TYPE IXC Tower armaments

[youboat]

Guys,

I have just bought this set for my Type 7/C41 and wondered if it would also be ok to use on my Type IXC kit too?

http://www.luckymodel.com/scale.aspx?item_no=GRM-MA-N005


Griffon Models 1/72 Standard Armament Scheme for WW II German U-Boote Type VII C/41

This 1/72 Metal Replacement set include
(1)Photoetched Fret * 3
(2)Turned Brass Barrel for 2cm MG C/38 * 4
(4)Turned Brass Barrel for 3.7cm Flak M42 * 1
(5) Auxiliary Material: Styrene Rod, Copper Wire

Suit for REVELL 05045 Kit

Detail Summary

(1)This Set Provides the Update/Reworking of Standard Armament Scheme (2 x Twin 2cm MG C/38 & 1 x 3.7cm Flak M42)
for REVELL 05045 1/72 WW II German U-Boote Type VII C/41 Kit
(2)Provide Turned Brass Barrel for 2cm MG C/38 & 3.7cm Flak M42
(3)Totally Rework 3.7cm Flak M42 with Rich Detail Added
(4)Provide 2 Types of Folding Gun Shield for 3.7cm Flak M42
(5)Provide 2 Option for Twin 2cm MG C/38
1. Twin 2cm MG C/38 with Gun Shield
2. Twin 2cm MG C/38 without Gun Shield
(6)20-Round Magazines for 2cm MG C/38 Included

[Capt Kremin]

Hi youboat,


The short answer is yes, the antiaircraft armaments of the type VIIs and the type IXs were the same equipment, the differences were with the deck armaments, obviously an 8.8cm vs 10.5, but also the type IX deck 3.7cm was not primarily designed as an antiaircraft gun and was an older design 3.7cm SKC-30U.


To complete the answer, there was a early 2cm (2cm C/30) which, due to being prone to jamming was replaced with 2cm C/38.
The 3.7cm M42 was superseded with the 3.7cm M43 (shorter range, higher rate of fire) late in the war. I have only seen pictures of the 3.7cm M43 on a single mount on type VIIs and both single and twin mount on type IXs. That doesn't mean that there were no 3.7cm M43 zwillings on type VIIs. Both the M42 and M43 used the M42U mount for both single and twin fitting.


Regards
Jon

[youboat]

Thanks Jon,
I guess they'll do for me.

I tried earlier to get on that shatton modelbau site but it wasn't easy to navigate, so went with this Griffon set instead.

Now to find some replacement metal periscopes for all my kits!

[uboatfan]

Hello youboat,

The Schatton Page is very easy...
It is just a table!

Here are the Schatton Parts for 1/72 U Boats:
To order just send him an E-Mail :modellbau.schatton@t-online.de

72150  deut. U-Boot Typ XXIII Periscop für Spezial Navy 4,50 €
72151  deut. späte G7e Torpedos, Dreh- und Ätzteile 9,50 €
72160  Umbauset für Revell U-Boot VIIC zum VIID-Minenleger. Hohle Resin-Epoxid Aufbau-Minensektion mit Minen. Einsteckbaren hohlen Minen-Schacht und 5 fotogeätzten durchbrochenen Schachtdeckeln 14,90 €
72161  5 in Epoxid-Resin gegossene German SMA Minen  10,90 €
72168  German Submarine Typ IX Periscope  9,50 €
72169  German Submarine Typ IX AA-gun-barrels;  4 x 2 cm und 1 x 3,7 cm  10,50 €
7238    dt. U-Boot Satz für Revell Typ VII-Antenne und gedrehtes 2 cm Flak 38 Rohr  3,00 €
7239    dt. 7 a Torpedos gedreht mit Fotoätzteilen für Revell Schnellboot und Revell VIIer U-Boot  9,50 €
7241    2 verschied. Alu-Sehrohre/Periscope für Revell U-Boot Typ VII  9,50 €
7247    8,8 cm C36 Kanonenrohr für Revell Typ VII U-Boot  4,80 €

Regards,

Uboatfan

[GlennCauley]

Good choice on the Griffon set... that is the set I have used too in the past for my VIIC's and also have a set for my IXC.   You won't be disappointed.
Contact Robert Schatton at that e-mail address above and discuss with him what you want.  He is a very nice gentleman.

If you have not already done so, you may want to check out my build site for U-505:   www.travel-net.com/~gcauley/U505
and other U-boats:  www.travel-net.com/~gcauley/Uboats

In the U-505 site, check out the "Plan & Prep" section, I have linked to many good articles especially one from here:  http://amp.rokket.biz/docs/u505_modifications_colours_insignia.pdf
Dougie has gone to great lengths to discuss what was on U-505 in terms of armament, etc.     It should help.

Best of luck, and let us know how you are doing with your build!

[Capt Kremin]

Hi all,


I can thoroughly recommend Robert's metal work and his resin parts for that matter, his M42 and C/38 barrels are awesome


Regards
Jon

[youboat]

Guys, thanks for your input thus far.

The Shattan modelbau items look good.

I hope you don't mind me prevailing upon you further for answers/clarification on the following -

I have 2 x Type 7C kits.
1 x Type 7C/41 kit.
1 x Type IXC kit.

I have already amassed a mix of WEM, Eduard & Griffon etch/barrel sets. but am now looking for replacement metal periscopes for each sub kit listed above.

Could you tell me which items I need to order to achieve this please?

I am in the UK and am on a strict budget, so postage/etc will need to be reasonable.

Many thanks in anticipation for your continued assistance/further comments.

[GlennCauley]

Schatton-Modellbau parts for 1/72 U-boats:

• Periscopes for 1/72 Type IXC:   72168

• Periscopes for 1/72 Type VII:    7241  (same for VIIC and VIIC/41)

Schatton was even able to provide me with periscopes & gun barrels for 1/144 Type VII boats!

• 2,0cm gun barrel:  1,1 Euro

• 3,7cm cannon barrel:  1,3 Euro

• 8,8cm deck gun barrel:   (not available at that time)

• alu drilled 2 different periscopes: 8,50 Euro/set

(I do not have the part numbers for the 1/144 parts, but just ask him about those.)

[Capt Kremin]

Hi Glenn and youboat,


The 1:144 barrels are new, must look into them. Glann, are they as good as the 1:72 items. The periscopes are part numbered 1442. The barrels are probably 1445,6 and 7. If you are building a 1:144 VIID then I recommend 1441 Revell Type VII-D-submarine mines and shafts, was €9.90. It is more than it says.


If you want to know pretty much everything that is available for both 1:72 and 1:144, then goto http://amp.rokket.biz/lib_uboats.shtml and download U-Boat & S-Boat Models & Accessories.pdf


Regards
Jon

[GlennCauley]

The 1:144 barrels are new, must look into them. Glann, are they as good as the 1:72 items. The periscopes are part numbered 1442. The barrels are probably 1445,6 and 7. If you are building a 1:144 VIID then I recommend 1441 Revell Type VII-D-submarine mines and shafts, was €9.90. It is more than it says.  If you want to know pretty much everything that is available for both 1:72 and 1:144, then goto http://amp.rokket.biz/lib_uboats.shtml and download U-Boat & S-Boat Models & Accessories.pdf

I have messaged Robert and asked him for part numbers, descriptions, quantities for all of those 1:144 items.   I have his VIID conversion set for 1:72 but not for 1:144.   For my 1:144 VIID, I have the Griffon set N144002.

I asked if the 1442 periscope set fits all the VII boats, as well as the IIB boat.   I hope so!

Thank for the link to that great accessories list... marvelous.

[youboat]

Hi guys,
Back again. Life gets in the way of a hobby now and then!

Right, so how does ordering from Schatton work? Is he ok with comms in English, or do I go via some translation site?
Also, how do I pay? Does he do something like paypal?

[Capt Kremin]

Hi youboat,


Just email in English with part numbers and descriptions from his website and ask for postage to your address, they will replay with n invoice.
I'm fairly sure I paid with Paypal last time.


Regards
Jon

[youboat]

Hi guys,
Well I tried to order from Schatton but no joy. Is he still operating?
After an initial email exchange I have heard nothing.

I emailed a list and he replied  -

"Thank you for your order.
I have all on stock, and can send tomorrow with the German Bundespost for plus 4,-- Euro to England.
In the parcel is a bill with IBAN and B IC-SWIFT Code  for a Europeen standard Bank transfer."

That's it.

[GlennCauley]

Hmmmm don't know what to say.   
I have dealt with Robert only a few times over the years, and had no trouble.
Maybe e-mail issues cropped up somehow (it does happen).   Keep trying... and from different addresses if you have different accounts.

[youboat]

Dunno what happened with Schatton, but the funds I set aside for his parts have now gone on a 1/350 Revell Tirpitz & Big Ed set instead.

Sorry Robert, but you lost out this time.

If anyone has successful dealings with Schatton in future, please let me know on here, or PM me.

[Capt Kremin]

Hi Youboat,


I could be wrong, but it reads to me like he has sent the order today along with the instruction of how to pay.


Regards
Jon

[youboat]

Hi CK - If anything actually turns up, then I'll obviously honour my debt and report back, but it's been a couple of weeks now and I have neither heard nor received anything.

It could simply be something lost in translation or meaning, but I did reply to his last email just to confirm his intentions and have heard nothing since.

[falo]

Hi youboat, hi Cap,


my experience whith Schatton Modellbau was always very good. Maybe the reason is the "German Bundespost" nicknamed by some of the concerned parties "Bummelpost" which means "sluggish". Sometimes they have there absences 


I would suggest to call Robert on the phone. The number is displayed on his website.


http://www.modellbau-schatton.privat.t-online.de


Regards
falo

[OldNoob]

Was just checking some of Shattan modelbau's products. beautifully detailed high quality stuff.
But coming from Germany to my location in the US, im sure could take up to two months depending on the type of shipping and what "mood" US customs is in.
It might be a model of a gun barrel  but some half awake customs agent here might label it as an actual gun barrel.

[youboat]

Hey guys,  guess what!

Just received an envelope from Germany with my order!

Oh me of little faith!

Apologies to Robert - blame the "Bummelpost"

Now all I have to do is work out how this IBAN thing works so that I can pay for the goods.

[Anakin]

Hi youboat.

I believe you are using same kind of european internet banking as me and Shatton in Germany.
Basicly you enter the IBAN number as a bank account number in money transfer to other EU country.
BIC is some kind of bank identification code or etc. It should be seen also when transfer to EU is selected.
You also might need the name and the address or the payment receiver.

http://www.business.hsbc.uk/en-gb/payments/clearing-and-foreign-currency-payments/iban-and-bic

this might be useful...

best regards,
Anakin

Now all I have to do is work out how this IBAN thing works so that I can pay for the goods.

[OldNoob]

[youboat]

oldnoob - love the picture!

Just been looking at this IBAN thing, and my bank tells me they'll charge me a £20 (29 euro) fee just for making the payment.

Does anyone know of a cheaper way to do this? I might just send a cash payment via registered post instead.
(The total order value is only 47.50 euro)

To make things even worse, I have made a mistake with my order. I ordered part 7268 (15 euro) instead of 71268 (9 euro) and have ended up with a Luftwaffe radar thing for an aircraft kit! Not Robert's fault - that was MY error.

[OldNoob]

Not sure how it works over there, but can you purchase a refillable visa or mastercard debit card, put the amount on it and then give them the debit card number.
http://www.mastercard.co.uk/prepaid-card.html

Or is there a provision for Paypal over there?
https://www.paypal.com/uk/home

Or you could mail them a "cashiers check" aka "banker's draft" aka "teller's check"  those are safer than sending actual cash.
https://www.help.barclays.co.uk/faq/payments/one-off-/bankers-draft.html

People in the US who don't have bank account (though very rare) often use a "Money Order" which they purchase from the US Postal organization then they send that. Its like cash but only indicated recipient can cash it.
https://www.usps.com/international/money-transfers.htm

UK money orders.
http://www.postoffice.co.uk/postal-orders

UK international money orders
http://www.postoffice.co.uk/international-payments

[youboat]

I have a paypal account but schatton modelbau do not list it as a payment method.

The IBAN method is outrageously expensive for the amount due.

[Roel]

oldnoob - love the picture!

Just been looking at this IBAN thing, and my bank tells me they'll charge me a £20 (29 euro) fee just for making the payment.

Does anyone know of a cheaper way to do this? I might just send a cash payment via registered post instead.
(The total order value is only 47.50 euro)

To make things even worse, I have made a mistake with my order. I ordered part 7268 (15 euro) instead of 71268 (9 euro) and have ended up with a Luftwaffe radar thing for an aircraft kit! Not Robert's fault - that was MY error.

You have a criminal bank.... maybe someone is willing to transfer the money for you that has an IBAN account paypalling to the inbetween person. Keep in mind that paypal also takes part of the money, but less.

[youboat]

Yes, I was thinking something similar. paypal to German paypal account holder, who could then pay Schatton directly on my behalf?

[Roel]

Yes, exactly that, or Dutch, French or Belgian. That is pretty much all the same.
From The Netherlands I do not pay any fee when I transfer funds in the Euro zone using IBAN. I have not paid fees when transferring money to Greece, France, Germany and Belgium, so I am pretty sure that will work

[youboat]

Guys, I managed to get a cheaper payment rate but not by much. This makes Schatton's products out of bounds for me, at least until he finds a more economic and convenient payment method.

I was charged approximately 30% of the initial invoice value by the bank, paypal, although not free, would have been much cheaper and more convenient.
Thanks for your help, and my apologies for going off-topic somewhat.