AMP - Accurate Model Parts
SEA => SUBS: Uboats => TYPE VII => Topic started by: RIP on 22 Dec , 2008, 04:50
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Hi,
I'm looking for any photo evidence for U-96. I've only found some pictures with conning tower and supply loading. Where can I find more?
There can be pictures with other U-boots with 93-98 number from the same yard too.
I'm very impressed by Siara's model, and will try to detail my boat nicely too.
Another things I'm looking for are a nice resolution technical drawings of VIIC u-boat.
I will get ordered Revell model + Eduard brass set + CMK resin deck details. I'm not sure about Yankee pressure hull - looks nice, but it's quite expensive... is there any alternative for this?
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To be honest- if i was making another boat i would scratch build the pressure hull myself. After all when the boat is completed the inside is not visible at all, unless you look at the right angle through the lumber holes, and with the torch in your hand. Anything like 88mm gun mount, the conning tower base, anchor mechanism is visible, but not much more. If you consider that gun mount on the YM piece is too low anyway- you dont get much for your money. Only my opinion, after using this prouct.
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RIP...For us "Revolutionary Colonials" here in the states, a "torch" is a flashlight...You wouldn't know that unless you had the pleasure of working with the "brits" in the past. It was a fond experience to find how I had butchered the english language. But take heed..build your own. Siara gives good advice..
Spend your money on somethig else more worthwhile ..cold beer comes to mind.....
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Cold beer right in my hand - I will use few cans to build pressure hull - it can be simple and nice looking. On this beercanhull I will try to build some datails under the deck.
My model will arrive in middle of January, so I have some time to decide.
How about some U-96 picture stuff - anybody can help?
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Check out Glenn Cauley's magnificent pressure hull:
http://www.travel-net.com/~gcauley/U673/index.htm (http://www.travel-net.com/~gcauley/U673/index.htm) (pressure hull button)
And the beer can idea works well too. You don't HAVE to go pyscho like Glenn, the bits that show are really just the bow an a bit of the stern.
As for U 96 pix, I got nothing, sorry. (That was my first choice boat too, but then went for an average one, more common!)
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....Or you can go psyco like Bill..Actually they save making extra bulkheads (I'm lazy). But in this case "size does matter" ! for you metric builders they're 355ml. (12 oz.) I also incorporated the revell bulkheads for keyed location. the cans work well with about .010 clearance when done..I hope this post okay..I haven't tried to attach pics. yet. I'm not that smart....
Bill in the U.S.A.
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Hi Bill! Yes, I forgot to sy the beer cans can be quite psycho too! It's a beaut p-hull! I dismember vaguely...you were the first on this i think? It's a nice fit, pity you have to drink the beer to get the cans... ;D
Pix worked and they look great!
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....A pity indeed, Wink..To my misfortune I had overestimated the usage on the p-hull and unwisely purchased a 30 pack of this beverage..A lesson learned ! ...And one worth repeating..
Cheers/Regards...Bill
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I like your line of thinking Bill. ;D
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I like your line of thinking Bill. ;D
Me too, I've allready started to collect some material for my p-hull ;)
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....IT'S NOT JUST FOR BREAKFAST ANYMORE, GUYS.... !
BUT DON'T OVERDO IT...18 OR 20 A DAY SHOULD BE ENOUGH FOR ANYONE.. !!
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Sadly, this doesnt work for bottles...I tried
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Hi,
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I've just get Revell model and Eduard brass. In few days there will be CMK resin and Schatton barells.
As I need deck and flood holes brass upgrade, my hull is still in the box.
My first goal is to make pressure hull tube, and here are the plans:
http://www.travel-net.com/~gcauley/U673/files/PressureHullPlans.pdf (http://www.travel-net.com/~gcauley/U673/files/PressureHullPlans.pdf)
I hope they are acurate anough... I've printed round profiles to make p-hull construction. I'm using PVC sheet, cardboard and PVA glue to make a hull frame (first section looks nice...). Next I will cover it with aluminium sheets.
There will be some pistures soon.
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Hi RIP
I just overlay my PH (Orange outline) and it looks good - not to say that my is more accurate. I base my on Anatomy of the Ship
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Lower bow angle change is visible on the u-boot plans I have too. I will try to make it with alu sheet.
I'm not sure about cross sections on this file I'm basing - there are straight horizontal areas on most of middle sections - is that OK?
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You are right, it this incorrect on the PDF. The HP was perfectly round. The best plans I have of the across sections is of the VIID (10 across sections for the VIID & 8 across sections for the VIIC) and the PH is round in every one of them.
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Here are the first photos of my model. For now it's just PH. Frame made from 2mm PVC I've started with port side on sheet of printed paper plans. Nexd day starboard side was glued in. PH frame staight and symetrical.
(http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/6017/dsc3252ah1.th.jpg) (http://img25.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc3252ah1.jpg)
(http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/6537/dsc3253di1.th.jpg) (http://img18.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc3253di1.jpg)
Next step - beercan covering. EU beercans unfortunately allmost fit to central part of PH - about 66-67mm diameter, My PH is 65mm so I need to cut them and overlap alu sheet on the bottom of PH. Some sandpaper was used to fix edges.
(http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/7955/dsc3256ru7.th.jpg) (http://img13.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc3256ru7.jpg)
PH is realy durable.
Now I need to attach bow and stern "caps" with torpedo tubes, make conning tower PH (after I get my modelbrass deck), fill PH with the Milliput and put all the details on PH.
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Good to see youre making progress RIP. ;)
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What look very good, RIP!!
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Nicely done, Piotr... And i can see your a connoisseur of beer with the many different brands..Beer can p-hulls rule.. !! .. Bill
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Very well made, keep on drinking, sorry I meant modeling
:D
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Looking good. Make sure you take a break or have coffee between p-hull materials acquisitions!
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Don
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Now THAT is one cool pressure hull! Looking good RIP!
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Mox - get thee to a PUN-atentiary. Great line!
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Don
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You are right, it this incorrect on the PDF. The HP was perfectly round. The best plans I have of the across sections is of the VIID (10 across sections for the VIID & 8 across sections for the VIIC) and the PH is round in every one of them.
Thanks for the vote of confidence, guys. ::)
I spent a fair amount of time making my scaled-down forms exactly from the plans in Anatomy of the U-boat book, using round sections as those plans indicated. But when I tried to put my PH inside the hull kit, it would not fit inside as the sides of the sections were too wide and it pressed the hull open so the top deck would not fit. As such I was forced to make some alterations to allow my PH to fit inside the thick plastic hull.
I know my PH is not exactly accurate as per published U-boat plans, but rather it is a close approximation that fits within the confines of the thick plastic kit hull. That meant making alterations from published plans. The plans do not take into account we are trying to adapt things to a plastic model kit; you have to take into account the thickness of the plastic material the hull is made of... and that Revell never made efforts to make internal dimensions accurate.
I had hoped my efforts would be appreciated as a way to make up a mock PH that people could use as a foundation for more detailing.
It was never my intent to make the PH a perfect replica, but rather it was my intent to make a general shape that would FIT.
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Hey Glenn, maybe you take comfort from me exactly following your ph-plan...
Cheers,
Jan
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Hey Glenn, maybe you take comfort from me exactly following your ph-plan...
Cheers,
Jan
Thanks, Jan ;)
I never said my PH was perfectly accurate... but it is close enough for my purposes.
AND it fits inside the kit hull.
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You are right Glenn - I suspected Your PH is fixed to fit Revell hull.
My fits... allmost ;) I have marked few places where PH needs to be fixed, I think there would be no more than hour to trim my PH.
My PH frame was about 0,5mm smaller to compensate beercan cover, but Revell hull is REALY thick... up to 3mm.
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You are right Glenn - I suspected Your PH is fixed to fit Revell hull.
My fits... allmost ;) I have marked few places where PH needs to be fixed, I think there would be no more than hour to trim my PH.
My PH frame was about 0,5mm smaller to compensate beercan cover, but Revell hull is REALY thick... up to 3mm.
I lost track of how many times I had to shave the section ribs to make my PH fit inside the kit hull w/o pushing it open. It was a long & laborious process. Such is why I published my PDF plans... I figured others might benefit from my pain! LOL
But yeh, it's only a rough approximation but close enough to build on.
Yeh, my thin plastic sheet is wafer-thin compared to beercan material... so things would need to be trimmed & reshaped accordingly.
In retrospect, I wish I had used heavier material that keeps its shape better.
At least our homemade attempts at a faux-PH are more properly shaped than the commercially-available resin set by Yankee Modelworks. Their center section is almost flat on top and no inner curves for the saddletanks! Waaaaaayyyyy differenent from what a real PH would look like. And besides, their piping doesn't line up from one section to the next. Oh well. :)
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Done - PH corrected and fits into plastic. For further builders i can say - build upper half (or upper 40%) from orginal plans, make lower half from Glenn's plans or just make sections ribs (excluding firs and lats one) 3-5mm thiner :)
Most of lower half of PH do no need to be covered - just first and last sections are visible by bottom flooding holes.
I would not provide "trimed" PH pics - looks terrible now ;)
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I cheated and built tube-like hulls for the pointy bow and stern, and just a curved top for the top midships. But Glenn is right, the model has VERY thick hull and you can waste a lot of time trying to make anything fir. My bow/stern p-hulls are actually rectangles, with the curved top and bottom, the only way to fit (and I over-cheated for extra clearance). To me, putting in super detailing on the p-hull is like making a Faberge egg, and then hiding it under a colander. When you look thru the tiny holes, even with a torch, you can barely see anything.
But it's wonderful there are so many different methods, all shared here, and that so many boats DO have p-hulls!
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wow ' i thought i first came up with some brand new idea with the beer can pressure hull . no dice . but its nice to see i am not the only one who thinks of u boats as i consume cold beers . i will see if i can buid upon the starting 12 oz can and come up with a full length hull ! back to the ice box ladds . :'(
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Von - parallel invention, mate...t's a human thing and sometimes humbling, but sometimes very rewarding..others think like we do!
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yes rokket " and what great thinkers we are ! ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)