/F
« Reply #18 on: 07 Jan , 2009, 01:13 »
Thanks Simon! The help i get from people from this forum is amazing. Where do you guys get all the stuff from? ;D
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« Reply #19 on: 07 Jan , 2009, 02:55 »
I have got almost all my stuff from the net. I have over 70 blueprints and over 370 pictures mostly of late VIIC & VIIC/41 :) I am main basing my VIIC/41 from U-1105 however, with all the gear like S-Ger
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Re: Armament reference L/F
« Reply #20 on: 07 Jan , 2009, 06:20 »
Don't you to have a picture of U-482?
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« Reply #21 on: 07 Jan , 2009, 10:38 »
No- but heres the U-481, similar boat from the same shipyard.
http://www.german-uboats.com/Uboat%20Photos/U481.jpg
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« Reply #22 on: 07 Jan , 2009, 14:05 »
I only just found this picture of U-481 this morning. It is a great view of the FuMB-29 on U-481

http://www.u-historia.com/uhistoria/tecnico/intecnico.htm
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« Reply #23 on: 22 Apr , 2009, 21:42 »
question 'ladds . the forward ammunition hatch for the deck gun  . does it go into the pressure hull like the torpedo hatch or is it self enclosed ? :-\
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« Reply #24 on: 23 Apr , 2009, 05:10 »
                ..Seperate container, much like a kettle..A.K.A ...ready to use ammo. I'll send you a pic. of the drawing..Look for E-Mail....Bill
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« Reply #25 on: 23 Apr , 2009, 06:41 »
thank's again bill . i am having trouble with my e mail set up but try anyway . thank you .!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :) :) :) :) :)
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« Reply #26 on: 25 Apr , 2009, 20:31 »
Have always wondered how the shells were stored...on end, packed tight? what about when not full, a lot of smashing about in there, like dropping steel bricks in a bell...
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« Reply #27 on: 26 Apr , 2009, 06:18 »
Quote from: rokket on 25 Apr , 2009, 20:31
Have always wondered how the shells were stored...on end, packed tight? what about when not full, a lot of smashing about in there, like dropping steel bricks in a bell...
            I have seen a video of the gun crew removing "rounds" from the container..They were stored "tip down"..I would think they'd have to have partitions to protect the shell and rim otherwise they would have a helluva mess after removing the first 3 or 4 rounds...Anybody know for sure ?  ???           ..BILL
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« Reply #28 on: 27 Apr , 2009, 01:01 »
Ahh, if you've seen tip down, then yes, probably wooden thingies with holes drilled in top end, maybe some "fingers" of wood between...hmmmm
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