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Title: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 06 Jul , 2008, 12:04
Hi all.
Im so happy with my soldering today i thought i share it with You all.
(http://img386.imageshack.us/img386/1035/railing4010jc8.jpg)

More pics, and full story here:
http://u-552.blogspot.com/

This is the part of the project where it can be either done or destroyed. Im glad im past it, to be honest it wasnt that bad with the right tools.

Hope You guys like her, and be kind please. ;)

Siara
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: wildspear on 06 Jul , 2008, 19:32
I think I can speak for many of us. No need to be kind when the work being shown is great. Awsome job and I hope you can share more pics with us and maybe a little how too on the soldering.
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: dougie47 on 07 Jul , 2008, 11:06
Hi Siara,

Thanks for sharing your model with us. You are making a brilliant job of your U 552 - I'm very impressed. Nice job of the railings too, as soldering can be tricky. Feel free to post more photos.

Keep up the good work!

Cheers,

Dougie
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 07 Jul , 2008, 11:44
Thanks for the warm welcome guys, much preciated!
Wintergarten was on the back of my mind from the day one of the project. Ever since i visited Winks U-557 page, and in the gallery there one guy made custom railings. I knew i had to make my own, but my experiencess with soldering iron were less than impressive.
I knew it is the hard part, and even Wink struggled with them. Knowing his skills, the job was even greater.
Than i thought theres no miracles on this world, and some people done em so why not me.
The key is to get the right gear for the job in hand.
I went and bought the Dremell blowtorch, along with Koki paste- now that stuff is brilliant. If You thinking about soldering anything for Your models- this is the daddy.
Its hard to get that paste in UK, and i had mine shipped from Poland, it is made in Japan though.
With paste, and dremell iron nothing is impossible, and im the true convert.
(http://img364.imageshack.us/img364/6117/railing3003fc2.jpg)
Heres what it looks like in detail, after initial sanding with high grit paper.

The dremell tool if You not used one yet, gives the opportunity for soldering either with fine tip, or torch- both are perfect for modeling.
Meanwhile im puting finishing touches to the main body of the CT, before ill line up the wintergarten, add some more detail to it / like brackets for winch, and flagpole and some brackets for line /
I have to make 4 arresting hooks on the port side of the top of CT, and 3 on the starboardside.
Stay tuned.

Siara
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: wildspear on 07 Jul , 2008, 14:03
Looking real good. Up close shows us how good of a job you did. Thanks for the pic and make sure you keep us up to date on your progress.
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 08 Jul , 2008, 01:47
The arresting hooks.
I made the test hook on the scrap bit of plastic.
(http://img53.imageshack.us/img53/3007/testzj6.jpg)

TBC...
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 08 Jul , 2008, 03:13
(http://img154.imageshack.us/img154/2979/hooks003hz1.th.jpg) (http://img154.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hooks003hz1.jpg)(http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/6998/hooks1001bt4.th.jpg) (http://img148.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hooks1001bt4.jpg)(http://img154.imageshack.us/img154/6130/hooks1002ac0.th.jpg) (http://img154.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hooks1002ac0.jpg)(http://img55.imageshack.us/img55/1613/hooks1004fc9.th.jpg) (http://img55.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hooks1004fc9.jpg)

TBC...
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 08 Jul , 2008, 13:55
Couple of wires made from 0,1mm wire.
(http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/757/cables002mw8.th.jpg) (http://img523.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cables002mw8.jpg)

Holes for wintergarten drilled.
(http://img363.imageshack.us/img363/6540/holesforwintergarten003qt3.th.jpg) (http://img363.imageshack.us/my.php?image=holesforwintergarten003qt3.jpg)

Now im planing to paint the insides of the CT, before i glue top part to the bottom in order to connect the railings.
(http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/926/paintplan0021wz6.th.jpg) (http://img253.imageshack.us/my.php?image=paintplan0021wz6.jpg)(http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/6585/paintplan0031pt2.th.jpg) (http://img150.imageshack.us/my.php?image=paintplan0031pt2.jpg)
TBC...
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: dougie47 on 08 Jul , 2008, 15:30
Hi Siara,

Nice one. You have the box underneath the voicetube just like in the photos of U 570 at -

http://www.uboatarchive.net/U-570Photographs.htm

Did you use these photos as a reference guide?

I also see the latch that holds open the tower hatch. A very nice addition!

Cheers,

Dougie


Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 08 Jul , 2008, 15:42
Thanks Dougie!
I used some of the pictures there, but i just find one which is interesting. Thanks for the heads up. ;)
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 08 Jul , 2008, 17:29
Its me again. Looking at the pictures at the site You recommended to me Dougie, i noticed this:
(http://img74.imageshack.us/img74/8587/u570photo4oy8.th.jpg) (http://img74.imageshack.us/my.php?image=u570photo4oy8.jpg)
Do You know of any other photos, perhaps from the different angle, of the apparatus?

Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: dougie47 on 09 Jul , 2008, 12:15
Hi Siara,

I'm not sure what that apparatus is. I have seen it in one other VII photo. The image resolution is terrible - only just enough to tell that the same apparatus was there and no more. Furthermore, I don't know which boat it is or even when it was taken.

The Paterson book on U 564 is excellent for tower details. Looking at the image of U 564 on page 109 this mystery apparatus isn't there. So U 564 didn't have it and U 570 did. U 564 and U 570 were build at the same yard as U 552 so it isn't clear whether U 552 would have had it. Maybe not?

If you look at photo 6 in the U 570 images, you will see a black cable running from the underside of the magnetic compass repeater. I presume this cable was in place on the underside of the repeater of all VIICs. I have seen it on U 552.

The black cable can be seen on the image of U 94 below -

(http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc118/dougie47/mag_cr_3_U94.jpg)

Question is: where did it go to? We may have an answer in the bottom image of page 25 of the Vom Original zum Modell book on the VIIC. If you look at the top left you
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 10 Jul , 2008, 02:14
Thanks Dougie- great pictures. :o

I made the box best i could:
(http://img58.imageshack.us/img58/7510/bbc2008ii7.jpg)

I rounded the top of airstacks to replicate early boat:
(http://img58.imageshack.us/img58/8876/obudowyventylatorow1001oz5.jpg)

TBC...
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 10 Jul , 2008, 13:29
I fixed the box to the CT, and addedd some cables. Inside of the CT is ready for primer, and painting.
(http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/1305/bbc3003xv2.jpg)
(http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/9514/bbc3005hi4.jpg)
 
CDN...
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 10 Jul , 2008, 17:12
Inside of the CT primed before painting.
Tamiya Fine Gray for sides and floor, White for scopes:
(http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/2871/primingct007uh3.jpg)
(http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/3269/primingct005hj2.jpg)
(http://img75.imageshack.us/img75/8131/primingct003ty3.jpg)
(http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/214/primingct006oq0.jpg)
 Few areas to sort out- nothing big...

TBC...
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 11 Jul , 2008, 13:50
First using the 80 grit sandpaper i scratched the woodgrain, and paint chiping:
(http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/5157/grainimit001nc5.jpg)
(http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/2126/grainimit004oa0.jpg)

...and painted the lower surfacess with revell black, thinned 1/8 with humbrol enamel thinner:
(http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/3857/preshadingthetower001mq8.jpg)
(http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/8409/preshadingthetower004hu0.jpg)
 
TBC...
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 12 Jul , 2008, 06:25
Kitchen salt applied in place of intended chiped paint:
(http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/3458/saltct003hl7.jpg)

First coat of WEM IJN Kure Gray. I used this paint instead of planned Schiffsbodenfarbe III, because it saved me mixing it with lighter colors to get it right to scale, and the Kure Gray still has desired green tinge anyway:
(http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/6749/firstpaint003dr3.jpg)
(http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/1852/firstpaint004xz9.jpg)

Second coat. Here you can see the scratches on timber showing nicely like wood grain:
(http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/600/secontcoat004ri1.jpg)
(http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/5819/secontcoat005xz5.jpg)

I sprayed the scopes, and hatch lid aswell:
(http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/4117/secontcoat003lq3.jpg)
(http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/920/firstcoat002sm5.jpg)

TBC...
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 12 Jul , 2008, 14:40
I applied 3 and 4 coat of paint, adding gradualy Helgrau 50, and Baltic Gray, and varnish.
Than the salt was removed:
(http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/3940/detaildesek002nu0.jpg)

Tomorrow ill wash the lot, and add some paint with brush.

TBC...
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Rokket on 12 Jul , 2008, 22:28
WOW!!! SOOO impressive! The level of detail is amazing, and your skill to do it - fantabulous! Keep up the amazing work, and keep posting pix!

Also, I must apologize for not responding earlier, a display glitch wasn't showing me any posts in general Modeling, otherwise I would have been praising your work sooner!
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 13 Jul , 2008, 08:27
Thanks Rokket!
Im glad You like it. ;)

Gloss acrylic varnish applied, followed by wash.
(http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/9973/weatheringct001kv2.jpg)
(http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/3959/weatheringct003ua3.jpg)
(http://img397.imageshack.us/img397/9681/weatheringct005do2.jpg)
(http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/848/weatheringct007vw6.jpg)
 Once proper dry ill polish it, add some chips, rusty streaks, and paint discoloration, and seal the lot with satin combination of Tamiya X 21, and X 22 varnish.

TBC...
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 13 Jul , 2008, 18:09
I finished painting the CT, had the good, long look at it, and washed tthe lot off. It turned out too dark for my liking, and the WEM enamels proved hard work.
I will start anew with Tamiya acrylics. ;D
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 15 Jul , 2008, 15:57
During the washing process i lost some delicate detail from peryscope stacks. So im making the new ones.
The only good thing is, the new ones will be ten times better than he old. 8)
Work in progress:
(http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/5514/peryskop23003oh8.jpg)

TBC...
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 16 Jul , 2008, 14:44
Cont. work in progress:
(http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/6241/peryskop27001uw0.jpg)

TBC...
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 18 Jul , 2008, 10:58
I made the plate under the main body of the scope. Sheet styrene, drilled, with wider holes on the bottom. After the glue set round the wires i sanded the bottom smooth, and top to required length of the bolts on the sheet of sandpaper 1500 grit.
(http://img379.imageshack.us/img379/8376/peryskop31tn9.jpg)

I received the delivery of the I.C.
It is the second cross they sent me- first dissapeared in post. Thanks to PZG they sent the replacement for free.
(http://img376.imageshack.us/img376/2807/cross002nm2.jpg)
Hope noone will take it badly, as it will be used for display purpose. It will be located on the plank.

CDN...
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: wildspear on 18 Jul , 2008, 12:28
Siara,

Your doing some great work. I'm blown away by the scratch work your doing.
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Rokket on 19 Jul , 2008, 02:57
Looking SOOOO good. And you're soo right about the replacement stuff - frustrating, but you will have an even sweeter loking boat becasue you've already built these before! IC looks great and is appropriate.
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 19 Jul , 2008, 04:17
Thanks so much guys! Your comments are much preciated. ;)
Im almost there restoring the scope to the former / maybe better glory /:
(http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/6633/reryscope31003wi2.jpg)
(http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/9750/reryscope31005ty2.jpg)
Still some more detail to be added before i have go at painting the beast again. ::)

TBC...
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Rokket on 19 Jul , 2008, 06:47
Wow! Nice mid section detail, you are doing BEAUTIFUL work!
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 19 Jul , 2008, 07:53
Thanks again Rokket!

Got the top rail curved:
(http://img368.imageshack.us/img368/1686/peryscope34004pr9.jpg)

TBC...
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Rokket on 19 Jul , 2008, 18:52
Your soldering is beautiful! That whole piece is very schweeeet!
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 20 Jul , 2008, 01:40
Thanks Rokket! I was dreading the soldering process, untill i got my hands on the Dremell soldering iron. Now everything is easy, and enjoyable.

I added the hatch latch:
(http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/7733/peryscope350021bm2.jpg)

Now im working on the compass mount / more soldering  ;) / , pics soon.

TBC...
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Rokket on 20 Jul , 2008, 07:08
The latch is key, and you've got much more detail than I did! Well done!  My soldering was painful, the worst forme was no flux (paste). The ony; available is a powder you mix with water, which pops and jimps as hard scab-like bits. I am used to greasey pastes, mighjt look at this japanese koki stuff. I would liek to condense your info into "soldering hints and post on the AMP website as Reference. You've done very, very well.
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 20 Jul , 2008, 07:15
Thank You Rokket! My soldering is the fruit of all hard work You, and others have put in oven the years trying to solder the bits for the U-boat, and i just read the reflections, and took apropriate action. The Koki paste is THE BEST YOU CAN GET FOR SOLDERING TINY BITS FOR YOUR MODELS!
Heres anther proof that the paste works wonders:

(http://img236.imageshack.us/img236/6276/peryscope36rz9.th.jpg) (http://img236.imageshack.us/my.php?image=peryscope36rz9.jpg)
(http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/7814/peryscope40002xf3.th.jpg) (http://img185.imageshack.us/my.php?image=peryscope40002xf3.jpg)
The loops were bent with pointed tweezers, and soldered close.

TBC... ;D
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: dougie47 on 20 Jul , 2008, 11:46
Hi Siara,

Great work as usual. I particularly like your mystery appartus and the wires under the compass repeaters. Great work also with the scratchbuilt attack periscope base. I see little details on your base that are just like on U 552. Nice job!

Cheers,

Dougie
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 20 Jul , 2008, 12:22
Thanks Dougie!

I primed the lot with Tamiya fine white, and sprayed the thin base coat of mix of (20% XF-18)+(20% XF-24)+(10% X-22)+(50% X-20A Thinner)
(http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/8409/firstcoattake2001xl1.th.jpg) (http://img440.imageshack.us/my.php?image=firstcoattake2001xl1.jpg)(http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/2561/firstcoattake210041az8.th.jpg) (http://img413.imageshack.us/my.php?image=firstcoattake210041az8.jpg)(http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/3743/firstcoattake22004vx8.th.jpg) (http://img232.imageshack.us/my.php?image=firstcoattake22004vx8.jpg)

TBC...
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 21 Jul , 2008, 02:03
Second coat of the same mix:
(http://img157.imageshack.us/img157/8261/firstcoattake23001lr0.th.jpg) (http://img157.imageshack.us/my.php?image=firstcoattake23001lr0.jpg)
(http://img157.imageshack.us/img157/3061/firstcoattake24001jk8.th.jpg) (http://img157.imageshack.us/my.php?image=firstcoattake24001jk8.jpg)

Picture taken straight after painting...

TBC...
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 21 Jul , 2008, 15:48
Coat number 3.
10% of XF-66 (light grey), and  10% more of X-22 gloss varnish added to the base mix:
(http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/1836/test1002xo5.th.jpg) (http://img231.imageshack.us/my.php?image=test1002xo5.jpg)

Next filters.

TBC...
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Rokket on 22 Jul , 2008, 01:56
beautiful!
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 22 Jul , 2008, 12:11
beautiful!
Thank You Rokket!
Im proud You like it. Take some going to get acknowledgement from the man behind U-557.  ;-)

I applied the Sim Ind. P240 panzer grey filter.
First coat over the whole inside of the tower, and second in crucial areas- seen under the arresting hooks.
(http://img396.imageshack.us/img396/4708/filters006py9.th.jpg) (http://img396.imageshack.us/my.php?image=filters006py9.jpg)

TBC...
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 22 Jul , 2008, 15:38
Mig Brown Wash:
(http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/1783/wash004du6.th.jpg) (http://img253.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wash004du6.jpg)
(http://img372.imageshack.us/img372/8093/wash001ze5.th.jpg) (http://img372.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wash001ze5.jpg)
(http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/7125/wash002hs8.th.jpg) (http://img249.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wash002hs8.jpg)

TBC...
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 23 Jul , 2008, 12:34
It looks like so at the moment:
(http://img387.imageshack.us/img387/2029/fading23006rb7.th.jpg) (http://img387.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fading23006rb7.jpg)
(http://img387.imageshack.us/img387/4785/fading23008jl3.th.jpg) (http://img387.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fading23008jl3.jpg)

Wash, filters, and delicate light grey fadeing.

TBC...
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 24 Jul , 2008, 12:39
Black wash where needed.
WEM matt black thinned with Mig wash thinner.
(http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/2429/fading24001wz8.th.jpg) (http://img120.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fading24001wz8.jpg)
(http://img105.imageshack.us/img105/4953/fading24002kk7.th.jpg) (http://img105.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fading24002kk7.jpg)

TBC...
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 25 Jul , 2008, 14:27
Paint chipping done using black, and brown enamels with addition of some graphite dust.
Rails, and footpegs treated to 5B Derwent pencil.
(http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/4319/weathering002op7.th.jpg) (http://img504.imageshack.us/my.php?image=weathering002op7.jpg)
(http://img154.imageshack.us/img154/2857/weathering1001pr6.th.jpg) (http://img154.imageshack.us/my.php?image=weathering1001pr6.jpg)
Have good weekend guys. ;)
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 26 Jul , 2008, 12:19
Wintergarten completed.
(http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/1535/loops003yr5.th.jpg) (http://img403.imageshack.us/my.php?image=loops003yr5.jpg)
(http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/9482/loops2002wj4.th.jpg) (http://img292.imageshack.us/my.php?image=loops2002wj4.jpg)
(http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/4034/loops3003jw4.th.jpg) (http://img403.imageshack.us/my.php?image=loops3003jw4.jpg)
(http://img61.imageshack.us/img61/4058/loops3004lv5.th.jpg) (http://img61.imageshack.us/my.php?image=loops3004lv5.jpg)
(http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/6352/loops4002va1.th.jpg) (http://img209.imageshack.us/my.php?image=loops4002va1.jpg)
(http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/3280/wintergarten006qg4.th.jpg) (http://img209.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wintergarten006qg4.jpg)
(http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/3180/wintergarten008hx4.th.jpg) (http://img169.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wintergarten008hx4.jpg)
(http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/2874/wintergarten003dc4.th.jpg) (http://img529.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wintergarten003dc4.jpg)
(http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/5538/wintergarten009gh8.th.jpg) (http://img529.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wintergarten009gh8.jpg)

TBC...
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Rokket on 27 Jul , 2008, 02:13
I love to see each new batch of pix...this is beautiful work!
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Rokket on 27 Jul , 2008, 02:15
I think because this thread is so big and we now have a brand new TYPE VII category,  for future ease of use/reference we'll have to move the topic to VII...does anyone see any negatives with this plan? (We can put a NEWS ITEM in for a week to redirect folks - this is an ADMIN problem, we created wth VII category a bit late...)
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: rabapla on 27 Jul , 2008, 04:12
awesome!

beautiful detail work, highlighted by excellent painting!

better than "museum quality"..................
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 27 Jul , 2008, 04:30
I think because this thread is so big and we now have a brand new TYPE VII category,  for future ease of use/reference we'll have to move the topic to VII...does anyone see any negatives with this plan? (We can put a NEWS ITEM in for a week to redirect folks - this is an ADMIN problem, we created wth VII category a bit late...)
No problem here.

Rabapla- thank you!

Edit:
(http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/8838/con2fc0.th.jpg) (http://img301.imageshack.us/my.php?image=con2fc0.jpg)

(http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/8011/wintergarten3005pq3.th.jpg) (http://img529.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wintergarten3005pq3.jpg)
(http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/3162/wintergarten3006uu8.th.jpg) (http://img148.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wintergarten3006uu8.jpg)
(http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/6959/wintergarten3002pv3.th.jpg) (http://img517.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wintergarten3002pv3.jpg)

TBC...
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 27 Jul , 2008, 07:36
(http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/729/44472996wx0.th.jpg) (http://img410.imageshack.us/my.php?image=44472996wx0.jpg)

(http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/8003/yframe003vw1.th.jpg) (http://img508.imageshack.us/my.php?image=yframe003vw1.jpg)
(http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/1838/yframe005pt7.th.jpg) (http://img508.imageshack.us/my.php?image=yframe005pt7.jpg)
(http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/1097/yframe006ct6.th.jpg) (http://img180.imageshack.us/my.php?image=yframe006ct6.jpg)
 ;)
TBC...
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 27 Jul , 2008, 09:09
Light conditions were good today, so i decided to show you all the whole thing.
Added some out of scale figures just for fun.
(http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/7303/thelot003rq4.th.jpg) (http://img244.imageshack.us/my.php?image=thelot003rq4.jpg)
(http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/7840/thelot004qm0.th.jpg) (http://img185.imageshack.us/my.php?image=thelot004qm0.jpg)
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 27 Jul , 2008, 14:52
(http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/5198/flagmount001uq7.th.jpg) (http://img178.imageshack.us/my.php?image=flagmount001uq7.jpg)
(http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/4955/flagmount003yz5.th.jpg) (http://img178.imageshack.us/my.php?image=flagmount003yz5.jpg)
(http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/3305/flagmount005gf4.th.jpg) (http://img292.imageshack.us/my.php?image=flagmount005gf4.jpg)
(http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/8519/flagmount006eq6.th.jpg) (http://img292.imageshack.us/my.php?image=flagmount006eq6.jpg)
(http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/5391/flagmount007fg6.th.jpg) (http://img292.imageshack.us/my.php?image=flagmount007fg6.jpg)

TBC...
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Rokket on 28 Jul , 2008, 05:41
A whole (beautiful) boat!
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 30 Jul , 2008, 13:24
A whole (beautiful) boat!
Thanks Rokket!

First impressions of the outside of the CT. Few areas in need of attention:
(http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/3022/kioskoriginalli2.th.jpg) (http://img377.imageshack.us/my.php?image=kioskoriginalli2.jpg)
(http://img361.imageshack.us/img361/8648/kioskyk6.th.jpg) (http://img361.imageshack.us/my.php?image=kioskyk6.jpg)
;-)
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: rabapla on 31 Jul , 2008, 00:56
so You already have added figures.......................

 ;D
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 31 Jul , 2008, 14:27
so You already have added figures.......................

 ;D

Are You talking about the top picture?  ;D  I like it!
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 01 Aug , 2008, 17:29
Filled all the handrail fixing holes, and the big isolator hole with miliput. Discarded the lights, and i made the recesses deeper, and wider.
(http://img397.imageshack.us/img397/7138/filling007ks1.th.jpg) (http://img397.imageshack.us/my.php?image=filling007ks1.jpg)

TBC...
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 02 Aug , 2008, 07:52
Isolator nest. 2,5mm copper tube, with 2mm styrene lining. Isolator itself will be made from turned wire, and glued after the painting.
(http://img352.imageshack.us/img352/8315/ctextdetail008wc4.th.jpg) (http://img352.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ctextdetail008wc4.jpg)
(http://img352.imageshack.us/img352/7781/detailoutside005fy0.th.jpg) (http://img352.imageshack.us/my.php?image=detailoutside005fy0.jpg)

Grilles back in place.
(http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/4522/detailoutside004az1.th.jpg) (http://img183.imageshack.us/my.php?image=detailoutside004az1.jpg)

Line bracket. 2 different Eduard PE were used for strength, and neet look.
(http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/5784/detailoutside008os2.th.jpg) (http://img98.imageshack.us/my.php?image=detailoutside008os2.jpg)
(http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/7740/detailoutside013of0.th.jpg) (http://img301.imageshack.us/my.php?image=detailoutside013of0.jpg)
(http://img365.imageshack.us/img365/9138/detailoutside012go5.th.jpg) (http://img365.imageshack.us/my.php?image=detailoutside012go5.jpg)

TBC...
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 03 Aug , 2008, 02:50
Tamiya white primer highlighted all the imperfections, which are being corrected.
(http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/6554/primedct001th0.th.jpg) (http://img171.imageshack.us/my.php?image=primedct001th0.jpg)
(http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/5682/primedct002or2.th.jpg) (http://img171.imageshack.us/my.php?image=primedct002or2.jpg)
(http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/438/primedct004ky3.th.jpg) (http://img301.imageshack.us/my.php?image=primedct004ky3.jpg)
(http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/3738/primedct003lw3.th.jpg) (http://img523.imageshack.us/my.php?image=primedct003lw3.jpg)

TBC...
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 03 Aug , 2008, 08:24
Lights:
(http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/1696/pozycyjne001bm7.th.jpg) (http://img178.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pozycyjne001bm7.jpg)
(http://img58.imageshack.us/img58/6488/pozycyjne1001nf3.th.jpg) (http://img58.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pozycyjne1001nf3.jpg)
(http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/9346/pozycyjne1003ex4.th.jpg) (http://img178.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pozycyjne1003ex4.jpg)
(http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/5007/pozycyjne1006oi8.th.jpg) (http://img509.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pozycyjne1006oi8.jpg)

The glass is made from cigarette lighters, and are not fixed in yet. Ill paint them silver on the back, and fix `em after the CT gets some paint on.

TBC...
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 06 Aug , 2008, 14:11
Filler roughly sanded, and Mr. Surfacer applied. I sanded the lot again, starting from grit 800, through 1200, and finished on 1500.
(http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/64/polerka001qz8.th.jpg) (http://img212.imageshack.us/my.php?image=polerka001qz8.jpg)
(http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/5462/polerka002zy5.th.jpg) (http://img212.imageshack.us/my.php?image=polerka002zy5.jpg)
(http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/7827/polerka003ce1.th.jpg) (http://img518.imageshack.us/my.php?image=polerka003ce1.jpg)

Now i will mark the rivet lines.
I think i will replicate what revell done, mostly because i dont know any better. The rivets are hard to see on any of the photographs i have, so if someone could confirm, if the revell rivets are correct i will be gratefull. ;)

TBC...
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: dougie47 on 07 Aug , 2008, 13:31
Hi Siara,

You're right about the rivets being hard to see in period photos. The real ones were much smaller than the Revell rivets. I'd guess that you'll need to add rivets that are the same size as the original Revell ones, just so they match the rest of your model?

Are you doing a weathered U 552? If so, I'd pay attention to the edges of the panel lines on the tower of 552. If you look at photos of the boat when it is weathered, you'll see rust forming along the edges of some of the panel lines. I've also seen rust forming in panel lines on the towers of other early B&V boats - U 556, U 566 and U 570 in particular.

Cheers,

Dougie 
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 07 Aug , 2008, 13:37
Thanks Dougie!
I will be making my own rivet lines from scratch, as there isnt any rivets left on my boat anymore. ;D
I didnt like what revell done with them, so i sanded the lot. I will be using the biggest wheel on the Trumpeter rivet maker.
I have lot of period pics of U-552, and i will carefully apply the rust streaks accordingly.
Thanks again.
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: dougie47 on 07 Aug , 2008, 15:34
Hi Siara,

Best of luck with the rivets. Just while we're on the subject of the tower, there is an object beside the forward insulator conduit on U 552 and some other VIICs. See on U 564 below -

(http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc118/dougie47/U564_insulator_thingy.jpg)

The insulator itself was painted white. Two wires went from the tip to either end of this object.  Then wires went from the object up the forward jumping wire above.

The red arrow points to the object in this photo of U 552 -

(http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc118/dougie47/U552_E14.jpg)

The green arrow points to the metal part directly under the air intake grill. Note the curve on this part (curving downwards).

Hope this helps.

Cheers,

Dougie

Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 07 Aug , 2008, 15:41
Superb picture Dougie!
I knew about the ledge under the vents, and the object near the insulator, but this shot shows it beautifully. I never seen that shot, and another thing it explains to me is the location of the saddle tanks vents. Thanks a bunch Dougie! ;D
Keep em coming please. You have got some lovely, unusual shots- i give You that.
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 07 Aug , 2008, 17:38
Rear isolators:
(http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/792/u55207ch4.th.jpg) (http://img366.imageshack.us/my.php?image=u55207ch4.jpg)
(http://img388.imageshack.us/img388/8442/izolatorytyl001wt6.th.jpg) (http://img388.imageshack.us/my.php?image=izolatorytyl001wt6.jpg)
(http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/1203/izolatorytyl003zf5.th.jpg) (http://img152.imageshack.us/my.php?image=izolatorytyl003zf5.jpg)
(http://img123.imageshack.us/img123/9196/izolatorytyl004lw6.th.jpg) (http://img123.imageshack.us/my.php?image=izolatorytyl004lw6.jpg)

TBC...
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: dougie47 on 08 Aug , 2008, 11:36
Hi Siara,

Nice work on the rear insulators. Looks like you have everything in hand.

The photo I posted of U 552 shows two oval shapes on the saddle tanks. I believe these were manhole inspection covers (the air vents being located under the deck). If you look at P88 and P89 of Paterson's U 564 book you'll see one of the covers removed. On the P89 image, you can actually see a crewman inside the bunker (having somehow squeezed through the manhole inspection hole!).

Whatever the purpose of these oval shapes was, you can find their position on the saddle tanks on page 2/3 of Westwood's Anatomy of the VII book. This photo is U 69, not U 99 as the caption suggests. The early VIIBs had 3 per side but the VIICs had 5 per side. But note the orientation was different: 3 of the ovals were perpendicular to the deck, 2 were parallel. 

Have a nice weekend.

Cheers,

Dougie
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 08 Aug , 2008, 14:57
Thanks for all your input Dougie! ;)

The isolators are now ready.

(http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/2433/izolatorytyl2002zx2.jpg)
(http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/8647/izolatorytyl4003ou3.jpg)
(http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/3663/izolatorytyl4004bx6.jpg)

(http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/4606/izolatorytyl5005cj1.jpg)
(http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/794/izolatorytyl5004og8.jpg)


(http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/3401/izolatorytyl3ff5.jpg)

TBC...
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 09 Aug , 2008, 08:40
Rivets:
(http://img236.imageshack.us/img236/2215/wheelbrackets001tw6.jpg)

...and the rest of the furnishings. Used combination of Eduard PE, and beer can.
(http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/6590/wheelbrackets003cp5.jpg)
(http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/5796/wheelbrackets004zt5.jpg)
(http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/6445/wheelbrackets002bx5.jpg)

TBC...
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 09 Aug , 2008, 17:31
(http://img123.imageshack.us/img123/8242/railings001ff4.jpg)
(http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/9164/railings003ot0.jpg)
(http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/4809/railings008wl7.jpg)
(http://img372.imageshack.us/img372/2033/railings009vd8.jpg)

I think it is ready for some paint now. Did i forget anything?  ;D

TBC...
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Rokket on 10 Aug , 2008, 01:47
almost ready for sea!
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: dougie47 on 10 Aug , 2008, 07:06
Hi Siara,

Very nice job, as usual. Just got the rear light to add, which was different on the very earliest B&V boats to many other VIICs. If you need photos just shout.

Your boat is REALLY taking very good shape now.

Cheers,

Dougie
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 10 Aug , 2008, 10:12
Very nice job, as usual. Just got the rear light to add, which was different on the very earliest B&V boats to many other VIICs.
Dougie

Does it look like so?
(http://img380.imageshack.us/img380/7986/u55207we4.jpg)
If you have detail shot of it it will be highly appreciated as always. I cant express how gratefull i am for your help.
Siara
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: dougie47 on 10 Aug , 2008, 10:44
Hi Siara,

No worries, mate. Always like to help if I can.

Yeah, your shot of U 552 shows the rear light I am talking about. The only image that might be of help is of U 553, from directly behind -

(http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc118/dougie47/rear_light_6_U553.jpg)

I can't recall where I got the image and can't unfortunately improve on the quality.

Another image of U 552, very similar to the one you posted -

(http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc118/dougie47/U552_G7.jpg)

Note that the tower railings, the top of the L-shaped isolators and the area where the tower meets the deck are all black.

Oh, and I very much like your tiny rivets.

Cheers,

Dougie
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 10 Aug , 2008, 10:53
Thanks Dougie. Ill start work on the light tonight. ;)
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: wildspear on 10 Aug , 2008, 11:42
Hey Siara,

Where did you get the tool you used for the rivets?
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 10 Aug , 2008, 11:53
Hey Siara,

Where did you get the tool you used for the rivets?


Here:
http://www.hannants.co.uk/search/?FULL=TU09910

Its out of stock now. Cheap, and effective. Recommended.
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: rabapla on 10 Aug , 2008, 12:47
 a guy from czechia used to produce similar stuff:

was called "rosie the riveter":

http://www.ipmsusa2.org/Reviews/Products/rosie-the-riveter/rosie-the-riveter.htm
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 11 Aug , 2008, 11:32
a guy from czechia used to produce similar stuff:

was called "rosie the riveter":

http://www.ipmsusa2.org/Reviews/Products/rosie-the-riveter/rosie-the-riveter.htm

Nice tools Rabapla. Thanks for the link.

I scratchbuilt new rear light. Im happy the way it turned out. Thanks Dougie!
(http://img119.imageshack.us/img119/3615/lampatylna002of3.jpg)
(http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/1287/lampatylna004ac2.jpg)

CT is ready for first coat of paint.

TBC...
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 14 Aug , 2008, 13:40
I have put the conning tower aside, and im preparing the hull for painting. I came accross the model of Glenn Buckner, and one thing got me  scratching my head. Look at the snap below:
(http://img374.imageshack.us/img374/5269/wirebyglennbucknernq9qo5.jpg)

Ive seen this wires on some models, and they are absent on others. Whats the catch? Did U-552 sport this feature?
 ???
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: dougie47 on 15 Aug , 2008, 11:37
Hi Siara,

I can't give you a definite answer on this. I've seen this feature on a number of early VIICs but can't see this area of a B&V boat. I think that the early VIICs had this wire and they were discontinued at some stage in the war. So if I had to guess I'd say U 552 probably had it. Best to add them, I think.

The location of where the wire enters the hull is incorrect in Westwood's Anatomy book. All photos show it entering the hull not on the hull casing but farther up on the pressure hull. I've knocked up a guide below -

(http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc118/dougie47/extra_doublers.jpg)

The purple arrow points to the spot.

Before I forget, have you added the 2 doublers (the strengthening strips) that were located behind the forward planes? The green arrow points to them. Neither of the doublers are on the Revell kit. I'm not sure these 2 doublers were quite as wide as the other doublers on the hull casing but it is hard to be sure. You can also see them on page 25 and page 27 of Steve Wiper's pictorial book. 

Last point. On the starboard side (and ONLY on the starboard side) the doubler that is above the 4 UWT discs does not extend all the way to the bottom torpedo door. The red arrow points to where it ends on VIICs. The Revell kit is erroneous in this respect.

These features can be seen (just) in the photo below -

(http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc118/dougie47/VIIC_hull_2.jpg)

Just shout if you need more clarification on thse issues.

Cheers,

Dougie
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 15 Aug , 2008, 11:51
Superb info Dougie!
Ill get to work on it this weekend. ;)
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 16 Aug , 2008, 18:24
All the welds were filled in.
(http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/2640/test002vw4.th.jpg) (http://img175.imageshack.us/my.php?image=test002vw4.jpg)

TBC...
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 17 Aug , 2008, 06:03
Sanding the hull:
(http://img104.imageshack.us/img104/3366/szlif003wt0.th.jpg) (http://img104.imageshack.us/my.php?image=szlif003wt0.jpg)(http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/9198/szlif002jk3.th.jpg) (http://img122.imageshack.us/my.php?image=szlif002jk3.jpg)(http://img352.imageshack.us/img352/7214/szlif001eb8.th.jpg) (http://img352.imageshack.us/my.php?image=szlif001eb8.jpg)(http://img110.imageshack.us/img110/7399/szlif004ju1.th.jpg) (http://img110.imageshack.us/my.php?image=szlif004ju1.jpg)(http://img110.imageshack.us/img110/1085/szlif005aw3.th.jpg) (http://img110.imageshack.us/my.php?image=szlif005aw3.jpg)

TBC... ::)
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: dougie47 on 17 Aug , 2008, 07:29
Hi Siara,

Thanks for keeping us updated on progress. Hull looks good - holes identical to the U 552 pattern!

I see you have the breakwaters fitted (parts 115 and 116). Would I be right in saying that you aren't fitting the wind deflector around the top of the tower (part 121)?

Also, are you fitting the net cutter? U 552 did have one at the very beginning. When it was removed, there were four triangle shapes (2 on either side) remaining at the EDGE of the deck, where they had formerly been attached to the netcutter.

On one of the early patrols (perhaps patrol 2?) U 552 had the following combination -

Netcutter - no
Breakwaters - yes
Wind deflector at top of tower - no

There are photos at this time which show that a crewman has been a bit overenthusiastic with a pot of black paint (probably black rather than very dark grey). (NB. There was a painting regulation specifying that all horizontal surfaces were to be painted black). The crewman painted the following black -

- entire magnetic compass fairing (thing at the bottom of the front of the tower)
- top surface of the navigation lights
- deck railings
- tower railings
- inside walls of the tower
- ALL horizontal surfaces of the 88mm
- a narrow strip at the very bottom of the tower (where it meets the deck)
- upper surface of the spray defector (halfway up the outside of the tower)
- the railing fitted on top of the spray deflector

The two railings on the outside of the tower walls remained light grey at this particular time. And there were no snorting bulls at this time also.

Quite a few of the above were common practice (thought painting the entire magnetic compass fairing black wasn't). Perhaps the overenthusiastic crewman went back to his barracks and painted the tops of everything there black too?   :)

Later, when the wind deflector was in place, he went one step further and painted the entire 88mm black.

Hope this helps come painting time.

Cheers,

Dougie




 
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 17 Aug , 2008, 07:42
Thanks Dougie!
I can not express how gratefull i am for all the help You providing me during this build.  ;)
Im depicting the boat during the second patrol, and at the time of shelling Icelandic trawler Reykjaborg on 10 march 1941.  http://www.uboat.net/allies/merchants/813.html

The flood holes are correct, because i used Your reference from PDF about U-boots flood patterns. ;)

I will add the brackets for the top net cutter, when all the sanding is completed. Im not doing the skirt around the top of coning tower.
As to the rest of the stuff, You just put my mind at rest, because everything You wrote about above is exactly what im planning.

Thanks again- You are enormous help to me Dougie.
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: dougie47 on 17 Aug , 2008, 10:54
Hi Siara,

Very welcome. I'll continue to help until your model sails off to the N Atlantic.

I can see one possible problem. Have a look at U 552's patrol history here -

http://ubootwaffe.net/

(Type in 552)

Note that the 1st sailing was from 13/02 to 15/02. This may have been a sortie to Heligoland to pick up equipment. Or they may have been on their first patrol, which was aborted due to a technical fault, and stopped in on Heligoland to get it resolved.

They left Heligoland on 18/02, on their 2nd SAILING. Now, I'd consider that this was their first real active patrol. Others may consider this their 2nd patrol.

To be clear on this, let us just refer to SAILINGS rather than patrol numbers. So let's call the period 18/02 to 16/03 their 2nd sailing, 07/04 to 06/05 their 3rd sailing, etc..

You want to depict the boat on 10/03/41, during the 2nd sailing. U 552 would surely have had a netcutter in place on that date. It is reputed that the order to remove the netcutter was placed on 1st March 1941. But U 552 was on her 2nd sailing on 01/03, not returning to base until 16/03. The first opportunity for the removal of the netcutter was between 16/03 and 07/04. It is pretty likely that this was removed during this period in dock.

Wink and I have written a pretty lengthy article on his U 557 build. It will appear on the reference section shortly. We talk a bit about netcutter/breakwater/wind deflector removal and fitting dates in the article. Here is a preview of one section of the article -

Net cutters (parts 111 to 114)
Two net cutters were present at the bow of the very earliest VIICs - one on the deck and the other below the waterline on the stem.  On 1st March 1941 the order remove the net cutters was issued.  As a result, most of the net cutters were removed in March and April 1941. 
However, the net cutters were not removed from all boats in this period.  For example, U 96 still had net cutters when arriving back from patrol on the 22nd May 1941.  Similarly, U 94 still had net cutters when returning from patrol on the 4th June 1941.  U 94 had been in port throughout March, and again for 11 days in April.  But there are a variety of reasons why the net cutters were not removed from U 94 during these two periods.  One reason may have been the necessity to get the boat back to sea as quickly as possible. 
Opinions on whether the lower net cutter was removed at the same time as the upper net cutter vary.  Some hold that the lower one may have been left in place (too difficult to remove cheaply and easily), while others hold the view that both would have been removed at the same time. 
Some or all of the earliest VIICs built at Germaniawerft (U 69 to U 72, and U 93 to U 98) had the lower net cutters when launched, but not the S-G.  Certainly this was the case with U 70.  Presumably the S-G device was fitted to U 70 and others when it became available.  Fitting the S-G may have meant removing the lower net cutter.

Breakwaters (parts 115 & 116)
The earliest VIICs all had breakwaters fitted to the top of the hull casing to protect the 88mm deck gun crews from waves.  It appears that the process of removing the breakwaters usually occurred during the April/May/June 1941 period.  Prior to this the breakwaters were generally present, while after this they were generally absent.
   A pattern of small, round free-flooding holes usually replaced the breakwaters.  This was intended to help the boat dive slightly faster, but any improvement must have been marginal.  Some boats, and indeed all of the late war VIICs and VIIC/41s, did not have any holes in this area at all. 

Wind deflector (parts 121 or 124)
Another modification was the wind deflector.  Fitted around the outside edge of the top of the tower, this flange was intended to block some of the wind and spray that hit the lookouts
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 17 Aug , 2008, 11:09
Confusing?- not at all. Actually i like the look of the top net cutter, and im glad i can add it to the boat. I gather from what i read in Your article, that U-552 on 10 march 1941- time of sinking of Reykjaborg was equipped with top net cutter, and SG, but no bottom cutter.
I like the sound of that, and i think this feature will add some detail to my boat. Aswell as being more pleasing to the eye, it is historically correct. Perfect. Thanks for Your time Dougie. You give me so much info, and much needed boost for the job in hand. Top man! ;D
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: dougie47 on 17 Aug , 2008, 12:36
Hi Siara,

Last point for today. Do you know the piece at the very front of the deck - the front of the net cutter goes directly onto the top of this piece? This piece has a hole through which a tow rope could be passed. Lets call the piece X.

From your pics I can see you will be scratchbuilding it. The photo of U 431 on the first few pages of Showell's U-Boats in Camera is a great guide for you. The caption date of the photo is wrong (it is 05/04/41) but the photo itself is brilliant.

Looking at plans and photos, the front of X should be farther forward - perhaps 3mm or so. The front of the netcutter should then be placed on TOP of the rear of X.

And yes, 10/03/41, U 552 I think had -

top cutter - yes
bottom cutter - no
S-G - yes

The bar in front of the S-G on the photo of U 551 (see photo below) was, I assume, merely a removable guard intended to protect the stem during the launch.

(http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc118/dougie47/U551_14sep40-1.jpg)

They surely wouldn't have placed a lower netcutter over an S-G.

Cheers,

Dougie
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 18 Aug , 2008, 14:51
Thanks Dougie! ;)

First in line of attack were the inspection hatches.
I used the PE from Modelbrass. After schaping the PE to the curvature of the tank i used the soldering iron to carefully sink the PE in plastic.
Sanded the edges smooth.

(http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/9799/uboattankvents2002cq9.jpg)
(http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/6696/uboattankvents1003ig1.jpg)
(http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/4917/uboattankvents1004xt7.jpg)

TBC....
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 20 Aug , 2008, 15:33
Work started on bullnose.
(http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/7899/bullnose002db5.jpg)
(http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/1274/bullnose005uo9.jpg)
(http://img388.imageshack.us/img388/7016/bullnose1001ja3.jpg)
(http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/8813/bullnose2001rd0.jpg)

Once dry i will fill it nicely, and sand to right shape.

TBC...
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: dougie47 on 24 Aug , 2008, 07:32
Hi Siara,

Nice work on the hatches and bullnose.

Cheers,

Dougie
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 24 Aug , 2008, 10:46
Thanks Dougie!

Bullnose completed, just the netcutter bracket to be fixed:
(http://img83.imageshack.us/img83/7550/bullnose3005tz5.th.jpg) (http://img83.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bullnose3005tz5.jpg)

More work done on repositioning the SG, and reshaping the anchor well:
(http://img389.imageshack.us/img389/2457/bullnose3002ua9.th.jpg) (http://img389.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bullnose3002ua9.jpg)
(http://img45.imageshack.us/img45/6489/bullnose3003zx0.th.jpg) (http://img45.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bullnose3003zx0.jpg)
(http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/4993/pa100024sa7dr3.th.jpg) (http://img366.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pa100024sa7dr3.jpg)
(http://img45.imageshack.us/img45/764/bullnose3004ye8.th.jpg) (http://img45.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bullnose3004ye8.jpg)
(http://img74.imageshack.us/img74/3060/gniazdokotwicyqb8.th.jpg) (http://img74.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gniazdokotwicyqb8.jpg)

TBC...
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 25 Aug , 2008, 10:43
Anchor:
(http://img390.imageshack.us/img390/226/anchor002ln4.th.jpg) (http://img390.imageshack.us/my.php?image=anchor002ln4.jpg)
(http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/1913/anchor006sz0.th.jpg) (http://img294.imageshack.us/my.php?image=anchor006sz0.jpg)
(http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/3658/anchor007vf7.th.jpg) (http://img294.imageshack.us/my.php?image=anchor007vf7.jpg)
(http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/2623/anchor10051nx3.th.jpg) (http://img377.imageshack.us/my.php?image=anchor10051nx3.jpg)

...and dry fitted:
(http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/9350/anchor2002sy8.th.jpg) (http://img367.imageshack.us/my.php?image=anchor2002sy8.jpg)

TBC...
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: wildspear on 25 Aug , 2008, 10:56
Great work! It was the work that you have been doing on your build that gave me the inspiration to take a slower and better approach to my build. I was going to enter my build in a contest in sept (by rushing the build, which I wasn
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 26 Aug , 2008, 11:00
Glad to hear it Wildspear! ;)
It feel so good when people say things like that. Makes all the work worth it.

Today i collected the nameplate:
(http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/2349/nameplate001pp5.th.jpg) (http://img230.imageshack.us/my.php?image=nameplate001pp5.jpg)
(http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/2152/nameplate002hv2.th.jpg) (http://img241.imageshack.us/my.php?image=nameplate002hv2.jpg)

I was planning the brass plate, but eventually turned to perspex, as the U-boats badge will provide bit of gold accent on the plank allready.
I think it looks mint.
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 30 Aug , 2008, 07:06
Weather was outstanding lately, so modelling came to the standstill.
Im dry fiting all the bits and bobs on the stand, and came up with something like so:
(http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/6766/stand008cl2.th.jpg) (http://img187.imageshack.us/my.php?image=stand008cl2.jpg)
(http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/4497/stand005jd0.th.jpg) (http://img254.imageshack.us/my.php?image=stand005jd0.jpg)
Obviously when all the painting is done i will remove the temporary timber, and fix themodel to the mahogany plank using proper brass finials.

I was raking my brains about the welds. Plan was to make them using tape, and filler technique, even came up with the tool to make the weld texture:
(http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/6007/weldmaker002tn5.th.jpg) (http://img507.imageshack.us/my.php?image=weldmaker002tn5.jpg)
...but thanks to my friend who recommended me this site my headache is history:
http://www.archertransfers.com/

They offer excellent transfers imitating welds, rivets, cloth stitching, vehicle markings, and many many more superb detailed products.
I ordered the set of welds.
Till the parcell arrive....in enjoing the weather. ;D
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Rokket on 30 Aug , 2008, 23:06
Your details and imagination are makign so many nice layers to your beautiful build. I also liek the transfers, interesting idea, site looks good - can you do a mini review of the product for us?
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 02 Sep , 2008, 02:37
Your details and imagination are makign so many nice layers to your beautiful build. I also liek the transfers, interesting idea, site looks good - can you do a mini review of the product for us?

Thanks for good words Rokket! Always highly appreciated.
When i get the decals through the post i will do full review- You can bank on that. It is new technique to me, and im curious as much as the next man. From what ive heard they look good.
After some debate on subsim forum i decided on some more extra details to the display. My friend Conus00 came up with the idea of adding the devil cap badge to balance the display.
Heres how it looks like in photoshop project:
(http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/2567/projektkt2.th.jpg) (http://img170.imageshack.us/my.php?image=projektkt2.jpg)
I just ordered one from E-bay. Whats Your view on that chaps? Does it look ok or not?

TBC...
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: dougie47 on 02 Sep , 2008, 10:51
Hi Siara,

Yeah, thumbs up from me. The devil adds balance.

Cheers,

Dougie
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 02 Sep , 2008, 11:34
Thanks Dougie. ;)

The transfers just arrived today / 2 days from USA  ;D / and i must say im impressed.
(http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/9674/glassbox004fq1.th.jpg) (http://img257.imageshack.us/my.php?image=glassbox004fq1.jpg)
(http://img352.imageshack.us/img352/3827/glassbox007hj6.th.jpg) (http://img352.imageshack.us/my.php?image=glassbox007hj6.jpg)

The glass tank is ready also:
(http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/5116/glassbox003id9.th.jpg) (http://img183.imageshack.us/my.php?image=glassbox003id9.jpg)

I must cut the timber to fit, and router the edges.

TBC...
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Rokket on 02 Sep , 2008, 14:59
good luck with the transfers, let us know...case and bits looking very nice!
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 05 Sep , 2008, 01:40
I finally find the shop stocking all the bits i always struggled to find in my area.
Especially it was hard finding the small diameter brass tubes.
(http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/5959/zakupy001gw9.th.jpg) (http://img517.imageshack.us/my.php?image=zakupy001gw9.jpg)

While there i got some extra supplys, some glue and debonder, and gloss varnish needed for fixing the Archer weld lines.
(http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/4489/zakupy004kj4.th.jpg) (http://img165.imageshack.us/my.php?image=zakupy004kj4.jpg)

TBC...
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 08 Sep , 2008, 12:13
The devils badge:
(http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/2476/diabelek002de0.th.jpg) (http://img168.imageshack.us/my.php?image=diabelek002de0.jpg)

I decided to use both badges only, and drop the cross from the display.
That way i get better balance.
(http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/4272/diabelek004hn0.th.jpg) (http://img168.imageshack.us/my.php?image=diabelek004hn0.jpg)

TBC...
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Rokket on 15 Sep , 2008, 05:37
Nice display touches
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: wildspear on 20 Sep , 2008, 09:42
Siara,

How did the transfers work out? I've been looking at those for my gato since I had to sand quite a bit of the rivets and weld lines while working on the build.
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 30 Sep , 2008, 12:09
Siara,

How did the transfers work out? I've been looking at those for my gato since I had to sand quite a bit of the rivets and weld lines while working on the build.

I havent tried them yet. I just returned from well deserved holiday.
Small update- new bettered plaque. This time without any errors.
(http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/6606/plaque002of2.th.jpg) (http://img186.imageshack.us/my.php?image=plaque002of2.jpg)(http://img186.imageshack.us/images/thpix.gif) (http://g.imageshack.us/thpix.php)
(http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/5858/plaque0051tt0.th.jpg) (http://img409.imageshack.us/my.php?image=plaque0051tt0.jpg)(http://img409.imageshack.us/images/thpix.gif) (http://g.imageshack.us/thpix.php)

TBC...
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Rokket on 01 Oct , 2008, 02:12
Plaque looks very nice. Hope you had a great holiday (and that the relaxing effects aren't wiped out a few days back...). Let us know about those transfers.
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 13 Nov , 2008, 12:13
I finished moving my stuff, and setting up the new work place:
(http://img384.imageshack.us/img384/1555/newsetup001yn1.jpg)

Work om the boat should commence weekend. ;D
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: wildspear on 13 Nov , 2008, 12:19
can't wait too see more progress shots.
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: dougie47 on 14 Nov , 2008, 12:20
Hi Siara,

Nice to see you online again. I hope all your models survived the move okay.

Very glad to see Topp's boat sailed to her new port in one piece.

Cheers,

Dougie
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 15 Nov , 2008, 07:58
Front dive planes:
(http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/9584/diveplanes001yv6.th.jpg) (http://img133.imageshack.us/my.php?image=diveplanes001yv6.jpg)(http://img133.imageshack.us/images/thpix.gif) (http://g.imageshack.us/thpix.php)
(http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/822/diveplanes002yh6.th.jpg) (http://img46.imageshack.us/my.php?image=diveplanes002yh6.jpg)(http://img46.imageshack.us/images/thpix.gif) (http://g.imageshack.us/thpix.php)
(http://img73.imageshack.us/img73/6592/diveplanes003ps5.th.jpg) (http://img73.imageshack.us/my.php?image=diveplanes003ps5.jpg)(http://img73.imageshack.us/images/thpix.gif) (http://g.imageshack.us/thpix.php)
(http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/7637/diveplanes005gl0.th.jpg) (http://img185.imageshack.us/my.php?image=diveplanes005gl0.jpg)(http://img185.imageshack.us/images/thpix.gif) (http://g.imageshack.us/thpix.php)
(http://img45.imageshack.us/img45/9079/diveplanes004ic5.th.jpg) (http://img45.imageshack.us/my.php?image=diveplanes004ic5.jpg)(http://img45.imageshack.us/images/thpix.gif) (http://g.imageshack.us/thpix.php)
(http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/4811/diveplanes006bx7.th.jpg) (http://img185.imageshack.us/my.php?image=diveplanes006bx7.jpg)(http://img185.imageshack.us/images/thpix.gif) (http://g.imageshack.us/thpix.php)
(http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/2876/diveplanes008jt1.th.jpg) (http://img504.imageshack.us/my.php?image=diveplanes008jt1.jpg)(http://img504.imageshack.us/images/thpix.gif) (http://g.imageshack.us/thpix.php)
(http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/3577/diveplanes009xt9.th.jpg) (http://img504.imageshack.us/my.php?image=diveplanes009xt9.jpg)(http://img504.imageshack.us/images/thpix.gif) (http://g.imageshack.us/thpix.php)

(http://img235.imageshack.us/img235/5121/wirelh2.th.jpg) (http://img235.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wirelh2.jpg)(http://img235.imageshack.us/images/thpix.gif) (http://g.imageshack.us/thpix.php)

TBC...
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Rokket on 15 Nov , 2008, 18:16
Wow, is your boat going to be able to really DIVE? Such nice work! But how will you shrink humans to be the crew? ;D
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 16 Nov , 2008, 02:51
Thanks Rokket! ;)
I like to upgrade the model, wherever it is possible, im not in rush to finish it. Things like that take time, but luck is on my side- i have plenty of it.
Hopefuly when i finish the boat it will be something i can look at with satisfaction, and pride.
I had build the models in the past, that after while annoyed me, knowing i could have done some things differently / better / but decided to finish the job quick.
I spose i matured slightly.... ;D
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Rokket on 16 Nov , 2008, 04:28
I think you've said it very well!  Too many times I have hit a tough patch and then tried to finish up just to be done. But you tend to know when you are taking shortcuts. You say to yourself "it's fine, I've done enough." But it keeps niggling at you.  And finally you rip the piece in question apart and do it again, better! Anyway, your build is magnificent! A joy to watch and I'm sure a source of joy when you exhibit the finished project.
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 16 Nov , 2008, 08:53
Finished detailing the bow planes:
(http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/4131/diveplanes1002tx5.th.jpg) (http://img201.imageshack.us/my.php?image=diveplanes1002tx5.jpg)(http://img201.imageshack.us/images/thpix.gif) (http://g.imageshack.us/thpix.php)
(http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/8640/diveplanes1004uk7.th.jpg) (http://img521.imageshack.us/my.php?image=diveplanes1004uk7.jpg)(http://img521.imageshack.us/images/thpix.gif) (http://g.imageshack.us/thpix.php)
(http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/6223/diveplanes1007yw4.th.jpg) (http://img230.imageshack.us/my.php?image=diveplanes1007yw4.jpg)(http://img230.imageshack.us/images/thpix.gif) (http://g.imageshack.us/thpix.php)
(http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/9598/diveplanes1009lf0.th.jpg) (http://img217.imageshack.us/my.php?image=diveplanes1009lf0.jpg)(http://img217.imageshack.us/images/thpix.gif) (http://g.imageshack.us/thpix.php)

 ;D
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 16 Nov , 2008, 14:13
Time to make the line connecting the planes with the pressure hull.

Two lengths of the copper tubing were cut:
(http://img111.imageshack.us/img111/8935/diveplanesstreatchline0dk6.th.jpg) (http://img111.imageshack.us/my.php?image=diveplanesstreatchline0dk6.jpg)(http://img111.imageshack.us/images/thpix.gif) (http://g.imageshack.us/thpix.php)

Small loops from copper wire:
(http://img368.imageshack.us/img368/5684/diveplanesstreatchline0yl2.th.jpg) (http://img368.imageshack.us/my.php?image=diveplanesstreatchline0yl2.jpg)(http://img368.imageshack.us/images/thpix.gif) (http://g.imageshack.us/thpix.php)

Dipped in Koki paste, and inserted into tubes. Heated with Dremel tool soldered neatly:
(http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/2651/diveplanesstreatchline0ou9.th.jpg) (http://img510.imageshack.us/my.php?image=diveplanesstreatchline0ou9.jpg)(http://img510.imageshack.us/images/thpix.gif) (http://g.imageshack.us/thpix.php)

Steel wire from sandwich bags looped, ready to be glued into holes drilled in the p. hull:
(http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/2292/diveplanesstreatchline1ip1.th.jpg) (http://img510.imageshack.us/my.php?image=diveplanesstreatchline1ip1.jpg)(http://img510.imageshack.us/images/thpix.gif) (http://g.imageshack.us/thpix.php)

TBC...
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Rokket on 17 Nov , 2008, 02:43
Nice work
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: rabapla on 17 Nov , 2008, 02:48
Siara,

don't know if it was asked before:
are You a dental technician? or watchmaker?

I'm simply IMPRESSED: :o
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 17 Nov , 2008, 02:54
Quote from: rokket
Nice work
Thank You!
Quote from: rabapla
are You a dental technician? or watchmaker?
Delivery driver.  ;D
Now im planning to make the line. I thought about using lycra by WEM, but it is to thin. It streatches nicely, bu it doesnt look like the steel line in RL. It probably is great to make antaena cables on the 1/72 aircrafts, but for what i need it is useless.
I will test the fishing line today, as it offers some streatch also.
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: rabapla on 17 Nov , 2008, 03:15
railroad stuff:

thread for HO- cranes. woven aspekt, no fuzzing (hope this is the right word...)
there is even wire rope in very small diameter: but You won't be able to tighten it.
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: GlennCauley on 17 Nov , 2008, 05:49
Check on my U-625 site... I used super-thin black nylon #000 Gutermann thread for that.  Glues nicely from what I remember.  Should be available at any fabric shop.  If you cannot find it, drop me an e-mail and I can mail you some.  I have a whole roll here that'll take 20 lifetimes to use up!

And where can I get this "Koki paste" stuff?    I've heard great things about it.
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: GlennCauley on 17 Nov , 2008, 06:52
I'm eager to see the continuation of the bowplane cable tensioner assembly.
I'm curious... the things you just made... are they the "self-adjusting tensioners"  that have a heavy spring inside? 
(They do not look like normal manually-adjustable cable tensioners like I made for U-625.)

Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 17 Nov , 2008, 12:34
I'm eager to see the continuation of the bowplane cable tensioner assembly.
I'm curious... the things you just made... are they the "self-adjusting tensioners"  that have a heavy spring inside? 
(They do not look like normal manually-adjustable cable tensioners like I made for U-625.)

Glenn- ive seen your tensioners on the U-625- the hook type on the conning tower. I could not get the reference regarding the bowplane tensioners assembly anywhere on the net, apart from few scetchy drawings, and one, or 2 fuzzy pictures- where to be honest with you all you can see is that the cable is there, but how it is all made is not clear.
I was guided by picture of the Glen Buckners boat:
(http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/3028/glenbucknersboatqc4.jpg)
I was trying to replicate what hes done there.
Am i right or wrong? Is there fotografic evidence how the part looked like?

Regarding the thread i just discovered the EZ line- aparently best thing for that purpose. Aircraft modellers use it for years, and the reviews are optimistic.
http://misc.kitreview.com/tools/ezlinereviewbg_1.htm

Koki paste. Now this is the dady if soldering is required. I got on it through my polish friends from PWM modeling forum. It is not easy to find in England, and i got mine shipped from stockist in Poland. It is made in Japan.
This is the stuff:
http://www.techgsm.at/Solder_paste_for_SMD_KOKI_40g,3937.html
Im sure you can find the stockist near you. Soldering never looked so easy. Combined with Dremel soldering iron produces amazing results- just look at my railings:
(http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/507/loops3003hu8.jpg)

I just love this forum. At last im in the company of somilarly minded people.
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: dougie47 on 17 Nov , 2008, 15:42
Hi guys,

We could do with better photos of the tensioner wire, that's for sure. One of the best shots of the wire is on page 27 of Wiper's pictorial.

The best shot I've seen of the connecting piece (connecting the wire to pressure hull) is on U 69 at the start of Westwood's Anatomy book. The piece is roughly triangular in shape. This photo shows U 69 before launching. The tensioner wire itself hadn't been added at this stage.

Siara, I see that some of your railing stanchions are thicker than the rest. This is correct, of course. But I'm impressed you got them right as most do all the stanchions the same thickness. Well done!

The WEM lycra is fantastic for rigging warships in really small scales. But yeah, it is way too thin for 72nd scale.

I like the look of the Guetermann stuff, Glenn. What diameter did you use?

Probably the hardest thing about the Revell kit is getting the insulators and jumping wires looking right. They are pesky little buggers. I remember trying to scratch build a set for the old Amati 72nd U 47. A very frustrating few hours, I may add!

Cheers,

Dougie
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: GlennCauley on 17 Nov , 2008, 18:35
Yup, I just looked at those pics... I have both books right here!  The mount for the hull end of that bowplane support cable looks similar to the type of triangular bracket on the tower railings. Triangular with an upper and lower plate.

Also of note on page 27 of the Warship Pictorial book... the rivet double-row along the forward edge of the bow all the way from the top to the bottom.  The Revell kit only has the curved double-row of rivets at the front top edge where the pattern curves around the tip of the bow... but is missing that it goes all the way down. That, and the "cleft" in the upper curved tip of the bow.  Time to get my file out.

On Westwood's book... first picture of U-69  (U-99)... look at the size/shape of the hatches at the top of the port saddletank. They look round and indented alot, just like Wink's model... not like the oval-shaped covers included in some PE sets.
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 18 Nov , 2008, 00:28
Quote from: GlennCauley
Yup, I just looked at those pics... I have both books right here!  The mount for the hull end of that bowplane support cable looks similar to the type of triangular bracket on the tower railings. Triangular with an upper and lower plate.
Thanks- i will make new brackets. Can you post the scan of the pic in mention for reference please- i dont own that book unfortunately.
Quote from: GlennCauley
Also of note on page 27 of the Warship Pictorial book... the rivet double-row along the forward edge of the bow all the way from the top to the bottom.  The Revell kit only has the curved double-row of rivets at the front top edge where the pattern curves around the tip of the bow... but is missing that it goes all the way down. That, and the "cleft" in the upper curved tip of the bow.  Time to get my file out.
I got that one figured out long ago.  ;D
Quote from: GlennCauley
On Westwood's book... first picture of U-69  (U-99)... look at the size/shape of the hatches at the top of the port saddletank. They look round and indented alot, just like Wink's model... not like the oval-shaped covers included in some PE sets.
Im happy with the way my hatches turned out. Looking at reference pictures of the real boats there probably is more than 1 design of the hatches out there. I came to the conclusion, that it depends of the yard where the boat was build. Some are oval with tightening nuts running round the edge, some are round with 3 nuts running vertical through the midle. ???

Fantastic topic type VII dont you think? ;)

BTW: That should cheer you all up:
(http://img376.imageshack.us/img376/7021/bookpq6.jpg)
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Rokket on 18 Nov , 2008, 23:49
EZ Line - I bought a test piece, it's interesting stuff, it glues with CA. I ended up with non-hairy thread, but I almost continued with EZ. It is stretchy and comes in some nice thin dia.

Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: dougie47 on 19 Nov , 2008, 11:44
Hi guys,

Ah, the inpection cover shape debate! I'd say Wink was definitely right to make his U 557 covers more round in shape. And yes, I'd agree that there was probably variances in the shape of the covers, with some rounder than others.

We know from the U 69 photos that the ones on this boat were oval (though they may have been close being round in shape). The reason is that you can see the different orientation of the covers. The front two, and the last one (closest the stern) were aligned perpedicular to the length of the boat. The 3rd and 4th holes from the front were aligned on the same orientation as the length of the boat. As we can tell there was orientation they must have been oval rather than round.

As to whether the U 69 ones were like the Modelbrass ones or Wink's model...probably closer to Wink's?

Cheers,

Dougie

 
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 20 Nov , 2008, 12:44
I decided to make the new brackets for the fasteners.

(http://img380.imageshack.us/img380/4425/bracket005wd3.th.jpg) (http://img380.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bracket005wd3.jpg)(http://img380.imageshack.us/images/thpix.gif) (http://g.imageshack.us/thpix.php)

1mm wire was soldered to the back of the brackets to give it strength when mounted:
(http://img380.imageshack.us/img380/2559/bracket006gl4.th.jpg) (http://img380.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bracket006gl4.jpg)(http://img380.imageshack.us/images/thpix.gif) (http://g.imageshack.us/thpix.php)

With the screw:
(http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/3707/bracket008wr8.th.jpg) (http://img267.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bracket008wr8.jpg)(http://img267.imageshack.us/images/thpix.gif) (http://g.imageshack.us/thpix.php)

Small hole was drilled in the right place:
(http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/9942/bracket010ub9.th.jpg) (http://img219.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bracket010ub9.jpg)(http://img219.imageshack.us/images/thpix.gif) (http://g.imageshack.us/thpix.php)

Glued in:
(http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/1742/bracket011ur4.th.jpg) (http://img367.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bracket011ur4.jpg)(http://img367.imageshack.us/images/thpix.gif) (http://g.imageshack.us/thpix.php)
(http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/5046/bracket015ms8.th.jpg) (http://img149.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bracket015ms8.jpg)(http://img149.imageshack.us/images/thpix.gif) (http://g.imageshack.us/thpix.php)

After it cured i applied slight pressure with hot soldering iron to sink the brackets in flush with the p. hull.

TBC...
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Rokket on 21 Nov , 2008, 01:32
EXCELLENT bracket, very crisp and real looking!
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 26 Nov , 2008, 15:09
Thanks Rokket. ;)

Unfortunately im running round in circles again. Not for the first time, and not the last. Thats the beauty of this build.  ;D

Saddle tanks vents. This is what ive made:
(http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/4990/primedhull2344eh5.th.jpg) (http://img211.imageshack.us/my.php?image=primedhull2344eh5.jpg)

...and this is what the vents should look like:
(http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/9302/tank1hl3.th.jpg) (http://img509.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tank1hl3.jpg)
(http://img353.imageshack.us/img353/9566/tankvent552vy4.th.jpg) (http://img353.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tankvent552vy4.jpg)

Vents gone, and filled in with Miliput:
(http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/6127/kratki003li3.th.jpg) (http://img520.imageshack.us/my.php?image=kratki003li3.jpg)

Green filler applied:
(http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/954/kratki004si0.th.jpg) (http://img504.imageshack.us/my.php?image=kratki004si0.jpg)

New vents. Not much different to what revell had in offer. Well....live and learn. :D
(http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/4339/kratki006cx4.th.jpg) (http://img407.imageshack.us/my.php?image=kratki006cx4.jpg)

TBC...
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Rokket on 27 Nov , 2008, 00:24
Ya, its always a tough choice about what to replace, and sometimes you find out the replacement isn't much different. But then, other times it is waaaay better. Overall, your efforts have been just right with outstanding results!
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 29 Nov , 2008, 11:26
Stern section.

Rudder and stern planes.
(http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/5628/ylnestery002gg4.th.jpg) (http://img78.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ylnestery002gg4.jpg)
(http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/4089/ylnestery004wp0.th.jpg) (http://img243.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ylnestery004wp0.jpg)
(http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/7135/ylnestery001bb6.th.jpg) (http://img183.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ylnestery001bb6.jpg)
(http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/5549/stery010zt3.th.jpg) (http://img118.imageshack.us/my.php?image=stery010zt3.jpg)
(http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/6568/stery002xa9.th.jpg) (http://img118.imageshack.us/my.php?image=stery002xa9.jpg)
(http://img395.imageshack.us/img395/1475/stery007kb4.th.jpg) (http://img395.imageshack.us/my.php?image=stery007kb4.jpg)
(http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/56/ylnestery003qc8.th.jpg) (http://img243.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ylnestery003qc8.jpg)
(http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/975/sterydryfit001jf9.th.jpg) (http://img243.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sterydryfit001jf9.jpg)
(http://img128.imageshack.us/img128/9216/sterydryfit002gn3.th.jpg) (http://img128.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sterydryfit002gn3.jpg)
(http://img128.imageshack.us/img128/3379/sterydryfit005ib0.th.jpg) (http://img128.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sterydryfit005ib0.jpg)

It is only dry fitted, now i will dismantle it, and sand the filler, add detail, welds and rivwts. Brass screws will complete the set up.

TBC...
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 30 Nov , 2008, 13:53
Some detail on the stern dive planes as seen on U-995.
(http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/6232/u9950435454as9.th.jpg) (http://img114.imageshack.us/my.php?image=u9950435454as9.jpg)
(http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/7229/uchwytystery002ey8.th.jpg) (http://img525.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uchwytystery002ey8.jpg)
(http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/6868/uchwytystery1003wf0.th.jpg) (http://img248.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uchwytystery1003wf0.jpg)

TBC...
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 01 Dec , 2008, 11:33
Minor modification- ive changed the little weld for the wire bracket, after closer look at the pictures of the U-995.
(http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/9184/uchwytystery2001by0.jpg)
I used the 0,2 mm copper wire, flettened by rolling, and super glued it to the plane.

TBC...
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: dougie47 on 01 Dec , 2008, 14:25
Hi Siara,

You're doing great work as always. Really coming along well. The wire bracket looks great too - just like on U 995.

The parts you've added to the planes are definitely there on U 995. No doubt about that, and it is very good that you noticed them (I hadn't!). However, U 995 is a bit of a nightmare. There are several features of the modern U 995 that aren't absolutely correct for VIICs. So we have to be very careful when using this boat as a reference.

After her service in the Norwegian Navy, U 995 was a bit of a mess. She didn't even have a second wintergarten at this time. The deck, for example, had to be completely rebuilt. When the boat was moved by a very large crane in 1972 to Laboe there were a few small pieces added to the hull. I can't make out what the pieces were but they weren't there when the boat was in the Kreigsmarine. The pieces may have been similar to the parts on the planes that you have added.

On the few photos I have seen of VIIC dive planes, the parts on U 995's dive planes weren't there. I can't see them on the image below of U 821. However, I haven't seen many images. Maybe other people have images where these parts are visible? Can anybody help?

(http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc118/dougie47/U821.jpg)

While we are on this area, the two red arrows point to parts that wrap around around the dive plane supports. They were on U 99 too. You can see them on the left image on page 25 of Steve Wiper's VII book. They both have a number of holes on the bottom surface.   

Cheers,

Dougie
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 04 Dec , 2008, 12:45
Thanks Dougie for your input.
I think i leave the brackets as they are, because it adds nice detail to planes, and we cant realy establish that U-552 didnt have them installed. My theory was, the brackets were used for fastening the planes when the boat was drydocked?
I cant imagine such small brackets giving advantage during lifting process.
This is one of the things about the U-boot build, that lives a lot of open windows for the modeller.

As to the supports from the picture- is it the same thing as on the picture of U-995? Perhaps the plane supports were bolted on?
There are some bolts visible on top of the supporting arm. Looks like it to me.

Im realy curious. Seems strange that with over 1000 boats build, there isnt one good picture of the stern planes. :-\
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: dougie47 on 04 Dec , 2008, 15:11
Hi Siara,

The image below is a poor scan of page 25 of Steve Wiper's Warship Pictorial 27 book on VIIs-

(http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc118/dougie47/VIIB_U99_8.jpg)

Could be a bolt. Does the blue arrow point to a bolt or a big rivet? I can't make it out too well.

The red arrows point to the parts that are also on U 825. They are quite near the prop blades.

The bright green arrow points to another similar part that was also on U 825. This one is on the front of the dive plane itself. Again note the position - directly behind the prop. Any ideas guys?

Yeah, it is very frustrating that we don't have decent close up shots of many areas of VIIs.  :(

Cheers,

Dougie
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 04 Dec , 2008, 15:16
Nice one Dougie! I will replicate it also. Thanks a lot for the picture. ;)
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 05 Dec , 2008, 15:55
(http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/444/42805277xi1.th.jpg) (http://img143.imageshack.us/my.php?image=42805277xi1.jpg)
(http://img396.imageshack.us/img396/8021/planessupports006zk6.th.jpg) (http://img396.imageshack.us/my.php?image=planessupports006zk6.jpg)
(http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/2568/planessupports008tz8.th.jpg) (http://img142.imageshack.us/my.php?image=planessupports008tz8.jpg)
(http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/1968/planessupports004rg7.th.jpg) (http://img142.imageshack.us/my.php?image=planessupports004rg7.jpg)
(http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/9636/planessupports003ix4.th.jpg) (http://img101.imageshack.us/my.php?image=planessupports003ix4.jpg)
(http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/4839/planessupports002qv6.th.jpg) (http://img101.imageshack.us/my.php?image=planessupports002qv6.jpg)

 ;D
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Rokket on 05 Dec , 2008, 16:11
Very nice, love the prop weathering and the PE additions
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 06 Dec , 2008, 05:48
Rivets:
(http://img58.imageshack.us/img58/6581/nity001kz9.jpg)
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 06 Dec , 2008, 09:01
Detailin rudder:
(http://img369.imageshack.us/img369/6307/listwyboczne001oj5.th.jpg) (http://img369.imageshack.us/my.php?image=listwyboczne001oj5.jpg)
(http://img55.imageshack.us/img55/1635/listwyboczne1006gp4.th.jpg) (http://img55.imageshack.us/my.php?image=listwyboczne1006gp4.jpg)

Addidtional surface detail before it is painted. Only welds remain:
(http://img55.imageshack.us/img55/6255/listwyboczne1003tk8.th.jpg) (http://img55.imageshack.us/my.php?image=listwyboczne1003tk8.jpg)
(http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/3377/listwyboczne002sw6.th.jpg) (http://img155.imageshack.us/my.php?image=listwyboczne002sw6.jpg)
(http://img55.imageshack.us/img55/9096/listwyboczne005fl7.th.jpg) (http://img55.imageshack.us/my.php?image=listwyboczne005fl7.jpg)
(http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/4894/listwyboczne007fk6.th.jpg) (http://img233.imageshack.us/my.php?image=listwyboczne007fk6.jpg)

TBC... ;D
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: dougie47 on 06 Dec , 2008, 11:50
Hi Siara,

Rivets look superb. Also love the new parts on the dive plane supports!

Before you get to the painting stage, do you know that the main drainage slot (the big one above the saddle tanks) was different lengths on either side? I've updated my free-flooding hole pattern article, which will be available soon. In it I show that the port one was longer than the starboard one. Sounds strange but once it is explained it becomes very obvious.

Would you mind posting shots of your model that show the free-flooding vents ahead of the saddle tanks (on both sides)? I'm guessing you've already fixed the starboard side.

Cheers,

Dougie
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 06 Dec , 2008, 12:05
Hi Dougie.
This is the starboard side:
(http://img154.imageshack.us/img154/7609/sideview003kw6.th.jpg) (http://img154.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sideview003kw6.jpg)

And port:
(http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/3650/sideview004qr5.th.jpg) (http://img254.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sideview004qr5.jpg)
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: dougie47 on 06 Dec , 2008, 13:52
Hi Siara,

I hope you don't mind me posting the following. You are obviously going super-accurate with your model and I am only trying to help. I apologise if it is a bit annoying when I point some things out. I myself get frustrated sometimes when researching the boats to high levels of accuracy. It just adds on more and more little things that need fixed on the kit!

On the starboard side the main slot should start directly behind vent 25 (vent 25 being the 25th vent back on the top row). I have pointed a green arrow -

(http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc118/dougie47/sideview003kw6.jpg)

Now here is the surprising thing. The main slot started at this same location no matter how many holes on the top row (some had 18 others 25). My estimate is that 15mm should be FILLED IN at the front end of the Revell main slot on the starboard side.

On the port side the main slot should start directly behind vent 21. The green arrow points - 

(http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc118/dougie47/sideview004qr5copy.jpg)

Most U-boats had 20 or 21 vents on the top row on the port side. The main slot on the port side always started just behind the postion of vent 21. My estimate is that 11mm should be DRILLED AWAY at the front end of the Revell main slot on port side. You've already filled some in so it is very nearly correct on your model.

It should be clearer when you read the updated article. But just in case you are painting before the article is online I thought I'd mention it now so you can take a look at U 552 photos. Please don't shoot the messenger!

Cheers,

Dougie
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 06 Dec , 2008, 14:05
Now i know what you mean:
(http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/415/9se8a1gq0.jpg)

Looks like im gonna have to make correction. The only problem its going to be the ribs. I can cut the slot to make it wider with no problem.
Im gonna have to come up with something. Thanks for pointing this out. Hope it isnt to late. ;D
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: dougie47 on 06 Dec , 2008, 14:10
Hi Siara,

Very welcome. Let us know how you get on.

Cheers,

Dougie
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 06 Dec , 2008, 14:13
Let us know how you get on.

I will. BTW-following your advice i got rid of the loops on the dive planes to make my model more historicaly accurate. It broke my heart to bin such nice detail, but i thought- what the heck.....Cheerio.
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: wildspear on 06 Dec , 2008, 16:18
This is some great reading. When (if  :-[ ) I finish  my Gato the next on the list is a U-boat.
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 07 Dec , 2008, 03:58
This is some great reading. When (if  :-[ ) I finish  my Gato the next on the list is a U-boat.

Good thinking Wildspear. Hope to see the WIP here, on AMP forum. ;)

I managed to drill the slot, and install the missing ribs. It took a while. ::)
(http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/1650/sideview34001ll9.jpg)
(http://img383.imageshack.us/img383/5404/sideview34002gx3.jpg)

Hope it is right now.
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: dougie47 on 07 Dec , 2008, 06:05
Hi Siara,

Excellent, looks perfect now. Sorry to have caused more work for you.  :)

Taking the loops off the dive planes must have been difficult for you. I've looked again and I think the brackets and other bits were added before U 995's move to Laboe. I'm guessing the other bits were removed...and they forgot to remove the dive plane brackets.

They also forgot to put the Balkongerat back on. It was there during the initial phase of the boat's move to Laboe in late 1971. But in March 1972, when the boat was postioned at Laboe, it was missing. Where did the Balkongerat go? It is a bit big to lose!

There are quite a few features of U 995 that aren't right. The exhaust outlet shroud that was put on during the restoration was an early VIIC style - U 995 never had it. Then there are some small groups of vents on the casing above the saddle tanks. They weren't there when the boat was moved to Laboe and didn't feature on the wartime U 995. There are now only 3 holes near the bow (well above the torpedo doors) rather than the correct 12 the boat had in 1972. And some sort of triangular support has appeared on the deck right next to the bow. Another similar one is on the deck next to the stern.

In recent years they have closed off all of the vents around the torpedo doors. This is likely to help protect the boat from corrosion. But it is a shame - the bow just doesn't look right.

Cheers,

Dougie

Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 07 Dec , 2008, 06:17
Hi Siara,
Excellent, looks perfect now.

Thanks Dougie. ;D
You right- in total the U-995 looks bit sad, and doesnt represent much in reference material. Im just glad it is there at all, as the only surviving / whole / type VII in the world.

BTW: Whats happening to the Birkenhead boat? Any news when the boat exhibition will open? Even tho it is now cut to 5 piecess id still like to visit it. I never had the chance to see the U-boat in RL, the only time i vent to Liverpool the boat was in the cutting process. :'(
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: dougie47 on 07 Dec , 2008, 07:15
Hi Siara,

Not sure about the Liverpool boat. It will be good to see it whenever it is open to the public. At least U 995 is in one piece. It is a dreadful shame the U 534 was cut up. :'(

Cheers,

Dougie
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 14 Dec , 2008, 15:27
Started work at 7 in the morning, and finished sanding, and riveting the bow at 22.18. :D
I get funny looks from my wife now. ;D

(http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/3196/rivets23005oe8.jpg)

Good thing is i have the whole bow ready for doublers now.

TBC...
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Rokket on 16 Dec , 2008, 00:12
Looking good! Don't worry about the funny looks from the wife. They can be strange creatures
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: rabapla on 16 Dec , 2008, 03:11
well, not much funnier than folks running around in T-shirts with "I like u-boats" written on it...............
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: billp51d on 16 Dec , 2008, 07:01
   WINK ...THAT LAST REMARK SOUNDS A LITTLE BIT ENVIOUS TO ME..
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: billp51d on 16 Dec , 2008, 09:26
Dougie...Is lengthening the slot above the saddle tank pretty much needed on all boats, or just noted on u-552 and that batch in particular.. ?
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 16 Dec , 2008, 12:00
Continuing with the doublers:
(http://img385.imageshack.us/img385/2961/bowdoublers001hm6.th.jpg) (http://img385.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bowdoublers001hm6.jpg)
(http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/5015/bowdoublers005yi9.th.jpg) (http://img72.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bowdoublers005yi9.jpg)
(http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/7945/bowdoublers006da1.th.jpg) (http://img72.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bowdoublers006da1.jpg)
(http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/9229/bowdoublers012yv3.th.jpg) (http://img72.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bowdoublers012yv3.jpg)
(http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/6476/referencepicck6.th.jpg) (http://img176.imageshack.us/my.php?image=referencepicck6.jpg)

TBC....
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: dougie47 on 16 Dec , 2008, 13:44
Hi Siara,

Love the doublers, they look great.

Bill, the lengthening of the slot on one side and shortening on the other side needs to be done for ANY VIIC, regardless of batch or number. I'll cover this in more detail in my updated Type VIIC free-flooding vent patterns article. The updated pdf will be available soon...but we're tending to Type II PE business first.

Cheers,

Dougie
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 17 Dec , 2008, 15:19
In order to make the bow planes move in the dependent fashion i produced the 1mm brass rod:
(http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/9771/walsterow006vc2.th.jpg) (http://img153.imageshack.us/my.php?image=walsterow006vc2.jpg)

(http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/9626/walsterow005lt5.th.jpg) (http://img367.imageshack.us/my.php?image=walsterow005lt5.jpg)

(http://img57.imageshack.us/img57/8951/walsterow004oo4.th.jpg) (http://img57.imageshack.us/my.php?image=walsterow004oo4.jpg)

TBC...
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Rokket on 18 Dec , 2008, 01:09
Are you building a bunker and yard crew, too?
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 18 Dec , 2008, 01:33
Are you building a bunker and yard crew, too?
Maybe one day- my place is not big enough for such project at the moment.  :-)
I will have crew manning the 88mm gun, and watch scentry on conning tower deck.
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 18 Dec , 2008, 03:48
The rigging stuff just arrived, and im very impressed.
It is exactly what i was looking for. Size ranges from 0,18mm- 0,6mm in 10m lengths.
(http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/3383/riggingcord001yf1.th.jpg) (http://img185.imageshack.us/my.php?image=riggingcord001yf1.jpg)
(http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/5892/riggingcord002wg5.th.jpg) (http://img185.imageshack.us/my.php?image=riggingcord002wg5.jpg)
(http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/2176/riggingcord003ar2.th.jpg) (http://img178.imageshack.us/my.php?image=riggingcord003ar2.jpg)

Bought at the Modellingtimbers internet shop for nautical modellers.

Short description:
"Egyptian cotton is noted through out the world as one of the finest cottons available. We are proud to be able to offer our customers this fine material for modelling purposes. All the following threads are 100% Egyptian cotton and are unbleached  natural colour should you wish to dye them. The material has very low lint characteristics with a unique linen finish.

This material is over 30 years old and it can never be produced again. It's quality has to be seen to be believed. Made in Lancashire this material is renowned for its quality and was long thought to have disappeared, luckily the company that supplies us has found this treasure hiding in there stock room. Stock they did not even know they had it's so long since anybody has seen it! To that end we have now bought all the stock so as to be able to share this with fellow modellers."
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Rokket on 18 Dec , 2008, 03:56
Very nice stuff, it's not "hairy" (beeswax will fix hairs). The rigging is always a pain (right material, then building it) but the end effect is great. Anxious to see how you use it, a good lesson I'm sure for others! I hope you have a becks Beer or champagne or similar read for the launching!
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 20 Dec , 2008, 14:47
Time for weldlines.
I didnt use the Archer transfers, due to the complex curvature of the hull. Instead i went down the path of tried, and tested masking, and filling technique.
To my eye it is the best, and quickest method. After sanding it will be barely visible against the light, when painted- spot on.
(http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/2537/weldsfinal001zm9.th.jpg) (http://img301.imageshack.us/my.php?image=weldsfinal001zm9.jpg)
(http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/3567/weldsfinal003ky9.th.jpg) (http://img120.imageshack.us/my.php?image=weldsfinal003ky9.jpg)
(http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/8176/weldsfinal004ag2.th.jpg) (http://img120.imageshack.us/my.php?image=weldsfinal004ag2.jpg)
(http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/4986/weldsfinal005ek1.th.jpg) (http://img132.imageshack.us/my.php?image=weldsfinal005ek1.jpg)

TBC...
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Rokket on 20 Dec , 2008, 16:35
Being a huge fa of this method myself, I think you're making the best choice! Looking good!
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 20 Dec , 2008, 16:54
Thanks Rokket- your model was the inspiration. ;)

After studying the pictures time, and time again i spoted small part of the bow, that isnt shown on any plans i have, and never been replicated on the model before.
Heres few pics of the part, and quick mock up i created of how i see it. Does anyone know what that actualy is?
Is it part of the GHG, and if so- was it present on U-552?
Dougie- Blohm & Voss yard needs you. ;D

(http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/7899/pa100024sa7up4.jpg)
(http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/3254/vii3lv1.jpg)
(http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/4938/planbowjd2.jpg)

Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: dougie47 on 21 Dec , 2008, 07:29
Hi Siara,

I haven't established what that triangular part was. Nor have I figured out how many boats had it. I've checked and it looks like it is there on a photo of U 559. So I'd fit the part, whatever it is.

Best of luck with it.

Cheers,

Dougie
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 21 Dec , 2008, 07:59
Thanks Dougie. Im gonna have to improvise.
Ill do it the best i could.

The thin strip around the anchor well.
I used thin copper wire, sanded on both sides flat.
(http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/479/anchorstrip002ih0.th.jpg) (http://img211.imageshack.us/my.php?image=anchorstrip002ih0.jpg)
(http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/5667/anchorstrip003ik1.th.jpg) (http://img81.imageshack.us/my.php?image=anchorstrip003ik1.jpg)
(http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/2687/anchorstrip004fh1.th.jpg) (http://img81.imageshack.us/my.php?image=anchorstrip004fh1.jpg)

TBC...
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 21 Dec , 2008, 16:49
(http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/5944/ghgcd001qc6.th.jpg) (http://img201.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ghgcd001qc6.jpg)
(http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/1572/ghgcd002hv2.th.jpg) (http://img201.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ghgcd002hv2.jpg)
(http://img238.imageshack.us/img238/4017/ghgcd003hf7.th.jpg) (http://img238.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ghgcd003hf7.jpg)
(http://img238.imageshack.us/img238/7881/ghgcd005vv5.th.jpg) (http://img238.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ghgcd005vv5.jpg)
(http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/4430/ghgcd004al4.th.jpg) (http://img114.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ghgcd004al4.jpg)

 ;D
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Rokket on 22 Dec , 2008, 03:20
It's damn frustrating to be i this situation - discover a new angle/part and not have full info. I've never noticed it before!
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 23 Dec , 2008, 16:01
It's damn frustrating to be i this situation - discover a new angle/part and not have full info. I've never noticed it before!
You right- like this little detail here:
(http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/7375/u991gl2.th.jpg) (http://img181.imageshack.us/my.php?image=u991gl2.jpg)
(http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/6362/unknown11ic3.th.jpg) (http://img141.imageshack.us/my.php?image=unknown11ic3.jpg)
(http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/6208/plumbing0041mp5.th.jpg) (http://img514.imageshack.us/my.php?image=plumbing0041mp5.jpg)
(http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/4957/plumbing007qk1.th.jpg) (http://img209.imageshack.us/my.php?image=plumbing007qk1.jpg)
(http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/8061/plumbing0061oa7.th.jpg) (http://img377.imageshack.us/my.php?image=plumbing0061oa7.jpg)

Next step- deck fixings.

TBC...
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 24 Dec , 2008, 09:37
Deck furnishings.
First line of attack- bollards.
Bollards in stowed possition:
(http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/556/experimentqa0.th.jpg) (http://img241.imageshack.us/my.php?image=experimentqa0.jpg)

...and raised:
(http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/4867/3454667vt2.th.jpg) (http://img241.imageshack.us/my.php?image=3454667vt2.jpg)

I have 4 different sets to choose from. Im thinking Modellbrass. Most bollards on my model will be in stowed possition, and couple will be slightly raised to nicely vary deck detail.
(http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/1489/bollards1001hg6.th.jpg) (http://img186.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bollards1001hg6.jpg)
(http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/5599/bollards10031sk7.th.jpg) (http://img186.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bollards10031sk7.jpg)
(http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/8789/bollards2010pu5.th.jpg) (http://img183.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bollards2010pu5.jpg)
(http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/5817/bollards005oi7.th.jpg) (http://img211.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bollards005oi7.jpg)

TBC...
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: billp51d on 24 Dec , 2008, 10:12
   Siara...I'm sure you noticed..But in case you haven't....When bollards were in the raised position they were turned slightly to lock them in the up postion...Just a thought..
                                              Merry Christmas..Bill in the U.S.A.
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 24 Dec , 2008, 10:20
Thanks Bill- i havnt noticed it. Ill keep it in mind. ;)
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: wildspear on 24 Dec , 2008, 12:56
Good call Bill. The picture  Siara posted of the bollards raised show they were turned slightly (maybe a 1/4 of the way). Great looking build Siara.
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Rokket on 24 Dec , 2008, 15:45
Those pipes to the tanks I did notice fortunately, but not the bollard turn.
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 24 Dec , 2008, 15:51
Thanks Wildspear! ;)

Rokket- thats why i record every step on this superb forum, full of submarine enthusiasts. If i miss anything, it is quickly spoted by someone.
Thanks for your help guys- i really appreciate it.

I decided to go modelbrass.
It offers best option in creating hollow bollard.
First i used 2,5mm brass tubing to cut 12 even sections- 5mm in length.
The tops were glued in.
(http://img385.imageshack.us/img385/7310/bollards3lj2.th.jpg) (http://img385.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bollards3lj2.jpg)
(http://img385.imageshack.us/img385/3677/bollards4001vx2.th.jpg) (http://img385.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bollards4001vx2.jpg)

TBC...
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Rokket on 24 Dec , 2008, 15:54
Mighty impressive bollards, never thought of brass. I must say, you have great imagination and skills, not the least of which is your soldering ability. When you start building mini roots to crew the boat, I WILL get nervous though!
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 25 Dec , 2008, 04:55
Thanks Rokket. ;)

(http://img376.imageshack.us/img376/6616/bollardplates002qn6.th.jpg) (http://img376.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bollardplates002qn6.jpg)
(http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/85/bollardplates1003yz0.th.jpg) (http://img257.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bollardplates1003yz0.jpg)
(http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/856/bollardplates1002fq3.th.jpg) (http://img442.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bollardplates1002fq3.jpg)

TBC...
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 25 Dec , 2008, 11:07
Modelbrass set has only 2 plates with holes pointing in different directions. The other 4 are wrong.
I have scratch build new set of plates for stern bollards.
(http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/230/bollardplates2001el6.th.jpg) (http://img340.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bollardplates2001el6.jpg)
(http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/6572/bollardplates3004mw8.th.jpg) (http://img530.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bollardplates3004mw8.jpg)
(http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/7797/bollardplates4003nl4.th.jpg) (http://img201.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bollardplates4003nl4.jpg)
(http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/851/bollardplates4001pw3.th.jpg) (http://img267.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bollardplates4001pw3.jpg)

TBC...
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 25 Dec , 2008, 15:02
The most forward set of bollards:
(http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/7281/bollardplates5002bv0.jpg)

One more at the stern, and i can start heeling my fingers. ;D
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Rokket on 25 Dec , 2008, 16:08
blod and skin - small price for the excellent work!
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 25 Dec , 2008, 16:18
No blood yet, but will be sore in the morning. :D

Last set of bollards. Slightly complicated, because there was no plate under them- the deck is steel here enyway. Unfortunately the Eduard PE depicting the deck, had set of bollards already etched in- so it needed to be sanded carefully, not to damage the delicate antislip surface.
But it worked.
(http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/1844/bollardplates6001ol4.jpg)

All the bollards have been completed today. Looks like Christmas work good for modelling. :D
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 26 Dec , 2008, 07:40
Cooks hatch:
(http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/5021/cookshatch002lx9.th.jpg) (http://img142.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cookshatch002lx9.jpg)
(http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/2922/cookshatch1001wg2.th.jpg) (http://img210.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cookshatch1001wg2.jpg)
(http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/1751/cookshatch1009vv1.th.jpg) (http://img300.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cookshatch1009vv1.jpg)
(http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/5728/cookshatch1012ri3.th.jpg) (http://img243.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cookshatch1012ri3.jpg)
(http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/4741/cookshatch1002pc8.th.jpg) (http://img179.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cookshatch1002pc8.jpg)
(http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/7525/cookshatch1004ue2.th.jpg) (http://img179.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cookshatch1004ue2.jpg)
(http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/3773/cookshatch1011si9.th.jpg) (http://img249.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cookshatch1011si9.jpg)
(http://img380.imageshack.us/img380/2278/cookshatch2cm5.th.jpg) (http://img380.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cookshatch2cm5.jpg)
(http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/9238/cookshatch3002xi3.th.jpg) (http://img301.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cookshatch3002xi3.jpg)
(http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/2021/cookshatch4002se8.th.jpg) (http://img301.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cookshatch4002se8.jpg)
(http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/2541/cookshatch4003bl6.th.jpg) (http://img525.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cookshatch4003bl6.jpg)
(http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/363/u580commissioningin0.th.jpg) (http://img201.imageshack.us/my.php?image=u580commissioningin0.jpg)
(http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/807/cookshatchzn4.th.jpg) (http://img201.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cookshatchzn4.jpg)

TBC...
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 26 Dec , 2008, 09:52
(http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/5097/cookshatch5001vg6.th.jpg) (http://img152.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cookshatch5001vg6.jpg)
(http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/974/cookshatch5002hc7.th.jpg) (http://img152.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cookshatch5002hc7.jpg)
(http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/164/cookshatch5006nv9.th.jpg) (http://img222.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cookshatch5006nv9.jpg)

TBC...
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: dougie47 on 26 Dec , 2008, 11:26
Hi Siar,

Before I forget, you might want to research the breakwaters. When I designed photo-etch breakwaters (with help from Wink) for my intended 35th scale waterline U 47, I had to add small holes near the edge. These small holes allowed water to drain through. U 47's breakwaters also had a small lip along the edge. Here's a photo of U 47 -

(http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc118/dougie47/W02_8nov40.jpg)

There are really small details so they are difficult to see in photos. I'm not sure if the breakwaters on U 552 were identical to U 47. U 47's breakwaters were fitted in 1939, U 552 breakwaters were fitted later.

Keep up the excellent work you are doing.

Cheers,

Dougie
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 26 Dec , 2008, 11:35
Thanks Dougie.
Nice picture! I know about the lip- in fact it runns all along the edge of the deck, but theres no  chance i can replicate it. As to the holes on the breakwaters i may be able to do something about it.

Cheerio. ;D
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Rokket on 26 Dec , 2008, 14:56
The hatch - for me, it's those types of "sub assemblies" (no pun intended, but puns are great) that are really fun and exciting. Yours looks very real and miniature.

The Lip - I know, if this were 1:48, I think do-able, but I could find no solid solution that wouldn't look stupid or cause problems. I wonder how many people tripp/slipped on the real one?
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 27 Dec , 2008, 13:04
While studying the picture above, and the one you shown earlier Dougie i discovered few areas that need clarification.
(http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/2815/u552c2dk5.jpg)
Number 1 showing the half circular steel decking plate. Some U-Boots had it, some not. If im not mistaken this is correct for early U-552.
(http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/4707/u55834kg1.jpg)

Number 2 pointing to some hatches on the side of the boat. This can be some repaired areas- im not sure.
Number 3 showing clearly the openings in the starboard side of the skirting. This opening is not visible on the port side of any boat, and only few had it on starboard side. What is it, and is there clearer picture of the thing?

Picture below is displaying the wooden strip on the side of the deck, just in front of starboard bollards. Im not sure what it was used for, but nearly all the bats had it. I think it was only mounted on starboard side aswell. Am i correct Dougie?
(http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/6369/u4591qq6.jpg)

Thanks for your help in advance, and sorry to bother you so much, but i like to research this build in greater detail.

Siara
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 27 Dec , 2008, 13:23
I just went through my stash of pictures again, and found interesting foto:
(http://img123.imageshack.us/img123/8937/unknown07az8.jpg)
It shows the semi circular plate, and the plank of wood fixed to the port side of the deck. ???
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: dougie47 on 28 Dec , 2008, 07:27
Hi Siara,

Some of your questions are more tricky than others but I'll try to help.

1 - the semi circular part was an air identification plate. Type IXs and IIs had it also, which is why we are including this piece in our Type II set. It is seen sporadically on U-boat decks. But since U 552 had it in your photo you should definitely add one.

2 - There were some panels on the side of the hull. I can't see any hinges for them but that might be because they would be so small. You can see the location and size of the panels on U 47's hull on my side profile -

http://amp.rokket.biz/waterlinebig.shtml

3 - I can't make out what this is. Normally I would say it was equipment associated with mooring the boat - when boats came in and out of port there was various parts strewn over the deck. But the openings do look rectangular in shape.

4 - The wooden strip was on both sides - port and starboard - so they need to be added.

Hope this helps.

Cheers,

Dougie
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 28 Dec , 2008, 07:31
Thank you Dougie! ;) Perfect answer- as always. ;D
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 28 Dec , 2008, 10:11
Furnishing of the deck continues.
Small hatch, just in front of the 88mm gun.
(http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/2699/hatch552001ee8.th.jpg) (http://img136.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hatch552001ee8.jpg)(http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/7295/hatch552003wb1.th.jpg) (http://img504.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hatch552003wb1.jpg)(http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/9194/hatch552006ck3.th.jpg) (http://img88.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hatch552006ck3.jpg)

Stern section of the deck getting some detail.
(http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/6057/hatch5521004uv4.th.jpg) (http://img88.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hatch5521004uv4.jpg)(http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/1113/hatch5522004tn5.th.jpg) (http://img81.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hatch5522004tn5.jpg)

TBC....
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 28 Dec , 2008, 13:04
Antislip strips.
(http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/9928/asstrips002uu8.jpg)
(http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/2783/asstrips005xo0.jpg)

TBC...
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 29 Dec , 2008, 14:13
"Slight" improvement to the net cutter:
(http://img236.imageshack.us/img236/3548/netcutter2003nt4.th.jpg) (http://img236.imageshack.us/my.php?image=netcutter2003nt4.jpg)
(http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/8219/netcutter1001wg7.th.jpg) (http://img187.imageshack.us/my.php?image=netcutter1001wg7.jpg)
(http://img236.imageshack.us/img236/4171/netcutter3002va9.th.jpg) (http://img236.imageshack.us/my.php?image=netcutter3002va9.jpg)
(http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/1889/netcutter4002tq1.th.jpg) (http://img229.imageshack.us/my.php?image=netcutter4002tq1.jpg)
(http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/7663/netcutter6001jn9.th.jpg) (http://img229.imageshack.us/my.php?image=netcutter6001jn9.jpg)
(http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/8808/bullnosenetcutter002ab9.th.jpg) (http://img208.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bullnosenetcutter002ab9.jpg)
(http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/6600/bullnosenetcutter007ip9.th.jpg) (http://img254.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bullnosenetcutter007ip9.jpg)
(http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/8096/bullnosenetcutter006nx8.th.jpg) (http://img254.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bullnosenetcutter006nx8.jpg)
(http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/2751/netcutter8ry3.th.jpg) (http://img227.imageshack.us/my.php?image=netcutter8ry3.jpg)
(http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/296/bullnosenetcutter1001va9.th.jpg) (http://img156.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bullnosenetcutter1001va9.jpg)
(http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/9271/bullnosenetcutter1005kx1.th.jpg) (http://img156.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bullnosenetcutter1005kx1.jpg)
(http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/4706/bullnosenetcutter1007ze3.th.jpg) (http://img156.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bullnosenetcutter1007ze3.jpg)

 ;)
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 30 Dec , 2008, 11:17
Net cutter finished.
(http://img356.imageshack.us/img356/189/lut004sx1.th.jpg) (http://img356.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lut004sx1.jpg)

To give you better feel for the scale, heres the bracket against the pencil:
(http://img379.imageshack.us/img379/3230/lut1002yl8.th.jpg) (http://img379.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lut1002yl8.jpg)
(http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/8229/piladosiatek005xw3.th.jpg) (http://img220.imageshack.us/my.php?image=piladosiatek005xw3.jpg)
(http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/9732/piladosiatek003sb2.th.jpg) (http://img187.imageshack.us/my.php?image=piladosiatek003sb2.jpg)
(http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/4500/piladosiatek001qq8.th.jpg) (http://img301.imageshack.us/my.php?image=piladosiatek001qq8.jpg)

TBC...
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: bracco_n on 30 Dec , 2008, 16:27
You're doing a great job Siara! I wonder how do you build things so small, are you a surgeon?
Congrats again
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 31 Dec , 2008, 01:15
Thanks Bracco_n!
I work in the transport industry. ;D
My mum wanted me to be a doctor- it never worked out. I never had the patience to finish the study. ;)

Today i added 2 wooden boards in front of the bollards:
(http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/5741/paski333003le1.th.jpg) (http://img504.imageshack.us/my.php?image=paski333003le1.jpg)(http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/5015/paski334001id7.th.jpg) (http://img254.imageshack.us/my.php?image=paski334001id7.jpg)

TBC...
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: rabapla on 31 Dec , 2008, 10:01
believe me: surgeons never work so delicate (except neurosurgeons perhaps.............)
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 31 Dec , 2008, 13:07
believe me: surgeons never work so delicate (except neurosurgeons perhaps.............)
You are right Rapabla. :D

Last update in the old year- hinges.
This things are so small....i fixed all 52 of them. ;D
I used the Eduard set.
(http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/5633/zawiasy1002cv5.th.jpg) (http://img178.imageshack.us/my.php?image=zawiasy1002cv5.jpg)
(http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/7792/zawiasy003rw4.th.jpg) (http://img255.imageshack.us/my.php?image=zawiasy003rw4.jpg)
(http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/1190/zawiasy005pg4.th.jpg) (http://img71.imageshack.us/my.php?image=zawiasy005pg4.jpg)
(http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/9213/zawiasy006jr8.th.jpg) (http://img255.imageshack.us/my.php?image=zawiasy006jr8.jpg)
(http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/1233/zawiasy009gc2.th.jpg) (http://img71.imageshack.us/my.php?image=zawiasy009gc2.jpg)
(http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/3518/zawiasy010fk4.th.jpg) (http://img178.imageshack.us/my.php?image=zawiasy010fk4.jpg)

Happy New Year! ;D
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: wildspear on 01 Jan , 2009, 09:51
Siara,
Some times it's hard to believe to detail you put on a build. It also gives me insperation and ideas for my own build. Keep the pics coming.
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 01 Jan , 2009, 10:58
Siara,
Some times it's hard to believe to detail you put on a build. It also gives me insperation and ideas for my own build. Keep the pics coming.
Thanks Wildspear!
Ill keep the pics coming as you wish....

Grapnels- i think thats what this thing is called- does anybody know?
(http://img74.imageshack.us/img74/5313/u2011rr7.th.jpg) (http://img74.imageshack.us/my.php?image=u2011rr7.jpg)
(http://img74.imageshack.us/img74/148/u302vy6.th.jpg) (http://img74.imageshack.us/my.php?image=u302vy6.jpg)
(http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/5634/kije002mm2.th.jpg) (http://img201.imageshack.us/my.php?image=kije002mm2.jpg)
(http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/2773/kije001oo1.th.jpg) (http://img148.imageshack.us/my.php?image=kije001oo1.jpg)
(http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/1872/kije1003qf5.th.jpg) (http://img141.imageshack.us/my.php?image=kije1003qf5.jpg)
(http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/5558/kije2001oz3.th.jpg) (http://img141.imageshack.us/my.php?image=kije2001oz3.jpg)
(http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/3536/kije3001gx4.th.jpg) (http://img209.imageshack.us/my.php?image=kije3001gx4.jpg)
(http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/7730/kije3006ig1.th.jpg) (http://img229.imageshack.us/my.php?image=kije3006ig1.jpg)
(http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/1827/kije3008zm6.th.jpg) (http://img134.imageshack.us/my.php?image=kije3008zm6.jpg)
(http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/5215/kije3011dd6.th.jpg) (http://img183.imageshack.us/my.php?image=kije3011dd6.jpg)
(http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/4746/kije3012yg5.th.jpg) (http://img254.imageshack.us/my.php?image=kije3012yg5.jpg)

TBC...
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Greif on 01 Jan , 2009, 13:17
Siara,

you have one beautiful build my friend!  I have looked at every entry, and your blog site also.  Hope you don't mind if I use some of your ideas in my build.  Your U-boat will be "museum quality" when it is finished.

Sincerely,
Greif 
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 01 Jan , 2009, 13:21
Hope you don't mind if I use some of your ideas in my build.

Thank you Greif. ;D
Feel free to steel any idea you may find useful for your build- it should be interesting to watch how other people deal with the revell idea of type VII boat.
Be warned- its full time job you know. Wink spent almost 2 years building his excellent U-557, and im into my 14-th month. :D
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: dougie47 on 01 Jan , 2009, 15:41
Hi Siara,

I like your comment saying the "Revell idea of a Type VII U-boat." You mean Revell didn't achieve complete accuracy?!

I'm not sure what you would have made of the Amati 72nd VIIB, which was the only choice before the Revell kit. You'd have been still building in 2012 if you'd been building the Amati one. :)

Cheers,

Dougie
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: rabapla on 02 Jan , 2009, 00:36
I would prefer "Revells interpretation of a type VII".

Of course they used U 995 as a reference, it's preserved in Kiel, Germany. easy to reach for them.
and this boat is altered a lot.

but think of the fun You would have missed if Revell's boat would be spot on accurate............

by the way: it's called "Bootshaken" (boat hook or hitcher?)
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 02 Jan , 2009, 00:59
Theres no question revell kit is superior to amati in any way. I would choose it over amati each, and every time no fail.
Still- theres lot of room for improvement, maybe thats what makes that kit so appealing.

Thanks RB for the boat hook. ;)
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 02 Jan , 2009, 02:15
Im about to start pimping up the back light.
(http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/7229/u2031pl1.jpg)
Was the glass red or white?
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: billp51d on 02 Jan , 2009, 05:17
.....Siara..It was clear white...
                   Ref: Dougies u-boat colors & markings..found under "deck parts", rear navigation light. I don't have a page number...but it's about 2/3's into the manual....
                                                              Bill...
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 02 Jan , 2009, 05:25
Nice one Bill- forgot about that PDF  :-X
Im sorting the light now- expect the update soon.

Thanks Bill. ;)
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 02 Jan , 2009, 18:39
Stern light.
I didnt fit the lightbulb, because the frontline U-Boats had them removed. I left the glass in- i think it looks better that way.
(http://img371.imageshack.us/img371/2838/unknown14el3.th.jpg) (http://img371.imageshack.us/my.php?image=unknown14el3.jpg)

(http://img49.imageshack.us/img49/1667/backlight1006tx0.th.jpg) (http://img49.imageshack.us/my.php?image=backlight1006tx0.jpg)
(http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/6379/backlight2003qi0.th.jpg) (http://img253.imageshack.us/my.php?image=backlight2003qi0.jpg)
(http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/1738/backlight3002fm4.th.jpg) (http://img114.imageshack.us/my.php?image=backlight3002fm4.jpg)
(http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/4043/backlight3005wg8.th.jpg) (http://img511.imageshack.us/my.php?image=backlight3005wg8.jpg)
(http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/3965/backlight4003ha3.th.jpg) (http://img511.imageshack.us/my.php?image=backlight4003ha3.jpg)
(http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/8818/backlight5003kz5.th.jpg) (http://img183.imageshack.us/my.php?image=backlight5003kz5.jpg)
(http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/4697/backlight6001vr2.th.jpg) (http://img183.imageshack.us/my.php?image=backlight6001vr2.jpg)
(http://img369.imageshack.us/img369/5682/backlight70021qg4.th.jpg) (http://img369.imageshack.us/my.php?image=backlight70021qg4.jpg)

TBC....
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: wildspear on 02 Jan , 2009, 19:03
I never even thought to use those oxyegn things that come in packages.
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 03 Jan , 2009, 11:16
I completed the SG.
It was tricky. First i have scratched the 4 supports from brass sheet. Then the thin wire was soldered to each support. The hull was drilled to accept the wire- providing the strength to the joint.  8)
(http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/6573/sg1002ga7.th.jpg) (http://img176.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sg1002ga7.jpg)(http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/7694/sg1003rq0.th.jpg) (http://img176.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sg1003rq0.jpg)

TBC...
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Rokket on 03 Jan , 2009, 17:39
Your light is...um...well, to quote Darth Vader: "Impressive,...MOST impressive!" (you can imagine the hissing ventilator breathing or not as you wish).

WOW! If the boats had left the bulbs in, I can see you actually getting or making a grain of wheat ACCURATE bulb... this s quite a build.
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Greif on 04 Jan , 2009, 03:14
Siara, all I can say is:  "I'm not worthy!"

Great and inspired work!

Greif
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 04 Jan , 2009, 11:34
Thank you guys for your continuous support! ;)

More details. Not much left to be done.

Hinges on the hatches. As the hinge i used the stretched sprue, blobed at both ends with hot knife:
(http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/3126/rst998001nf4.th.jpg) (http://img508.imageshack.us/my.php?image=rst998001nf4.jpg)
(http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/1230/rst998002ob4.th.jpg) (http://img98.imageshack.us/my.php?image=rst998002ob4.jpg)

Bow details:
(http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/4458/rst998020jb4.th.jpg) (http://img98.imageshack.us/my.php?image=rst998020jb4.jpg)
(http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/5207/rst998006qc2.th.jpg) (http://img520.imageshack.us/my.php?image=rst998006qc2.jpg)

Some hatches, and steel plates were added to the sides:
(http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/4645/rst998016uf9.th.jpg) (http://img176.imageshack.us/my.php?image=rst998016uf9.jpg)
(http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/1622/rst998014rr6.th.jpg) (http://img293.imageshack.us/my.php?image=rst998014rr6.jpg)
(http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/2232/rst9980171az0.th.jpg) (http://img520.imageshack.us/my.php?image=rst9980171az0.jpg)

UT sensors:
(http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/8199/rst998021wy8.th.jpg) (http://img156.imageshack.us/my.php?image=rst998021wy8.jpg)

TBC....

Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 05 Jan , 2009, 10:57
(http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/2333/u2031jk2.th.jpg) (http://img171.imageshack.us/my.php?image=u2031jk2.jpg)

(http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/7295/rst996003jk1.th.jpg) (http://img247.imageshack.us/my.php?image=rst996003jk1.jpg)
(http://img379.imageshack.us/img379/3271/rst996004rg3.th.jpg) (http://img379.imageshack.us/my.php?image=rst996004rg3.jpg)

I scratched some brackets from the sheet of brass, and soldered short wires to every each of them. Holes were drilled in the right places, and CA helped to glue it in. Nice solid job. ;D
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 06 Jan , 2009, 03:17
Because devil is in detail....
(http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/1456/u4041ol5.th.jpg) (http://img518.imageshack.us/my.php?image=u4041ol5.jpg)

(http://img56.imageshack.us/img56/6934/rst995001kw1.th.jpg) (http://img56.imageshack.us/my.php?image=rst995001kw1.jpg)
(http://img56.imageshack.us/img56/2199/rst995003cu8.th.jpg) (http://img56.imageshack.us/my.php?image=rst995003cu8.jpg)

TBC... ;)
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 06 Jan , 2009, 13:58
(http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/4341/unknown20ne2.th.jpg) (http://img140.imageshack.us/my.php?image=unknown20ne2.jpg)(http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/3758/u558xm9.th.jpg) (http://img223.imageshack.us/my.php?image=u558xm9.jpg)

(http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/2575/rst994003xp6.th.jpg) (http://img178.imageshack.us/my.php?image=rst994003xp6.jpg)(http://img364.imageshack.us/img364/1061/rst993001bz4.th.jpg) (http://img364.imageshack.us/my.php?image=rst993001bz4.jpg)

TBC...
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Rokket on 07 Jan , 2009, 00:46
Very impressive cleats!
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 07 Jan , 2009, 14:19
Thanks Rokket! Im glad you like it.

Some more deck detailing:
(http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/748/rst992003fw0.th.jpg) (http://img81.imageshack.us/my.php?image=rst992003fw0.jpg)
(http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/9046/rst991002bo4.th.jpg) (http://img525.imageshack.us/my.php?image=rst991002bo4.jpg)
(http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/4460/rst9910071yh0.th.jpg) (http://img512.imageshack.us/my.php?image=rst9910071yh0.jpg)
(http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/6613/rst991009dq7.th.jpg) (http://img340.imageshack.us/my.php?image=rst991009dq7.jpg)

TBC...
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 08 Jan , 2009, 09:55
Four remaining brackets for the winch by the stern external storage have been completed.
(http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/209/rst990007ez3.th.jpg) (http://img135.imageshack.us/my.php?image=rst990007ez3.jpg)

Ive masked the areas for the conning tower, and capstan with Humbrol`s Maskol. It will leave the unpainted surface untill im ready to glue the parts on at the en of painting process.
(http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/3646/rst990001si2.th.jpg) (http://img135.imageshack.us/my.php?image=rst990001si2.jpg)
(http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/3104/rst990002ew1.th.jpg) (http://img135.imageshack.us/my.php?image=rst990002ew1.jpg)

Now i will cover the hull with Tamiya`s primer- it will highlight all the imperfections in need of correction. ;D

TBC....
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: NZSnowman on 08 Jan , 2009, 12:29
I just realize that the VIIC/41's and a few of the late war VIIC decks are very simple and clear compare to the other Type VII
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 08 Jan , 2009, 13:55
Hull is primed. I spent few months sanding, and scrabing the hull in hope to get the good "oil canning" effect, and i think it turned out nice. Just the way i wanted it to look.
Short galery before i start painting it, and making it look dirty:
(http://img385.imageshack.us/img385/1867/u552primed004ho8.jpg)
(http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/8976/u552primed005gy6.jpg)
(http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/8104/u552primed007vj5.jpg)
(http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/8201/u552primed011el5.jpg)
(http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/7528/u552primed012xo4.jpg)
(http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/2607/u552primed013xi2.jpg)
(http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/8596/u552primed014pv6.jpg)
(http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/9715/u552primed015ak0.jpg)
(http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/765/u552primed016jw6.jpg)
(http://img131.imageshack.us/img131/166/u552primed017st2.jpg)

Hope you like the result. ;D
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Greif on 08 Jan , 2009, 14:11
Outstanding work as always.  Your U-552 will be ready for paint soon!  :)

Oops!  It is aleady there! :D

Greif
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Greif on 08 Jan , 2009, 14:16
You know, I was seriously considering leaving off the rear diving planes and the rudders on my build to make painting easier.  After looking at the stern of your primed U-552 I wish I had.  I think painting in that area is going to be a pain. *Sigh*

Greif
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Rokket on 09 Jan , 2009, 01:08
Yes, those areas are a bit tight. Looks great Siara!
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 09 Jan , 2009, 14:26
Thanks guys- im glad you like her!

Today i have bought the copper wirre in 4 diametres: 0,31mm 0,45mm 0,56mm 0,71mm.
Plan is to make all the deck railings, and stern supports for the jumping wires.
(http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/4091/wire001ra5.th.jpg) (http://img404.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wire001ra5.jpg)
(http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/2130/wire002cm9.th.jpg) (http://img152.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wire002cm9.jpg)
(http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/9575/wire003kv9.th.jpg) (http://img91.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wire003kv9.jpg)

TBC... ;D
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 10 Jan , 2009, 03:39
Studying the pictures of various type VIIC boats i spotted some detail on the deck railings.
(http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/9721/u2043bb4.jpg)

It was possibly designed to interchange the section of the railing for chain while moored at the port.
I cant get the close up o the detail, but came up with photoshop mock up of it:
(http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/8642/45403931ht6.jpg)

tell me what you think- would it look that way?
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Rokket on 10 Jan , 2009, 04:11
I can't day as Supreme Know it All, but most all clip/chain hooks work that way, so it is very likely.
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 10 Jan , 2009, 06:53
Thanks Rokket- i think i will follow this path.

I started work on the railings.
Im using 0,45mm copper wire, Dremel soldering torch, and Koki paste.
(http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/9260/98806963iz4.th.jpg) (http://img129.imageshack.us/my.php?image=98806963iz4.jpg)(http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/1671/railingsdecd002ou6.th.jpg) (http://img243.imageshack.us/my.php?image=railingsdecd002ou6.jpg)(http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/4668/railingsdecd003pn6.th.jpg) (http://img187.imageshack.us/my.php?image=railingsdecd003pn6.jpg)(http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/3416/railingsdeck002bv8.th.jpg) (http://img247.imageshack.us/my.php?image=railingsdeck002bv8.jpg)(http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/8631/railingsdeck003ks2.th.jpg) (http://img522.imageshack.us/my.php?image=railingsdeck003ks2.jpg)(http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/67/railingsdeck004kv7.th.jpg) (http://img247.imageshack.us/my.php?image=railingsdeck004kv7.jpg)

Hope you like. ;D

TBC...
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 10 Jan , 2009, 09:19
Two back triangular railings are ready:
(http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/993/railingsdeck1004yz8.jpg)
(http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/2680/railingsdeck1005lk8.jpg)
 ;D
TBC...
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: NZSnowman on 10 Jan , 2009, 11:19
Hi Siara

I found one picture with the rings
(http://www.mediafire.com/imgbnc.php/e458fdddbbd708d3955089ee7badf7012g.jpg) (http://www.mediafire.com/imageview.php?quickkey=gngmg1jt2zm&thumb=5)

Also here a 3D model view of the rings (I have another view but it does not seem to be working today ???)
(http://www.mediafire.com/imgbnc.php/8ae911e2e94571f281d04aad93fcbb152g.jpg) (http://www.mediafire.com/imageview.php?quickkey=zzywwj2wzmz&thumb=5)
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 10 Jan , 2009, 14:40
Thanks Snowman- just as i thought. It shouldnt be a problem to make it. Ill work on the rings tomorrow.
Today im trying to complete the front part of railings, but here lot more soldering is involved, and it takes time.
I got one of the railings completed:
(http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/1802/railingsdeck20021qu4.th.jpg) (http://img135.imageshack.us/my.php?image=railingsdeck20021qu4.jpg)
(http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/6490/railingsdeck3001je4.th.jpg) (http://img135.imageshack.us/my.php?image=railingsdeck3001je4.jpg)
(http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/9291/railingsdeck3003jw1.th.jpg) (http://img404.imageshack.us/my.php?image=railingsdeck3003jw1.jpg)
(http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/339/railingsdeck3005wx8.th.jpg) (http://img404.imageshack.us/my.php?image=railingsdeck3005wx8.jpg)

I left the bottom part of the removable section off, because i find that to be true with some of the pictures of the U-552 i have.
TBC...
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 10 Jan , 2009, 15:31
Last update for today- i have dry fitted the railing to the deck. ;D
(http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/7663/railingsdeck4002oh8.jpg)

TBC...
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Rokket on 10 Jan , 2009, 15:36
Rail looks sweet. But then you are superb with (well, everything) soldering.
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Mr.Mox on 11 Jan , 2009, 01:45
That beats the kitparts with lightyears -  ;D - great work and a good inspiration for the VII C I have in My stash.

Cheers
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Greif on 11 Jan , 2009, 02:29
I agree with Rokket about the rails, they are outstanding.  Makes me consider learning to solder!

Ernest
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 11 Jan , 2009, 08:35
I agree with Rokket about the rails, they are outstanding.  Makes me consider learning to solder!

Ernest
Not dificoult if equiped with right tools.
Get yourself Dremel soldering torch, and Koki paste. Youl be soldering in no time. This is my first model where i solder enything. In fact first soldering enywhere- ever. ;D

Finished both front railings. and made the loops for the chains.
I think it looks much beter than revells parts. ;)
(http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/796/railingsdeck70021vd1.jpg)
(http://img125.imageshack.us/img125/7030/railingsdeck70031mk1.jpg)
(http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/9481/railingsdeck8004mt4.jpg)
(http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/5546/railingsdeck8011ur3.jpg)

TBC...
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 11 Jan , 2009, 17:04
(http://img159.imageshack.us/img159/2319/f6821fdf4aff467b88fc88bbw6.jpg)
(http://img159.imageshack.us/img159/1227/ec42cfbcffd053ff9bed621ib2.jpg)

Kit part:
(http://img49.imageshack.us/img49/2290/kapstan005yh8.jpg)

New capstan turned from resin, and all the bits added:
(http://img154.imageshack.us/img154/5503/kapstan1001tv9.jpg)
(http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/7205/kapstan2003dl6.jpg)
(http://img238.imageshack.us/img238/5459/kapstan3005qj6.jpg)
(http://img154.imageshack.us/img154/7154/kapstan3002nd3.jpg)
(http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/3077/kapstan3009hg3.jpg)

TBC...
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: NZSnowman on 11 Jan , 2009, 18:41
I must had looked at those pictures 100's of times and l never saw that half rail around the top of the capstan. I will need to redo my capstan now :D
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 12 Jan , 2009, 07:43
Jumping wires supports.
(http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/2396/u2031ur1.jpg)

Kit part:
(http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/9053/uhg3002iv0.jpg)

...and scratch:
(http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/6729/uhg1dk1.jpg)
(http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/6729/uhg1001fv4.jpg)
(http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/504/uhg1002ti7.jpg)
(http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/438/uhg1005qi9.jpg)
(http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/8672/uhg2001et4.jpg)
(http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/3590/uhg2004jr6.jpg)

Dry fit:
(http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/628/uhg2005mu6.jpg)
(http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/497/uhg2006am7.jpg)

2 side supports still to be done.

TBC....
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Mr.Mox on 12 Jan , 2009, 09:43
My eyes, my eyes .... so small  ;D

Great work, hope you are going to leave your pictures online the next year or so, as I plan to begin building my VII over the summer  ;)

Cheers/Jan
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 12 Jan , 2009, 16:29
My eyes, my eyes .... so small  ;D

Great work, hope you are going to leave your pictures online the next year or so, as I plan to begin building my VII over the summer  ;)

Cheers/Jan
All my work is well documented, theres the blog, and threads on 3 different forums.
Im keeping every picture from the build on the seperate disc on my computer.

Today i have finished the supports:
(http://img119.imageshack.us/img119/1774/yhgf001th0.jpg)
(http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/9881/yhgf007ag2.jpg)
(http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/1559/yhgf008xj8.jpg)
(http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/2411/yhgf010bf9.jpg)

TBC...
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: NZSnowman on 13 Jan , 2009, 11:13
Hi Siara

I was wondering that length did you make your Grapnels? Also during your research on the Grapnels did you come across how it was fix to the deck? I imagine the grapnels were fixed with wing nuts so they could be quickly and easily remove when needed ???  Thanks, Simon.

Siara,
Some times it's hard to believe to detail you put on a build. It also gives me insperation and ideas for my own build. Keep the pics coming.
Thanks Wildspear!
Ill keep the pics coming as you wish....

Grapnels- i think thats what this thing is called- does anybody know?
...
...
...
(http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/5215/kije3011dd6.th.jpg) (http://img183.imageshack.us/my.php?image=kije3011dd6.jpg)
(http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/4746/kije3012yg5.th.jpg) (http://img254.imageshack.us/my.php?image=kije3012yg5.jpg)

TBC...
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 13 Jan , 2009, 11:19
It took 1 day, and few days thinking, and researching. ;)

If you asking for length- i followed whats in the pictures. I took measurements against the hatches.
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: NZSnowman on 13 Jan , 2009, 11:28
You caught in the middle of me reediting my post. Yes was talking about the length and also asking if you know how it was fixed to the deck.
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 13 Jan , 2009, 11:52
That shot may help you establish how it works:
(http://img360.imageshack.us/img360/3613/122366oj7.jpg)

Hope it helps.  ;D
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: NZSnowman on 13 Jan , 2009, 12:00
Yes, great picture will helps a heap!! Nice clear picture :)
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: NZSnowman on 13 Jan , 2009, 13:04
Thanks for the help.
(http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/8971/grapnelszz7.th.jpg) (http://img176.imageshack.us/my.php?image=grapnelszz7.jpg)
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 13 Jan , 2009, 13:27
When i made mine boathooks i thought it would look like so- something in the simplicity of the  lock design.
(http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/4203/drawing002mi0.jpg)
I guess well never know. ;)
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Greif on 13 Jan , 2009, 13:52
Very, very nice my friend!
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: NZSnowman on 13 Jan , 2009, 14:54
I thought about using a hinge but I thought that a hinge would rust over time, so they may perhaps uses a 'spring steel' strap. This I believe would grasp the grapnel better; there would be no moving parts and fewer moving parts to rust.

Early on in the war when the decks were metal I would believe the holder were welded on to the deck and by the end of the war when the decks were made of wood I imagine they were bolted right in to the wood.

I could not see from the picture what they used for a pin. I think either a
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 13 Jan , 2009, 16:31
By the way great sketch!!

It was in fact quick freehand, but thank you! ;D

Work started on 20mm MG C/30.
Shot of all the kit parts:
(http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/1571/20mm002uk9.jpg)

I can see the room for improvement here. :D
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: NZSnowman on 13 Jan , 2009, 17:01
Siara, would you like more pictures of the 20 mm? As I have a few.
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 13 Jan , 2009, 17:13
Simon- the answer is - YES PLEASE!!! ;)
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: NZSnowman on 13 Jan , 2009, 17:39
(http://img55.imageshack.us/img55/7365/12633181435c772a7468ozm0.th.jpg) (http://img55.imageshack.us/my.php?image=12633181435c772a7468ozm0.jpg) (http://img58.imageshack.us/img58/6680/20dostrzelania130hfny9.th.jpg) (http://img58.imageshack.us/my.php?image=20dostrzelania130hfny9.jpg)

Do you have 'Anatomy of the ship...Type VII' as there a few drawing in it also?
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: billp51d on 13 Jan , 2009, 17:51
   Simon/ Siara ...Any kind of release mechanism on the grapnel would have been of the "quick release " type. Hardware such as bolts, nuts and wing nuts (unless they had a tether attached) were considered a poor application. The mechanics used was probably much like the sketch by siara.. loose parts got lost, or dropped through the decking or overboard. Another example is the tether on the pampion of the "88" and tethered plugs on the other armaments. Practices like this are also found on aircraft.
                                                            Cheers /  Bill
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: billp51d on 13 Jan , 2009, 18:08
        SPELLING CORRECTION....NOT (PAMPION)....DUH.....TAMPION..
                                                                                  BILL
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: NZSnowman on 13 Jan , 2009, 18:11
Bill, your right about the loose parts getting lost, or dropped through the decking or overboard. Did not think of this :(
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: billp51d on 13 Jan , 2009, 20:19
          Hi, simon...As for tethers..I wouldn't doubt that if work was done, especially at sea, the tools were more than likely tethered to thier belts...Of course we've all seen the men themselves tethered to the u-boat..Back to the grapple..Siaras sketch certainly looks like the bracket in the photo..
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: NZSnowman on 13 Jan , 2009, 20:49
Bill, I think your right again. I now think that the bracket with a hinge look more correct than my drawing. And if I relook that the picture the angle of the open strap looks to great to be a 'spring steel' strap without a hinge. I will redo my drawing later.
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 14 Jan , 2009, 01:18
Simon- look how many hinges they used to attach all the hatches to the deck. Just the thought. ;)

Back to 20mm.
(http://img73.imageshack.us/img73/3511/20mmstatyw001bv2.jpg)
(http://img234.imageshack.us/img234/5651/20mmstatyw002gg2.jpg)
(http://img57.imageshack.us/img57/7505/20mmstatyw004gf0.jpg)
(http://img164.imageshack.us/img164/584/20mmstatyw1002er6.jpg)

TBC...
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Greif on 14 Jan , 2009, 01:24
The 2.0 cm mount is very sweet, Siara! :)

Ernest
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 14 Jan , 2009, 02:49
The 2.0 cm mount is very sweet, Siara! :)

Ernest
Thanks Ernest.

Continuing with the mount:
(http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/1702/20mmstatyw2001he9.jpg)
(http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/9784/20mmstatyw2003ow9.jpg)
(http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/4828/20mmstatyw2007wh1.jpg)

TBC...
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: rabapla on 14 Jan , 2009, 02:51
this is unbelieveable.........

I quit modelling and become a gardener..............
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: billp51d on 14 Jan , 2009, 12:24
           Siara..What are you using to replicate the hardware on the bolt pattern on the base of your "20 mm" mount...Very exact !, Very interesting !
                                                        Bill
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 14 Jan , 2009, 12:29
Bill- thats the Eduard VIIC set. I slightly modified it- drilled larger hole, and flattened the center to glue the mount with its centrepin in.
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 14 Jan , 2009, 13:26
(http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/7451/20mmkorba002gm3.jpg)
(http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/3840/20mmkorba004ug9.jpg)
(http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/2036/20mmkorba1004ab8.jpg)
(http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/264/20mmkorba10061xi7.jpg)
(http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/6794/20mmkorba2002wk9.jpg)

 ;)

TBC...
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 14 Jan , 2009, 17:38
I started putting together 20mm gun:
(http://img235.imageshack.us/img235/918/20mmbarrel006es3.jpg)

 ;D
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Mr.Mox on 15 Jan , 2009, 00:41
Sweet!
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Greif on 15 Jan , 2009, 01:00
The 2.0 cm mount is very sweet, Siara! :)

Ernest
Thanks Ernest.

Continuing with the mount:
(http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/1702/20mmstatyw2001he9.jpg)
(http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/9784/20mmstatyw2003ow9.jpg)
(http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/4828/20mmstatyw2007wh1.jpg)

TBC...

Hi Siara, looking good!  Question, I am currently working on the bases for the 2.0 cm guns on my build.  In your pictures of the base it looks like you are just using the Eduard(?) PE part?  I am considering doing that to get closer to scale thickness, and I am interested in hearing your opinion.

Thank You,
Ernest
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 15 Jan , 2009, 01:05
Ernest- i checked few pictures, and is clear that just Eduard plate is necessary. You dont need reinforcing the plate with kits plastic, as on every picture ive seen the plate feets snugly into recesses in the conning tower deck.
(http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/7871/u4041jh1.jpg)
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Greif on 15 Jan , 2009, 01:33
Thanks for the reply Siara.  I was leaning in that direction and can now "fall in"!

Ernest
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 16 Jan , 2009, 16:36
Im working on the 20 mm still.
I think i will build it as total scratch, without kit parts used.  ;D
(http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/9671/20mmbarrel2001ev9.jpg)
(http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/7615/20mmbarrel2002ks3.jpg)
(http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/7826/20mmbarrel2004ur2.jpg)
(http://img102.imageshack.us/img102/3816/20mmbarrel20051sz1.jpg)

TBC...
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Rokket on 16 Jan , 2009, 22:48
again...WoW!

I am waiting for you to build the diesels and elec motors next...
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 17 Jan , 2009, 07:53
again...WoW!

I am waiting for you to build the diesels and elec motors next...
Thanks Rokket- im afraid its bit too late for that now. ;D

Some more progress on the gun:
(http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/6872/20mmbarrel3004hj9.jpg)
(http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/5503/20mmbarrel3007sf2.jpg)

TBC...
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 18 Jan , 2009, 09:06
Some more scratch building:
(http://img49.imageshack.us/img49/5189/20mmbarrel4003np0.jpg)
(http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/2184/20mmbarrel4006zf3.jpg)
(http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/2420/20mmbarrel4009ce6.jpg)

TBC...
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 18 Jan , 2009, 12:56
(http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/6995/20mmbarrel5004jn6.jpg)
(http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/7879/20mmbarrel5005xj9.jpg)
(http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/1999/20mmbarrel5006mt0.jpg)

TBC...
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Mr.Mox on 18 Jan , 2009, 13:04
Very neat - can it shoot?  ;) - its way better than the kit part, nice work!
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 18 Jan , 2009, 17:37
Very neat - can it shoot?  ;) - its way better than the kit part, nice work!


Thanks Jan! Im glad you like it.

The 20mm gun completed.
I added the sights, magazine, and schoulder supports.
(http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/419/20mmbarrel6001mo6.jpg)
(http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/9462/20mmbarrel6002ks3.jpg)
(http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/5517/20mmbarrel6007kw3.jpg)
(http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/1391/20mmbarrel6003rj1.jpg)
(http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/8075/20mmbarrel6009mb9.jpg)
(http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/6359/20mmbarrel6010ql5.jpg)

Tomorrow i will take few snaps while mounted to the deck.
TBC...
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: bracco_n on 18 Jan , 2009, 20:17
I think you could add the piece of rubber that was used on the back of the shoulder supports (I hope you understand what I mean!!), just a little comment.
The boat is looking great, keep up the good work!
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Greif on 19 Jan , 2009, 00:50
Stunning!  Simply stunning! :o
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 19 Jan , 2009, 15:36
Not much modelling time today, but i managed to collect the all new glass cover from the glass guy.
The one i had before had some minor issues, which needed to be rectified, but instead he made the new glass tank for me. And it is much nicer!  ;D
(http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/9427/glass001wc4.jpg)
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 21 Jan , 2009, 06:30
Net cutter, and jumping wires supports fixed to the deck.
I used stretched sprue.
The sprue stretched on top of the cigarette lighter, inserted in the holes, and blobed at the ends with hot knife.
Primer applied.
(http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/5313/bolts1003hr3.jpg)
(http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/8017/bolts002rt0.jpg)
(http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/4838/bolts009og3.jpg)
(http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/9800/bolts0041fm7.jpg)

TBC...
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Rokket on 22 Jan , 2009, 00:12
VERY classy
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: rabapla on 22 Jan , 2009, 03:33
and even removable!
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 22 Jan , 2009, 03:52
Much to kind guys!  ;D
20 mm primed, base of the gun got the remaining detail, and
dry fitted to the deck:
(http://img159.imageshack.us/img159/3223/gunmounted001la9.jpg)
(http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/1130/gunmounted002bk0.jpg)
(http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/4594/gunmounted003lf7.jpg)

 ;)
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Mr.Mox on 22 Jan , 2009, 06:38
Thats just perfect - really worth the extra work!

You must be more or less ready to paint your boat ?

Cheers/Jan
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 22 Jan , 2009, 06:45
Thank you Jan. ;)

Im glad the way it turned out. It was worth it indeed.
Im still awaiting the delivery of my new airbrush- the highly acclaimed Infinity http://precisiongermanairbrush.com/infinity126543.html

Another thing is- the 88mm gun. I dont know if to build it first, and then paint the whole lot- leaving the rigging, and figures for last, or to paint the model, and while doing so, work on the gun simultenously.
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Rokket on 24 Jan , 2009, 00:39
Weathering around scope base = photo real!
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 24 Jan , 2009, 06:41
Weathering around scope base = photo real!

Thanks Wink!

Preshading.
Conning tower, and top part of the hull were preshaded using Tamiya XF-18 Medium Blue, mixed 50/50 with Tamiya Thinner (X-20A)
I thought the usual black will be too harsh under the very light base colour.
Bottom of the hull will get preshaded with XF-50- Field Blue.

(http://img159.imageshack.us/img159/8171/preshading001ld0.jpg)
(http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/6282/preshading004pd9.jpg)
(http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/8595/preshading005pr3.jpg)
(http://img102.imageshack.us/img102/6858/preshading006yr2.jpg)

TBC...
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 24 Jan , 2009, 10:09
Tamiya XF-50 for lower parts of the hull:
(http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/9594/preshading10071fx1.jpg)
(http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/1251/preshading1008ii6.jpg)

TBC...
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Greif on 24 Jan , 2009, 14:15
She's really taking on life now Siara.  I look forward to seeing her complete.
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 25 Jan , 2009, 06:01
Mix of Tamiya X-2, XF-18, XF-18, X-21, and X-22 for top part of the hull.
Preshading just visible through the main colour- perfect! ;D
(http://img162.imageshack.us/img162/3326/topofthehull011kq7.jpg)
(http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/9219/topofthehull012mz0.jpg)
(http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/3943/topofthehull010oa9.jpg)
(http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/9447/topofthehull009hw1.jpg)

TBC...
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 25 Jan , 2009, 13:19
Bottom of the hull painted.
I used mix of colours, of which the Tamiya XF-18 was dominant.
(http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/8017/paintingbase001bt4.jpg)
(http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/3935/paintingbase010us3.jpg)
(http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/4375/paintingbase009md3.jpg)
(http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/4673/paintingbase003lg8.jpg)
(http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/3622/paintingbase002jw0.jpg)

This shot shows the oil canning effect beautifuly. All the work ive put into getting the hull to look right pays off now. ;D
(http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/6458/paintingbase007kk0.jpg)
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Mr.Mox on 25 Jan , 2009, 13:30
This party is getting hot!  ;D

Have to agree, your preshading really get the full effect out of your "oil-canning" - looking good Mate!

Looks like a good choice of colors!

Cheers/Jan
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Greif on 25 Jan , 2009, 13:46
Very very nice!  I agree with Jan that the pre-shading shows the oil canning quite well.
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 26 Jan , 2009, 05:05
Thanks guy for nice comments. ;)

Deck painting.
(http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/8707/deckpaining010mn9.jpg)
(http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/3412/deckpaining009jm3.jpg)
(http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/9049/deckpaining0011xx5.jpg)
(http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/7091/deckpaining008fl6.jpg)
(http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/4774/deckpaining005za7.jpg)
(http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/8697/deckpaining006iq9.jpg)

TBC...
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Greif on 26 Jan , 2009, 05:07
Nice work giving the deck a "worn look" Siara.  I think it adds character to your U-boat.
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Mr.Mox on 26 Jan , 2009, 05:18
Nice work, i like your use of brown for postshading, makes the hatches stand out.

Cheers/Jan
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: bracco_n on 26 Jan , 2009, 09:11
Incredible work Siara! it's just how I imagined it!

Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Rokket on 27 Jan , 2009, 00:44
waiting for the tiny bottle of champagne for the launch!
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Jan on 27 Jan , 2009, 10:28
Wooooooow...
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 27 Jan , 2009, 16:45
Thanks guys! ;D

I have painted all the black bits.
I mixed the black with grey, and it turned out darker than expected, so the white filter will be applied. The flat varnish after decals should tone it down also.
(http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/3770/czarnykiosk004sw7.jpg)
(http://img105.imageshack.us/img105/4641/u552kioskmm5.jpg)

TBC...
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 28 Jan , 2009, 04:51
Decals:
(http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/5302/kalki004ip9.jpg)
(http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/1287/kalki1001dc8.jpg)
(http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/9020/kalki1004ig2.jpg)
(http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/8324/kalki1002jb3.jpg)

TBC...
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Cezar on 28 Jan , 2009, 06:21
Siara, one quick question.
The deck, is it the final look of it ? Or there will be more paint on it ?
Not criticizing, just asking.
Cezar.
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 28 Jan , 2009, 06:27
The deck is just painted the base colour, and i will be adding the grey bits later, with oil stains and general grubiness later.
Filters will be also added. I was going to do the masking tool and apply the various filters imitating the deck planking, but i dont think thats the case in RL. Any suggestions?
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Mr.Mox on 28 Jan , 2009, 12:16
Looking good, is it the kit decals ?
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 28 Jan , 2009, 12:23
Looking good, is it the kit decals ?

Yes ;D
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 28 Jan , 2009, 14:26
Trim decals from AMP- thanks Wink! ;)
(http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/9388/kalki2003kr7.jpg)
(http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/3203/kalki3001sa2.jpg)
(http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/1644/kalki3004nc7.jpg)
(http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/8932/kalki3002av0.jpg)
(http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/3240/kalki3005ry0.jpg)
(http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/7387/kalki3003hm7.jpg)

TBC...
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: bracco_n on 28 Jan , 2009, 15:44
Looking great! How much weathering are you going to put on it?
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 28 Jan , 2009, 15:44
As for today it looks like so:
(http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/963/testshots001gv6.jpg)
(http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/1992/testshots007ua7.jpg)

 ;D
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Mr.Mox on 29 Jan , 2009, 01:50
Sweet, I wonder how many refittings at the yard after patrols those trimmarks would survive - where they welds or only painted on ?

Cheers/jan
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Rokket on 29 Jan , 2009, 04:30
Lovely paint shading/weathering on the interior bridge. She is getting close!
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: NZSnowman on 29 Jan , 2009, 11:22
Sweet, I wonder how many refittings at the yard after patrols those trimmarks would survive - where they welds or only painted on ?


Cheers/jan

I believe they were all welded, below is a picture of the Starboard middle. Also the other marks were welded. Second picture is using high contrast to enhance the picture.

(http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/3970/mark2et4.jpg) (http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/1197/mark3ix2.jpg) (http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/1928/mark1ys1.jpg)
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 29 Jan , 2009, 13:24
I thought they were welded on- ive seen the modern ships markings, and that was the case.
Thanks Simon for great pics. ;)

Postshading.
For bottom of the saddle tanks, and lower p. hull i postshaded using base colour mixed with Tamiya Smoke, and gradually i aded smoke, and finally black for the lowest surfaces.
(http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/4226/bottomshading001bx1.jpg)
(http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/8012/bottomshading004xi4.jpg)

TBC...
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 29 Jan , 2009, 17:32
The whole conning tower was sealed with Extracrylics flat varnish to protect the decals, and provide flat surface for filters.
All the black (remember it was too black) surfaces were lightened, and faded using the new MIG`s filter P404.
(http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/3806/filtrszarynaczarne003fr7.jpg)
Lovely jubbly! ;D
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Rokket on 30 Jan , 2009, 03:49
She sure looks beautiful
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Greif on 30 Jan , 2009, 05:30
Very beautiful!  Your airbrushing is first class.
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 31 Jan , 2009, 13:33
Thank you guys.
Applied further filters- P240 (Blue) for all light colour, and P-242 for areas under the rails, under hatches and so on.
Sealed the lot with gloss varnish ready for oils, and washes.
(http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/274/filter2002cp2.jpg)

I also cleaned the paint from GHG sensors.
(http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/1913/ghgfinal001mh9.jpg)

TBC...
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Mr.Mox on 31 Jan , 2009, 14:19
Looking good, heres some inspiration for weathering ...

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/26/Bundesarchiv_Bild_101II-MW-5566-24%2C_Wilhelmshaven%2C_U-Boot-M%C3%A4nner_mit_Eisernem_Kreuz.jpg)
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: bracco_n on 31 Jan , 2009, 15:08
Siara, do you have a date for the model? returning from patrol, putting to sea, on patrol?
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 31 Jan , 2009, 15:43
U-552 will be from 10-th of may 1941, the day she claimed her first deck gun victim- trawler Reykyaborg.
I will weather it, but not as much as on that picture i dont think. ;D

Brown wash applied:
(http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/8089/filter3001qd2.jpg)

TBC...
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 01 Feb , 2009, 06:22
While waiting for paint to cure before oils, the screws were installed.
The screws are Reboesh brass screws, weathered for 1 year in salty water, and vinegar.
(http://img131.imageshack.us/img131/2240/screws12002ch4.jpg)
(http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/3613/screws12003zy3.jpg)
(http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/6587/screws13002tc9.jpg)
(http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/1194/screws13009wy7.jpg)
(http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/2184/screws13005ai1.jpg)
(http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/8425/screws13001kf1.jpg)

TBC...
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 01 Feb , 2009, 08:37
Oils:
(http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/984/502002rz0.jpg)
(http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/4876/oils001mk0.jpg)
(http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/9798/oils003ig7.jpg)
(http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/1406/oils004nn1.jpg)
(http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/3472/oils005wp2.jpg)
(http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/7996/oils006gy6.jpg)

TBC...
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 02 Feb , 2009, 04:10
Paint fading below the waterline:
(http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/8808/waterlinefading006tj7.jpg)
(http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/1593/waterlinefading007qs6.jpg)
Now all the rusty streaks will stop at this line.
TBC...
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Mr.Mox on 02 Feb , 2009, 05:13
Nice work, guess you masked first?

The turret is shaping up nicely too, and a nice touch with the brass propellers.

Have you decided for a crew ?
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 02 Feb , 2009, 05:17
There will be crew. Long ago i bought 2 sets from Warrior- conning tower crew, and 88mm gun crew. ;)
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 02 Feb , 2009, 07:54
Masked few more times, and few different levels of fading applied.
(http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/861/waterlinefading1006jf4.jpg)
(http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/6632/waterlinefading10041uk5.jpg)
(http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/1879/waterlinefading10011gt1.jpg)
(http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/3450/waterlinefading10021tj2.jpg)

Looks almost good- few more touches, maybe some algae hue, and it will be done.
Now all the rusty streaks from the flood holes will dissolve on that line.
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: billp51d on 02 Feb , 2009, 09:16
           Siara..Any thought on a "scum" line...?
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 02 Feb , 2009, 09:22
           Siara..Any thought on a "scum" line...?
What exactly do you like to hear Bill?
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: billp51d on 02 Feb , 2009, 09:36
           Siara..Any thought on a "scum" line...?
What exactly do you like to hear Bill?
     Like to hear,Siara..?   Boats that sat in port for any amount of time developed a "scum line" from the oils and general waste in the water around them.. Have you any tought of creating this on your boat?
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 02 Feb , 2009, 10:58
Bill- i know what it is, but im not sure the U-552 had that line at this stage of her life.
10 may 1941- her third patrol. Actually second patrol, as she only sailed to Helgoland on one occasion when she developed the problem.
I thought the salty discolouration would be fine, but scum line- i dont know. Whats your oppinion? ???
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: billp51d on 02 Feb , 2009, 11:39
Bill- i know what it is, but im not sure the U-552 had that line at this stage of her life.
10 may 1941- her third patrol. Actually second patrol, as she only sailed to Helgoland on one occasion when she developed the problem.
I thought the salty discolouration would be fine, but scum line- i dont know. Whats your oppinion? ???
    Siara...I didn't really look at the history of your boat..but thought since your doing such detail with the paint..even to the algae growth, which is a nice touch..that perhaps you would add a "scum line" but I see your reasoning ...Bill
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Blitzen on 02 Feb , 2009, 11:58
Nice. Clean copper, flux and low-temp solder do the trick.
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: rabapla on 03 Feb , 2009, 01:40
I want barnacles! ;D
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: billp51d on 03 Feb , 2009, 06:40
I want barnacles! ;D
   That's a good one, rabapla ! I wished I had thought of it..!!  ;D
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Rokket on 05 Feb , 2009, 23:47
mmmmmmmm, very nice!
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 06 Feb , 2009, 09:34
Im slowly getting my head round painting the figures, and got myself few sets of paints.
Aparently best thing one can get for painting the figures.
(http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/9717/vallejo001jq2.jpg)
(http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/2733/vallejo004md0.jpg)

TBC...
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Greif on 06 Feb , 2009, 14:14
Your u-boat is really beautiful Siara.  Makes me want to take a hammer to mine!  :D
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 06 Feb , 2009, 15:22
Thanks Ernest. ;)

I got the figures out of the box, and decided on little dry fit:
(http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/6604/deckcrew002em7.jpg)
(http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/4692/deckcrew004vm4.jpg)
(http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/4342/deckcrew1001lt5.jpg)
(http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/1664/deckcrew1009ft7.jpg)
(http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/5221/deckcrew1002sf9.jpg)
(http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/3827/deckcrew1004rp3.jpg)
Some filling, flash cleaning, and sanding is required, but overall great figures.
TBC...
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Rokket on 06 Feb , 2009, 16:28
They are excellent figures and I'm sure you will paint them to perfection.
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Trierarch on 06 Feb , 2009, 17:32
Hello Siara,

I finally made it on this forum, and gee it is really impressive.

I can't wait to see these very nice figures painted. You got the right paints for sure, as I have painted quite a bit of soldiers with them (figurines were my main hobby for years).

I am certain that your figures will be up to the standard of the rest of your work, that is unbelievable!!!

Cheers

JL
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 07 Feb , 2009, 15:15
Thanks guys. I read some tutorials about painting the figures, and im looking forward to the challenge. It should be fun. ;)

I have filled all the seams with highly dilluted Milliput, and sanded em smooth. Figures then were washed in warm, soary water, and istalled on the bottle tops. Delicate mist of Tamiya Primer, and left to cure in empty Ferrero chocolates box.
(http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/821/deckcrewfilling001lj6.jpg)
(http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/1122/deckcrew2005xh5.jpg)
(http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/1654/deckcrew3002dp2.jpg)
(http://img160.imageshack.us/img160/1820/deckcrew3008si1.jpg)

TBC...
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: NZSnowman on 07 Feb , 2009, 15:32
(http://img160.imageshack.us/img160/1820/deckcrew3008si1.jpg)

Remembers me of the American science fiction television program in 1968
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 08 Feb , 2009, 07:05
Good one Simon. ;D

After checking the figs at good light for all the imperfections, ive sprayed the flat black as base for painting.
(http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/109/figuresblack001fj9.jpg)

TBC...
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: dougie47 on 08 Feb , 2009, 07:44
Hi Siara,

Fantastic to see your boat coming together nicely. I love the brown showing through the deck and the excellent rust streaks on the tower. In my opinion, the greatest difficulty in your U 552 project is getting your lower hull weathered accurately. I
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 08 Feb , 2009, 08:17
Thanks Dougie- ive redone the waterline since.
(http://img160.imageshack.us/img160/1347/scumline008oz3.jpg)
(http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/8193/scumline009mw5.jpg)
(http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/8987/scumline003fv5.jpg)

It almost looks like on the pictures you provided, all i have to do to fade below the waterline more.
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: dougie47 on 08 Feb , 2009, 08:19
Hello,

Wish I could remember where I got these images from. If anybody recognises them please could you post the links. The first set show a ship which has obviously been in the water for months. I'm NOT saying that U 552 should be anything like this at all. The VIICs were generally not at sea long enough (and had enough dry-docking opportunities) that they didn't end up as weathered as this. I'm posting them to show the different types of lower hull weathering when it gets to an advanced stage.

Rust and green slime -
(http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc118/dougie47/image_3.jpg)

The slime is not green on this part of the hull, it is lighter and yellower. Quite surprising as it is the same ship at the same time -
(http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc118/dougie47/image_4.jpg)

Note the hardened crud at the waterline. Also how the yellow does not extend all the way down to the very bottom of the hull -
(http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc118/dougie47/image_6.jpg)

This shot shows the same area as the photo above; the plantlife has been removed to show patches of rust and paint chipping -
(http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc118/dougie47/image_8.jpg)

Same ship, with no green/yellow slime on the underneath - 
(http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc118/dougie47/image_5.jpg)

More to come...
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: dougie47 on 08 Feb , 2009, 08:27
Hello,

More photos. Again these show much more weathering than U 552 would have had.

(http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc118/dougie47/image_5.jpg)

(http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc118/dougie47/temp1.jpg)

(http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc118/dougie47/temp4.jpg)

(http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc118/dougie47/temp2.jpg)

But again you can see the plantlife at the waterline. Lower down there are some patches of near white.

If a sub has been lying in port for ages the lower hull can get caked with plantlife -

(http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc118/dougie47/uss_ohio.jpg)

U-boats wouldn't get like that. I'm posting the image to show plant colours and how it diminishes the farther down the hull one looks. Can you tell where the waterline is?!

Last lot to come.
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: dougie47 on 08 Feb , 2009, 09:00
Hello Siara,

Last lot of photos. I took these at a few local marinas. I should point out that the water in these marinas was MUCH cleaner than the water in U-boat ports - hence no scumline. But they do show the colour of the minor plantlife at the waterline. The first two boats haven't been in the water for long -

(http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc118/dougie47/dm_grassweeds_3.jpg)

(http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc118/dougie47/dm_grassweeds_5.jpg)

This one shows dirt from the dirty water in the marina -

(http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc118/dougie47/dm_grassweeds.jpg)

These two have been in the water for much longer -

(http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc118/dougie47/dm_grassweeds_4.jpg)

(http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc118/dougie47/dm_grassweeds_2.jpg)

I hope all these images are useful. But even with them it is still difficult to gauge what U 552 would have looked like below the waterline.

The scumline you've recently added is excellent. It correlates with U 552 at the time you are doing the boat. You could get away with a minor bit of plantlife at the bottom of the scumline. The lower hull might look a bit messier than yours is at the moment. I guess it might be hard for you to mess up your pristine looking model! You know the series of photos in Steve Wiper's VII pictorial showing U 99 in dry-dock? Parts of the U 99 lower hull are very patchy. Again, I'm not saying that your U 552 would have been as patchy as U 99 (U 99 may have been at sea longer). But a number of dry-dock shots (U 453 in U-Boot im Focus 3 is a good example) show U-boat lower hulls looking very patchy. Wish they were in colour!

I wish I could help you more with exactly what U 552 would have looked like below the waterline. To be entirely frank, I'm not sure myself - just doing what I can to help you and others. As I said earlier, I reckon this part of your U 552 is the most challenging. With your skills you can find out what parts looked like and just build them. But the lower hull weathering is, to many of us, a largely unanswered subject - and certainly a subjective one. At least you have a great degree of artictic licence here. :)

Cheers,

Dougie
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: billp51d on 08 Feb , 2009, 09:16
       Dougie..Thanks for your efforts, and for clearing up some of the previously mention subjects (scum and barnacles). It will be of good use later when i'm ready for that stage...I'm doing mine in drydock. Your explanations are not only useful to me but to others ....I'm sure..
                                                                                          Bill
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: dougie47 on 08 Feb , 2009, 11:38
Hi Bill,

Very welcome. I know many are following Siara's build and will wonder about weathering their own lower hulls. I forgot two last photos. I shot these of a boat that was lying in a yard somewhere. It must have been in the water for a wee while to get caked with crud. The owner didn't apply a pressure hose to get rid of the crud when the boat came out the water...so I presume it would be harder to remove.

(http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc118/dougie47/lower_hull_weathering.jpg)

(http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc118/dougie47/lower_hull_weathering_2.jpg)

These shots (and some others I posted today) may not be of direct use to Siara's U 552 but I hope they can be of use to others who will follow in his footsteps.

Cheers from a snowy Scotland,

Dougie
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: NZSnowman on 08 Feb , 2009, 13:05
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Cheers from a snowy Scotland,

Dougie

Snowy Scotland sound better to me, than what we are getting down here in New Zealand at the moment. It only got to about +35
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 08 Feb , 2009, 14:31
Thanks Dougie for all the info, and fotos. I will use it to work further on the lower hull. I may use the hairspray technique, and salt technique to get the desired effect- it should be interesting. ;D

Taking advantage of my airbrush being loaded with flat black i sprayed the 20 mm gun.
Once dry i will use gunmetal pigments to finish it off.
(http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/1373/gunblack001ni7.jpg)
(http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/5898/gunblack002iw1.jpg)
(http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/2741/gunblack003ib9.jpg)

TBC...
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Greif on 09 Feb , 2009, 14:23
Hi Siara, the 2.0 cm is a real work of art.  Well done sir!

Ernest
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Mr.Mox on 09 Feb , 2009, 14:33
Me thinks me has to scratch me own 20 mm when time comes ...  ;D

Looking good!
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Trierarch on 09 Feb , 2009, 15:53
Hello Siarra,

I have this color photo of a Gato that I hope might help you.

(http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/4643/gato1om7.th.jpg) (http://img88.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gato1om7.jpg)

Cordially,

The corrosion might be too important compare to a U-boot, but it might be of interest.
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: NZSnowman on 10 Feb , 2009, 20:07
Hi Siara

Just wondering if you see the picture of U-995 on page 29 in Wolf Pack by Gordon Williamson?
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 12 Feb , 2009, 12:25
Hi Siara

Just wondering if you see the picture of U-995 on page 29 in Wolf Pack by Gordon Williamson?

To be honest with you- no i didnt. I have 5 books about Uboot`s by that fellow, but not this one. ::)

Thanks for the pictures guys- they will help me get the hull looking more realistic.
In order to get right surface for barnacles, and faded paint, with salty residue i bought the Roughcoat today- so i will be experimenting soon. Hope its gonna work out right.
The other 2 cans are Choas Black primer by Citadel- aparently best primer money can get for figure, and general model with PE painting. It sticks to metal like s*** to the showell. ;D
(http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/4482/primercitadel002va9.jpg)

TBC...
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: NZSnowman on 12 Feb , 2009, 12:52
Sorry Siara. I was mean to type U-552 not U-995 :-[ :-[ Maybe a little late in the build but just happen to see it the other day, and thought it maybe useful or you would like to see it if you had not see it before. I found it very interesting as two of the hatches are open. It the only picture I know of the main magnetic compass.

(http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/5041/u552as7.jpg)
Picture from Wolf Pack by Gordon Williamson
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 12 Feb , 2009, 15:03
I found it very interesting as two of the hatches are open. It the only picture I know of the main magnetic compass.

(http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/9262/radarba5.jpg)
 ;D
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: NZSnowman on 12 Feb , 2009, 15:14
Wonderful!!! What the hose for ???
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 12 Feb , 2009, 15:33
Wonderful!!! What the hose for ???

I dont know, but heres one without the hose.
(http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/3610/sonarxi9.jpg)
 ;)
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Rokket on 13 Feb , 2009, 04:25
Gold! Wish I'd had these when I was modellig my hatch open...grrrrr
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 13 Feb , 2009, 16:18
OK- i know you all been waiting for the next batch of pictures, so here it is- painting the figures.
I started with the skin.
(http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/3745/vallejomediumflesh003jh7.jpg)
(http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/7563/vallejobasicskintone001qj8.jpg)
(http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/2879/vallejolightflesh001zu8.jpg)
(http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/8697/migtanfilterds7.jpg)
(http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/763/migwash002el6.jpg)

Next i will paint the beards, hair and clothes. At the end i may put some shadows ie: eyesockets with some oils. Well see...

TBC...
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 14 Feb , 2009, 06:30
Base colours for clothes applied. Now i will use some filters, and apply hair, and shadows with oils. Dry pigments to finish the job. I may do the insignia also
(http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/4822/clothes001wc0.jpg)
(http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/1553/clothes003bz9.jpg)
(http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/6360/clothes1002xj6.jpg)

TBC...
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 14 Feb , 2009, 10:38
Figures are finished. Almost. All i have to do is paint the insignia now.
(http://img162.imageshack.us/img162/8981/figuresfinal007tr5.jpg)
(http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/8544/figuresfinal005tz7.jpg)
(http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/3149/figuresfinal004vg0.jpg)
(http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/3618/figuresfinal006av9.jpg)

TBC...
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Rokket on 16 Feb , 2009, 00:04
BEAUTIFUL, very real, very nice deatil, you've done it!
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Mr.Mox on 16 Feb , 2009, 02:43
Good work on the crew, makes a huge difference on the display.

Cheers/Jan
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: billp51d on 16 Feb , 2009, 05:28
Wonderful!!! What the hose for ???
   Simon..not sure about the hose...could be attached to "test" equipment..But about our previous discussions on "tethers"...note the chain tether on the hatch connecting it to the main structure...Bill
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 18 Feb , 2009, 13:28
I was slightly bored with my boat, and decided to take break for few days. Instead i started preparations for my next project- ESCI BMW R-75 in 1/9 scale.
I will attempt to make working lights for it, and this is my first effort with LED:
(http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/1622/rig005jy8.jpg)
(http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/6053/rig006kh0.jpg)

 ;)
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Greif on 18 Feb , 2009, 13:40
Siara, you've created a real work of art with your boat and crew.  It is simply beautiful to look at.  Well done sir!
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Rokket on 21 Feb , 2009, 00:35
Bored? THAT's why you go crazy on detail and precision
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 22 Feb , 2009, 06:39
Im slowly closing the build.
Work on the 88mm has started:
(http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/134/88mmburell002.jpg)
(http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/7936/88mmburell1.jpg)
(http://img160.imageshack.us/img160/698/88mmburell2002.jpg)
(http://img160.imageshack.us/img160/9022/88mmburell2004.jpg)
(http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/5859/88mmburell2006.jpg)

TBC...
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Mr.Mox on 22 Feb , 2009, 07:43
Hey, are you really going to use some of the kit gun :D - just kidding, looking good so far - is the barrel hollow ?

Cheers/Jan
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: billp51d on 22 Feb , 2009, 07:49
      ..And are you adding the rifleing..It's a right hand twist...   ;D
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 22 Feb , 2009, 08:06
Its already done by Schatton. ;D
Superb quality barrel i must say. Its hollow, and fits well.
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 22 Feb , 2009, 09:04
(http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/2637/88mmburell3002.jpg)
(http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/4192/88mmburell3004.jpg)
(http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/2214/88mmburell3006.jpg)
(http://img128.imageshack.us/img128/7430/88mmburell3009.jpg)

TBC...
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 22 Feb , 2009, 10:11
In order to make painting process much simple, the hole was drilled, and pin was made from copper wire.

(http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/5463/88mmburell4002.jpg)
(http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/4829/88mmburell4004.jpg)

TBC...
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Greif on 22 Feb , 2009, 14:37
Very nice 8.8cm!  Did you make the recoil compensators?
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 22 Feb , 2009, 15:05
Yes. Thats the brass tubing with copper wire soldered inside, and turned in my dremel tool Ernest. I must say- dremel soldering iron, and dremel tool were the 2 best buys since i have started model making. I couldny go without them. ;)
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 23 Feb , 2009, 10:18
Base of the gun getting the overhaul:

(http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/8954/88mmburell5001.jpg)
(http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/4190/88mmburell5002.jpg)
(http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/9775/88mmburell5003.jpg)
(http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/8333/88mmburell5005.jpg)
(http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/5489/88mmburell5006.jpg)
(http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/3350/88mmburell5007.jpg)

TBC...
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: wildspear on 23 Feb , 2009, 10:53
The more you do the more that I see I can do. Thanks for the inspiration.
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 23 Feb , 2009, 15:17
You welcome Wildspear! ;)

This component is made from 8 little parts- all scratch built:
(http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/3323/88mmburell6003.jpg)
(http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/3434/88mmburell6006.jpg)
(http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/9496/88mmburell6007.jpg)
(http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/773/88mmburell7001.jpg)

TBC...
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: bracco_n on 23 Feb , 2009, 16:27
WOW!! I never imagined such detail! Well done! Will there be a gun crew?
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 23 Feb , 2009, 16:29
WOW!! I never imagined such detail! Well done! Will there be a gun crew?

Yes- Warrior 3 gun figures.
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: NZSnowman on 23 Feb , 2009, 20:18
Hi Siara

Here a view of U-552 that you may have not see before ;)

(http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/1506/u552.th.jpg) (http://img7.imageshack.us/my.php?image=u552.jpg)
Purging the ballasts at the start of a dive on U-552
U-BOOTE CREWS: Daily Life, 1939 - 1945 by Jean Delize
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: NZSnowman on 23 Feb , 2009, 20:32
and...

(http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/500/u9951.th.jpg) (http://img3.imageshack.us/my.php?image=u9951.jpg)
On U-552, clothes and salted meats were hung in all available spaces.
U-BOOTE CREWS: Daily Life, 1939 - 1945 by Jean Delize
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 23 Feb , 2009, 23:47
Nice find Simon! Thank you.
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Rokket on 27 Feb , 2009, 00:37
You must be feeling pretty good, Siara! She's really a beauty!
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: NZSnowman on 27 Feb , 2009, 00:48
Thanks Rokket- your model was the inspiration. ;)

After studying the pictures time, and time again i spoted small part of the bow, that isnt shown on any plans i have, and never been replicated on the model before.
Heres few pics of the part, and quick mock up i created of how i see it. Does anyone know what that actualy is?
Is it part of the GHG, and if so- was it present on U-552?
Dougie- Blohm & Voss yard needs you. ;D

(http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/7899/pa100024sa7up4.jpg)
(http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/3254/vii3lv1.jpg)
(http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/4938/planbowjd2.jpg)

Thanks in advance.

Hi Siara

Did you have any luck workout what this is? Could it be something to do with the net cutter?
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 27 Feb , 2009, 14:29
Thanks Rokket- im pleased with the result, but im still working on her- maybe i can make her look even better. ;)

Simon- i still dont know what the part is there for, but if you ever find out, please let me know. :D
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 01 Mar , 2009, 05:39
(http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/8402/88mmgundetail001.jpg)
(http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/1710/88mmgundetail004.jpg)
(http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/8171/88mmgundetail006.jpg)
(http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/6674/88mmgundetail1001.jpg)
(http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/9532/88mmgundetail1002.jpg)
(http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/9899/88mmgundetail10031.jpg)

TBC...
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Greif on 01 Mar , 2009, 11:03
Suberb work as always my friend!
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Rokket on 02 Mar , 2009, 01:04
are you suuuure you don't have a shrinking ray, and aren't just shrinking real stuff?
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 03 Mar , 2009, 17:12
 ;D

Im slowly getting to grips with the optics:
(http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/6996/88mmgundetail20051.jpg)
(http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/7730/88mmgundetail2007.jpg)

TBC...
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: warnster68 on 03 Mar , 2009, 17:37
Hi all,

New member at the request of Rokket....he said I'd find a lot of info on the AMP forum and after the past couple of days going trough the discussion groups he was not wrong.

My main modeling back ground has been 1/35 Germain artillery dioramas but I've always had a desire to build a U-Boat.  So, here goes.

Have purchased the Revel VIIC (5015 Kit) and am just waiting for the after market parts, PE, figures etc  to arrive.
My plan is to make a water level diorama of the U-552 (or 557....not sure yet....any real difference between the two?) with provisions and torpedoes being loaded at sea.

As I have 3 kids and a wife and work as a TV Commercial Producer, "ME" time to build this sucker will probably take over a year. YIKES.
If I don't reply to any of your questions or answers right away you now know why.

In viewing Rokket's utterly amazing 557 and seeing the masterful work Siara is doing on his 552 I'm hoping to learn as much as I can to make my VIIC a piece I'd be proud of.


I do have a few questions.....

Did 557 or 552 both have wood decks?

I purchased the the Czech Masters Winch for loading torpedoes at sea (CZN2007) but do also have need the Winch kit CZN2009) that mounts rigging to the conning tower?

Siara....just amazed at your work...your shrink ray works well.  How do you make the bolts that you show at the base of the periscope tower?

Secondly, what type of Koki paste are you using as there are several different types?
I've found a North American company that apparently sells the stuff...just have to call them with specifics.

Thanks everyone and I look forward to seeing and reading more about your projects.

Warren.



Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Greif on 04 Mar , 2009, 00:23
Hi and welcome warnster68!  I hope you continue to enjoy the forum.

To answer a couple of your questions:

Both U552 and U557 had wooden decks, the early war slotted versions.  "Nautilus Models" sells a very nice wooden deck for Revell kit 5015, the one you want is Model 72-501 if you are planning to use a wooden deck that is.

There were slight differences between U552 and U557.  Of course Wink and Siara are the experts there and will be able to give you alot of great information concerning the two.  Another excellent source of information is the "U-BOATS: Type VIIC Free-Flooding Vent Patterns" pamphlet by Dougie Martindale along with his equally excellent "U-BOATS: Kriegmarine U-Boat Colours & Markings".  Both can be found at the AMP Website under "Library" button.

The first CMK Torpedo Loading Winch is the one you want.  The setup is very much the same as the CZN2009, though there are some differences.  The instructions do a good job showing you how it should be displayed.  There are also several photos at various internet sites that show torpedos being loaded at sea.

I will see what I can dig up as far as links.  The Gallery right here has some great photos, so it is a good place to start.

Again, welcome!

Ernest 



Hi all,

New member at the request of Rokket....he said I'd find a lot of info on the AMP forum and after the past couple of days going trough the discussion groups he was not wrong.

My main modeling back ground has been 1/35 Germain artillery dioramas but I've always had a desire to build a U-Boat.  So, here goes.

Have purchased the Revel VIIC (5015 Kit) and am just waiting for the after market parts, PE, figures etc  to arrive.
My plan is to make a water level diorama of the U-552 (or 557....not sure yet....any real difference between the two?) with provisions and torpedoes being loaded at sea.

As I have 3 kids and a wife and work as a TV Commercial Producer, "ME" time to build this sucker will probably take over a year. YIKES.
If I don't reply to any of your questions or answers right away you now know why.

In viewing Rokket's utterly amazing 557 and seeing the masterful work Siara is doing on his 552 I'm hoping to learn as much as I can to make my VIIC a piece I'd be proud of.


I do have a few questions.....

Did 557 or 552 both have wood decks?

I purchased the the Czech Masters Winch for loading torpedoes at sea (CZN2007) but do also have need the Winch kit CZN2009) that mounts rigging to the conning tower?

Siara....just amazed at your work...your shrink ray works well.  How do you make the bolts that you show at the base of the periscope tower?

Secondly, what type of Koki paste are you using as there are several different types?
I've found a North American company that apparently sells the stuff...just have to call them with specifics.

Thanks everyone and I look forward to seeing and reading more about your projects.

Warren.




Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: warnster68 on 04 Mar , 2009, 11:42
Hi Greif, thanks for the welcome and reply to my quarries.

Wood Decks, perfect.  I'll order the deck. Thanks.

I'll check out the books you mentioned....I think I'm leaning towards the 552 (late war period) at the moment.

As for the Winch....I thought I only needed the one kit but the descriptions at Squadron didn't give that much detail.

Had a look at the U-Tube link Wink posted on the footage of a torpedo being loaded at sea.  Definitely not the way I will depict the scene in my dio.
Fun  to watch though.

Thanks for the help and yes, have spent many an hour pouring over the gallery and it's links.
There is some fantastic talent out there that is for sure.

Best regards,
Warren.



Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 05 Mar , 2009, 01:53
Slowly, but surely...
(http://img116.imageshack.us/img116/9884/88mmgundetail3006.jpg)
(http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/6899/88mmgundetail3003.jpg)
(http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/6853/88mmgundetail3004.jpg)

TBC...
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: bracco_n on 05 Mar , 2009, 09:50
Incredible stuff! Nice!
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 05 Mar , 2009, 13:49
Incredible stuff! Nice!

Thanks mate!

Some more detail:
(http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/2946/88mmgundetail4002.jpg)
(http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/7391/88mmgundetail4003.jpg)
(http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/3739/88mmgundetail4004.jpg)
(http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/3314/88mmgundetail4005.jpg)

TBC...
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 05 Mar , 2009, 15:09
(http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/2153/88mmgundetail5001.jpg)
(http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/5365/88mmgundetail5002.jpg)

TBC...
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Rokket on 07 Mar , 2009, 05:06
That's just crap, Siara, that match stick looks fake! It's too big t be real against your REAL deck gun... ;D

Beautiful, as always. I am assuming that you have (in addition to amazing talent): no partner, no job, unlimited funds...right?

Cheers,
WG
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: warnster68 on 07 Mar , 2009, 09:53
amazing stuff Siara.  All your solder points done with that Koki paste?  Very clean...would love to see a tutorial on how you apply and solder that stuff.
Warren.

PS...and ya, that match stick just stinks...very fake looking. shame on you.
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: wildspear on 07 Mar , 2009, 10:00
thats a good idea, we all enjoy your work and marvel at the detail. A short "how to" on your soldering would be a godsend to us all. Since seeing your work I am in the process of getting soldering equipment so I can try my hand at scratch building rails and such.
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 07 Mar , 2009, 10:03
Thanks guys. Its nice to hear such encouraging words. ;)

All the soldering is done with Koki paste. Its so easy to solder using that stuff, the tutorial is not necessary. Just get the tube of that paste, and start soldering. Its that easy.
What i do is, get the pinhead size dot on one of the soldered parts, align the other part to be soldered, and either apply heat via the torch ( few seconds will suffice ), or using the iron tip i will hold the tip against one of the soldered parts, untill the paste starts sweating- thats the point when the joint is ready. With the later method you can solder real close to some of the already made joints. I was soldering parts as close as 2mm from another joint, and it didnt run.

That paste leaves no buildup, and the joints are real clean. Few strokes with soft wire brush will produce amazingly tight solder work.

Heres the good tutorial from my friend Sergionex on polish model forum. I know its in polish, but good pictures will show you step by step how is done.
http://pwm.org.pl/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=1867&p=17871&hilit=+pasta+koki#p17871 (http://pwm.org.pl/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=1867&p=17871&hilit=+pasta+koki#p17871)
Hope it helps.
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: warnster68 on 07 Mar , 2009, 18:57
The paste sounds amazinging and looks so easy to use.

I found the Koki website for anyone wanting to inquire about the paste and where they might be able to purchase it.
http://www.ko-ki.co.jp/product/product1.html

There are several paste products but I think the one we want is TB48-M741. It's has the lowest melting point.
I've written to the "Product Inquiry" section of the website and e-mailed the North American distributor but have not had a reply as of yet.
If anyone else gets info on the paste and where to buy it please post.

Siera, your friend in Poland...does he own a hobby store that stocks the stuff and does he ship to N.A. (or better yet, have a website)

As "wildspear" has done, I've started buying solder material and the Koti paste is the only thing missing.

Looking forward to Siara's next set of pictures !!!!

Warren.
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 08 Mar , 2009, 01:18
The best type of Koki paste for our hobby seems to be the 4- M954 type.
The make up of the paste being:  Sn62% Pb36% Ag2%
Melting point for that paste is reached at ~210deg C
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 08 Mar , 2009, 16:21
Schoulder supports:
(http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/2255/schoulderstraps006.jpg)
(http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/2654/schoulderstraps005.jpg)
(http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/8346/schoulderstraps002.jpg)
(http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/2527/schoulderstraps1002.jpg)
(http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/6231/schoulderstraps1003.jpg)
(http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/6711/schoulderstraps1005.jpg)

TBC...
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: bracco_n on 08 Mar , 2009, 16:53
Good job! Is the gun crew already painted?
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 08 Mar , 2009, 17:16
I havent yet started the 88mm gun crew. I need to finish the gun first, and then align all the limbs to fit the gun.
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Rokket on 09 Mar , 2009, 02:33
reeeally, as always, amazing
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Mr. Bill on 09 Mar , 2009, 21:41
The level of craftsmanship here is outstanding!  Seeing this is an inspiration for me to improve my work and try new techniques.  I only wish my 50 year old eyeballs were in better shape!

Regards,

Bill
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 10 Mar , 2009, 08:59
Thanks guys!
Schoulder supports are ready, few more details, and gun will be done.
(http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/8261/schoulderstraps2005.jpg)
(http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/6107/schoulderstraps2007.jpg)
(http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/9759/schoulderstraps2009.jpg)
(http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/3670/schoulderstraps2010.jpg)
(http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/5820/schoulderstraps3001.jpg)
(http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/5163/schoulderstraps3004.jpg)

TBC...
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 10 Mar , 2009, 15:31
Gun finished:

(http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/6025/schoulderstraps4013.jpg)
(http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/228/schoulderstraps4015.jpg)
(http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/9172/schoulderstraps4016.jpg)
(http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/9792/schoulderstraps4010.jpg)
(http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/4056/schoulderstraps4012.jpg)
(http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/1185/schoulderstraps4011.jpg)
(http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/6466/schoulderstraps5001.jpg)
(http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/421/schoulderstraps5002.jpg)
(http://img119.imageshack.us/img119/3686/schoulderstraps5003.jpg)
(http://img119.imageshack.us/img119/9854/schoulderstraps5004.jpg)
(http://img119.imageshack.us/img119/2636/schoulderstraps5005.jpg)
(http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/3047/schoulderstraps5006.jpg)
(http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/9971/schoulderstraps5007.jpg)
(http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/3603/schoulderstraps5008.jpg)

TBC...
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Mr.Mox on 11 Mar , 2009, 02:10
Nice, very nice. Looks much more "busy" than the kit parts alone.

Cheers/Jan
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Rokket on 11 Mar , 2009, 02:33
yet another real miniature!
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: GlennCauley on 18 Mar , 2009, 10:16
(http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc118/dougie47/extra_doublers.jpg)

Before I forget, have you added the 2 doublers (the strengthening strips) that were located behind the forward planes? The green arrow points to them. Neither of the doublers are on the Revell kit. I'm not sure these 2 doublers were quite as wide as the other doublers on the hull casing but it is hard to be sure. You can also see them on page 25 and page 27 of Steve Wiper's pictorial book. 

Cheers,

Dougie

I have a question about the lower doubler as shown in your pic.

The lower doubler starts near the bottom of the casing (just above the keel) and goes fowards and upwards.

But where does it end?

a) ends in line with the upper doubler
b) ends at the rear edge of the lower flooding vents
c) continues all the way forward to below the lower torpedo door

I noticed that in the Modelbrass PE lower flooding vents, there are the top 3 rows of vents... then a wide gap... then the remaining 5 rows of vents.
(http://www.travel-net.com/~gcauley/U673/images/IMG_1449.jpg)

From your line drawing, if the lower doubler went all the way forward, it looks like it would pass through that wide gap in the lower flooding vents and continue forward.

However, where your line drawing shows the end of that doubler ending below the lower torpedo door, on the model it would end up at the bow plane pivot hole.  Maybe it's an error in the PE vents, but to make the doubler pass through that wide gap in the PE vents... the angle makes it end in the wrong place.

Hopefully this last part makes sense... if not then I'll take a pic of my model with the proposed path of the doubler drawn on it.
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 18 Mar , 2009, 11:22
Glenn- you absolutly right. If you install the PE flood holes for the bottom of the hull at the bow, the doubler should go through the gap in the middle of the plate. However, this means, that if the PE was installed correctly , the doublers would finish at the bow planes pivot point. This is exactly how i made my doubler look.
According to pictures ive seen the doublers should extend further- in line with the other doublers on the port side, and on the starboard sie it would be longer then other doublers, still simetrical on both sides- (remember the starboard doublers- top, and the midle one are slightly shorter)
Hope it helps.

Siara
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: dougie47 on 19 Mar , 2009, 06:18
Hi Glenn & Siara,

Well done lads on noticing this. You are both right. The Modelbrass part isn't right. When the Modelbrass set was being designed I send the designer a drawing of the free-flooding holes in this area. However, rather than adjusting the "height" of the piece, he left it as it was. As he was very keen to be first to the market he didn't allow enough time to correct this. Only about a year later, when I was researching the doublers in this area, did I realise there was a major problem here. I realised exactly as you did - how the hell can a doubler run through this piece to a point under the dive planes? It was at that point it became obvious that the height of the piece is wrong.

The best photo of this area is of U 99. It is a VIIB rather than a VIIC but I think the doublers were the same -

(http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc118/dougie47/VIIB_U99_6.jpg)

Forget the white arrows, they were for something else. You can see that a thick doubler runs up until the holes. Then a much narrower doubler runs through between the two groups of holes and then up to a point as shown on my U 47 side profile.

I'd copy what Siara has done in this area - it disguises the problem very well.

Best of luck,

Dougie
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: GlennCauley on 19 Mar , 2009, 07:16
The best photo of this area is of U 99. It is a VIIB rather than a VIIC but I think the doublers were the same -

(http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc118/dougie47/VIIB_U99_6.jpg)

You can see that a thick doubler runs up until the holes. Then a much narrower doubler runs through between the two groups of holes and then up to a point as shown on my U 47 side profile.

Okay, so we aren't all suffering from mass dillusion then!  LOL
From this pic, it looks like a doubler up the the rearmost edge of the holes... but then through the holes and forward it looks like a weld bead on the casing rather than a doubler... or perhaps a single rivet-row strengthening strip?
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: dougie47 on 20 Mar , 2009, 10:46
Hi Glenn,

Not sure, if I had to guess I'd say a single rivet-row strengthening strip. Have a good weekend.

Cheers,

Dougie
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 20 Mar , 2009, 12:19
Looking at the picture sounds about right.
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: GlennCauley on 20 Mar , 2009, 15:11
Looking at the picture sounds about right.

Which one sounds right?   ;)

The reason I think it may be a weld line forward of the bottom "new" doubler:

Look at the top "new" doubler... it ends at the rear of the vents... and then a 45
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 22 Mar , 2009, 06:57
Im back in the shipyard, and work started on the 88mm gun crew.
Im using Warriors set.
After asembly i cut out the imitation of the 88mm projectile from the hands of the loader- i will turn the new one from brass.
(http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/3655/gunfigs001.jpg)
(http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/4170/gunfigs005.jpg)

TBC...
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 22 Mar , 2009, 10:14
(http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/9084/gunfigs2002.jpg)
(http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/3540/gunfigs1001.jpg)

 ;D
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: wildspear on 22 Mar , 2009, 10:18
Could you post a pic on your turning set up? Fantastic work on the shell.
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 22 Mar , 2009, 10:34
Could you post a pic on your turning set up? Fantastic work on the shell.

Thanks Wildspear!
Nothing fancy- just plain set of tools.
Heres the shot of my turning/drilling set up:
(http://img239.imageshack.us/img239/9888/setup001.jpg)

...and soldering tools:
(http://img239.imageshack.us/img239/9103/setup002.jpg)

Im dreaming of the proper lathe....
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: bracco_n on 22 Mar , 2009, 13:57
Fantastic as usual! May I ask for a photo of your hand holding the 88? I would like to see the size related to the hand and see the full scale of your work.
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 22 Mar , 2009, 15:25
Fantastic as usual! May I ask for a photo of your hand holding the 88? I would like to see the size related to the hand and see the full scale of your work.

(http://img128.imageshack.us/img128/5766/handsize003.jpg)

 ;D
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 22 Mar , 2009, 16:42
Im sure you are going to like this set of test shots. ;)
(http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/5474/figs004.jpg)
(http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/1105/figs003.jpg)

TBC...
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 23 Mar , 2009, 16:59
I have aded the sights for the aimer, and the bracket only on the other side.

(http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/4815/sights002.jpg)
(http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/2756/sights006.jpg)

The whole gun was sprayed Chaos Black primer.
(http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/4831/sights1003.jpg)
(http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/8531/sights1004.jpg)
(http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/9287/sights1006.jpg)

The support on the aimers side is extended to fit the figure, and on the other side one is in stowed possition.

TBC...
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Rokket on 24 Mar , 2009, 00:40
very real looking, such detail!
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: bracco_n on 24 Mar , 2009, 19:08
WOOOOW that
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Post by: Mr.Mox on 25 Mar , 2009, 01:23
Sweet looking
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 25 Mar , 2009, 12:43
Sweet looking
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 26 Mar , 2009, 03:22
Started painting the gun.
(http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/5381/gunpaint002.jpg)
(http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/3962/gunpaint1002.jpg)
(http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/2964/gunpaint2002.jpg)
(http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/5724/gunpaint3001.jpg)


... and the base colour for figures:
(http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/7720/gunpaint3007.jpg)
TBC...
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: warnster68 on 26 Mar , 2009, 16:49
Such great stuff....I finally got all my supplies and kit so am just itching to start my build.
Finding Koki paste has been a little tricky but I did finally find a Canadian suppler but the cost if fairly high and the ship time is 6 weeks so I'm going back to the solder wire....where I did find a 0.3mm wire.

Your U 552 sight is a great resource and I've studied it (and this forum) extensively. This build will be a real scratch building challenge for me and the one question I had for you regarding scratch built parts made from thin brass sheeting was how do YOU cut the brass sheets into such small parts?

Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 26 Mar , 2009, 17:08
Thanks!  ;D

Im glad you like the model.
First things first- Koki paste. I know the producer gives it 6 months lifespan, but i keep mine in the fridge, and is still as good as new. In fact i know people that use it for good few years, and is still OK. Key is to keep it in the cool, dry, dark place.
The paste may seem to be bit pricey, but believe me- NOTHING BEATS KOKI! If you take jump, and invest in it, you will never go back to solder, and flux. It will last you forever and the results are easy to see in this thread. Trust me- order it today. ;)

Regarding the brass manufacture- i cut it using scisors as close i can, and then holding it in tweezers i work on the piece with various grade files, and sandpaper. If i need the ring i drill first, and work the outsides after. Amazing what one can do his way. Wih the little patience and practice nothing is impossible. ;D
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: warnster68 on 27 Mar , 2009, 19:32
Thanks Siara for your input....my Koki supplier says the paste can be messy and that the wire may be a better choice but seeing the work you have done with the paste I will get the paste and just see what happens.
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 28 Mar , 2009, 07:09
(http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/7876/gunpaint4003.jpg)
(http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/3925/gunpaint5004.jpg)
(http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/6454/gunpaint5007.jpg)

TBC...
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Rokket on 28 Mar , 2009, 21:35
Nicely weathered and ready for firing!
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 29 Mar , 2009, 05:16
Thanks Rokket. ;)

Weathering cont.
First the oil stains:
(http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/4265/gunpaint6001.jpg)
(http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/6194/gunpaint6003.jpg)

Then the soft pencil for raw metal scratches.
(http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/9144/gunpaint7001.jpg)
(http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/5343/gunpaint8006.jpg)

TBC...
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 29 Mar , 2009, 07:31
(http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/4536/gunpaint9002.jpg)
(http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/8449/gunpaint10002.jpg)

 ;D
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 29 Mar , 2009, 09:34
(http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/8048/crewfinal006.jpg)
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Mr.Mox on 29 Mar , 2009, 14:06
So, you are getting close - a bit of rigging and thats it ?

Looks good and I must say those MIG washes works well!

Cheers/Jan
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Trierarch on 31 Mar , 2009, 15:16
Hi Siarra,

I'm back after a few weeks on the road, and I cant believe what incredible work you have been doing since. Just superb craftsmanship. I think that you are getting very close to the end now and that the rigging will be piece of cake, even if you have to model all the oval shapes tighteners.

Good luck for your completion. As of me the modeling season is over until next fall. I knew it before hand, and in the upcoming months I might get only a few hours a month to model.

Keep up your fantastic work.

Cheers
 ;)
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 31 Mar , 2009, 15:25
The list of things to do:
Finish painting the deck
Finish weathering the hull
Attach the capstan, and KDB
Insert the lights
Weather, and attach the 20mm
Rigging- complete scratch
Screw the model onto new wooden base- which needs to be stained, and insignia need to be placed on
Cover the model with glass cabinet, and crack open the biggest bottle of Becks i can find
. ;)
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Rokket on 01 Apr , 2009, 00:44
God idea saving that Becks for the end, otherwise the rest might not get done.
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Post by: Siara on 04 Apr , 2009, 05:27
I have uploaded 27 new images of U-552 on my blog.  ;)
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 05 Apr , 2009, 07:29
Rigging.

This is the part of the project, where scratch building will be required.
Revells parts are completely unuseable:
(http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/945/izolatory001.jpg)
(http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/2821/izolatory002.jpg)

Real life picture:
(http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/8162/259k.jpg)

I discarded the revells parts altogether, and designed the "mother" isolator from 2 separate oval brass discs, and after sloting each of them half way through the middle, soldered them together.
(http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/3743/izolatory1003.jpg)
(http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/765/izolatory1004.jpg)

My friend from Poland promissed to make 30 of them from resin, using the "mother" to make mould.
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: wildspear on 05 Apr , 2009, 08:06
Siara,
I don't remember if I asked this before... What kind of camera are you using to take your photo's.
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 05 Apr , 2009, 08:17
Siara,
I don't remember if I asked this before... What kind of camera are you using to take your photo's.
Canon IXUS 70 Digital, mounted on Star 700 EF Digital tripod.
Really inexpensive set up, but so simple, and easy to use. Ive been happy with this camera for last 2 years. So much so- my father, an my friend use them also.
I believe you can pick one for about 100
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: dougie47 on 05 Apr , 2009, 10:23
Hi Siara,

Great work as usual. I didn't say but your 88mm is exceptional, weathering excellent too. It doesn't look like 72nd scale - looks like a much bigger size.

I hope your mate from Poland can produce your insulators in resin. I contacted a professional modelmaker years ago to try and get insulators made for my old Amati boat. He couldn't do them because of the small size and air bubbles. But hopefully your mate will fare better as they would be VERY useful.

Cheers,

Dougie
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: warnster68 on 05 Apr , 2009, 18:30
If he makes 60 I'll buy 30 !!!
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: GlennCauley on 08 Apr , 2009, 06:28
when i made my insulators for my U625, i used the kit ones, cut them up, and made 4 furrows in each one with a fine-edge file.

let me know how yours turn out!   would be a great item to sell.

Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: vonbulowfla on 08 Apr , 2009, 19:47
siara' yes mate those 'mothers you made are top shelf . as for the camera whats that price in us dollars .150.00 ami close i know somewhere out there i cyberspace there is a conversion chart . to f------ tired or should i say lazy to find it ! anyway you know you get nothing but praise from me on your boat ladd gooday . let us know how those insulators  come along . peace to all ! :)
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Rokket on 09 Apr , 2009, 02:35
Nice dwg and technique, Glenn!
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Jeff Douglas on 09 Apr , 2009, 11:04
Greetings Siara-I am both new to Sub modeling and to this forum. Your work is an inspiration and education for me. I have followed Glenn's and Wink's work also. All of you set the standard for others to try some of your techniques. Thanks all of you for sharing your knowledge with others.
I have begun a 1/72nd scale diorama with both a Flower Class Corvette and a Type VII-C U-boat having built mostly 1/35th figures and armour over the years.I felt the need to change inorder to restimulate my love for the hobby.You guys have helped.
Sincerely- Jeff Douglas
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Rokket on 09 Apr , 2009, 19:10
Glad to hear it, Jeff, welcome aboard and post some pix!
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 14 Apr , 2009, 13:01
While waiting for the insulators i made the hand drawing of the rigging with all the components that will be needed:
(http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/2552/drawing002.jpg)
(http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/2082/drawing003.jpg)

TBC...
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: vonbulowfla on 14 Apr , 2009, 13:33
siara ' nice drawings mate . cant wait to see the final product . ;)
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: bracco_n on 15 Apr , 2009, 08:53
So you are also a fine drawer!
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: NZSnowman on 24 Apr , 2009, 22:38
Hi Siara, I just found this on the net of U-552. It may be useful for the rigging etc or have you see it before? :)

<a href="http://imageshack.us" target="_blank">[img width= height= alt=" border="0]http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/9710/u5522.jpg[/img][/url]
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 25 Apr , 2009, 15:48
Yeah- i know the picture, but thanks anyway! ;)
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: warnster68 on 18 May , 2009, 09:20
Hi Siara....how's the progress on the rigging coming as I haven't seen any posts lately. 
Warren.

Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Rokket on 21 May , 2009, 05:31
SHHH, I' supposed to be casting some bits for him...SHHHH!!!!
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 22 May , 2009, 00:39
SHHH, I' supposed to be casting some bits for him...SHHHH!!!!

 ;)  Waiting patiently.  ;D
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Rokket on 22 May , 2009, 03:30
MAAAAYbe this weekend...
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: vonbulowfla on 22 May , 2009, 06:38
whats the holdup ladd's . off to the pub thennnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn for a few .and a few more . and so on and so on. :'(
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Rokket on 22 May , 2009, 16:16
Casting Type II parts, Gato Torpedo Shutters sets, that pesky 7-3 job (that always spills over), a wife, and a a few dozen other unrelated projects - once my complete control of time and space is assured, THEN...bwahahahahahahahahah
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: wildspear on 22 May , 2009, 16:45
I think someone is playing a Fiddle.......enough talk get the lead out and get working........   :)
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Rokket on 26 May , 2009, 05:37
I made a mold over the weekend, first cast was horribly unsuccessful, cut mold down and tried agin, same luck. The resin is too thick to make it into the tiny cavity, even with help.

BUT, Iam pretty sure there's a profile in plastic that fits these...a "+" profile strip thcould have the ends rounded....
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 29 May , 2009, 16:22
Thanks for trying Wink.
Im sure i can come up with something suitable.
Im slightly busy with the Kettenwagen project at the moment, but once i calm my skin down a bit, i will jump on the boat again. ;D
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Rokket on 30 May , 2009, 21:52
that KW is looking fantastic already!
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: kagero43 on 11 Jun , 2009, 13:43
Simply fantastic work - thanks for sharing, including your drawings! - Harvey
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 11 Jun , 2009, 15:07
Thanks guys! ;)
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Post by: Siara on 06 Aug , 2009, 12:18
Finally im getting somewhere!

I have ditched the plans for resin insulators, and decided on photo Etch approach.
I got in touch with guy from Poland called Wojtek Fajga ( well known scratch builder ), an he will help me in the process of making the insulators from brass. Stay tuned.... ;)
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Rokket on 07 Aug , 2009, 05:03
Excellent!

Myself, I just used tiny slices of plastic glued to the thread. Seemed to work well enough, they are very small.
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: conus00 on 09 Aug , 2009, 04:06
Hi Siara,
can't wait for another update. I just got my hands on the same kit and as soon as we move I intend to give it a good bashing :D
I am not as skilled scratch-builder as you, so I do not intend to go as nuts as you did (and I mean it in a good way :D) but, if you don't mind, I intend to use some of your pictures as a reference.

-Libor

BTW Great job on the KW so far!

On the funny note: my g/f saw your avatar picture and she said: "he looks just like Jason Statham..." :D :D :D
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 09 Aug , 2009, 05:30
Hi Siara,
can't wait for another update. I just got my hands on the same kit and as soon as we move I intend to give it a good bashing :D
I am not as skilled scratch-builder as you, so I do not intend to go as nuts as you did (and I mean it in a good way :D) but, if you don't mind, I intend to use some of your pictures as a reference.

Feel free my friend. ;)

BTW Great job on the KW so far!
Thank you!

On the funny note: my g/f saw your avatar picture and she said: "he looks just like Jason Statham..." :D :D :D
Only not as rich. ;D
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 18 Aug , 2009, 14:49
I just received the email from Wojtek regarding the photo- etched insulators, and they are done!
He has sent the insulators today, and showed me the picture of the test fitting:
(http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/8929/pesiara2.jpg)
The spaces between the line grooves will be filled with Magic Sculp, or Green Stuff.
You like? ;)
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: dougie47 on 19 Aug , 2009, 13:38
Hi Siara,

Yeah, I certainly do like! :)

Will your friend Wojtek be selling these insulators to the public? If so, this would be VERY useful as the insulators have always been a problem.

Cheers,

Dougie
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 19 Aug , 2009, 15:05
Hes only making set for me at the moment. I dont know if he`ll be interested in making it as the bussiness venture, but if theres demand ill ask him.
Do you reckon it will sell?
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: dougie47 on 19 Aug , 2009, 15:40
Hi Siara,

It's difficult to say about market size. I doubt if he'd make much money. But if your friend has the philosophy of wanting to help modellers then it is definitely worth doing. It does look a good product, and superdetailers would really appreciate the product.

By the way, the insulators would be great for the 72nd Type II kit. Modellers would, I think, want to get them for their Type IIs as well as Type VIIs.

Given the small size he'd cram a large number of insulators onto one brass sheet. So production costs per unit would be low.

I'll post a poll on the forum to ask others about this.

Cheers,

Dougie
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 19 Aug , 2009, 15:56
And i will have the word with Wojtek if he is interested if the poll esults are encouraging.
He is very busy man, as he builds the models himself- and is one of the best i ever came accross.
 check this out guys! (http://pwm.org.pl/viewtopic.php?f=145&t=5773)
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: westers on 20 Aug , 2009, 16:54
Wow Siara, your friend is a seriously talented guy.

As I can't translate the build thread can you explain briefly what he is doing? It looks like he is designing the plane from scratch, but I'm not sure as the resin engine pieces and the fusalage pieces perhaps show a kit he's bought, but is improving on. ??? ???
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: vonbulowfla on 20 Aug , 2009, 18:27
greetings ladds . i have been throught the f-----g ringer this past week . my dad who was also a master modeler and one of the best drag racers in the late 1960s .took his own life last sunday out of f------g nowhere . he was sick for years and finally at 66 years old .said f--k it and hung himself .it is like losing your hero . he was a master machinist as well as a  arobatic model airplane.flight expert . i am putting in our site because althought he didnt sign in but he always checked up on the site to see what all us ladds were building .he was a master model craftsman in every meaning of the word . his name was 'sonny ' walter pfister my dad and my idol .and now i have a hole in my soul that is there until they toss me in a f-----g hole . so ladds let us all here on the site tip one back in honore of my dad and a lover of all models and all you great guys who build them .and in his memory i am going to produce and finish some things that he wont be able too do .to the standard of the master my pop .i love dad and if you canslip some of your energy particals across the universe . and see what i said to all my mates about you .and check in and let us know somehow your threre . anyway ladds this event took my drive and intrist in the hobby he gave me and i love into the ground with him but i will comeback stronger and smarter as we all will be from all he taught me ' thats all for now i needed to let this energy out to all my mates and all the ladd. thank you ./ and thank you pop i love you always and forever .will talk to you all soon mates .  :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 21 Aug , 2009, 01:12
Im sorry to hear it Michael.
Please accept my sincere condolences on the passing of your dear father.
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: billp51d on 21 Aug , 2009, 04:22
           Sad news indeed...Bill
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: vonbulowfla on 21 Aug , 2009, 20:08
siara' thank you mate . and thank you bill and all the ladds for your kind words . it is worth more than all the money in the world . talk to you all soon . :'(
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Post by: JAORSA on 22 Aug , 2009, 04:40
Dear Vonbulowfla,
we do not know personally, but please accept my sincere condolences as a member of this forum.
Javier
(Sevilla-Spain)
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: dougie47 on 22 Aug , 2009, 07:47
I'd like to offer my sincere condolences to you and your family. I will raise my glass in honour of your father tonight.

Warmest regards,

Dougie
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Rokket on 22 Aug , 2009, 22:03
Very sorry to hear the news. I felt the same way about my Dad, he died at a similar age, 62, it knocks you out. But like you, I have really wonderful memories and really wonderful friends. I shall raise my glass as well.

Wishing you the best.

Wink
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 23 Aug , 2009, 14:30
The delivery from Wojtek. These things are small.  :o

(http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/8562/img2589u.jpg)

Wojtek produced few designs, and i have to decie which i will use. No doubt it is some challenge to solder them together.
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Post by: Rokket on 24 Aug , 2009, 23:38
wow, looks nice tho!
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Post by: vonbulowfla on 26 Aug , 2009, 15:54
siara' are those the insulators for the wireless . they sure do look small . might have to beef them up a bit ladd . but then again at that scale who the f--k could tell anyway . in any event they will finish the boat off good . i want to thank you and the ladds again for your kind words . i will get back to the shipyard as soon as i feel better . take care and will talk to you soon . :)
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 26 Aug , 2009, 17:14
Take your time Michael- models can wait.
Dont forget that submariners should be patient. ;)
Talk to you soon.
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 10 Sep , 2009, 23:59
I have made beautiful insulators doday, and i didnt use the PE! 8)

Ill show you the effects by weekend.
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Rokket on 11 Sep , 2009, 22:46
just teasing us, hey?
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 12 Sep , 2009, 03:26
Im still getting to grips with my new camera, and the shots are not as good as they can be.
(http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/7995/eostest12324001.jpg)
(http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/3617/eostest12324003.jpg)
I used the 0,125 mm for test shot, but in the end i will make all the rigging using the braid called Dacron.
Good thing about insulators made from the Green Stuff is, that it is of the right color already. No need to paint. ;D
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Post by: billp51d on 12 Sep , 2009, 06:41
         Siara...Nicely formed. What diameter wire (Gauge) are you useing ?
                                                                                    Bill
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Post by: Rokket on 12 Sep , 2009, 17:12
Interesting way to do it, works great!
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Post by: Siara on 14 Sep , 2009, 13:00
Bill- this is just the test fit, to see if the grooves are cut correctly. For final rigging i will be useing the thread called Dacron- really thin, and subtle fishing braid. (I use the stuff to tie the carp rigs, when im carp fishing.)
If you just wondering what thickness the wire is- it is 0,125mm. ;)
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Rokket on 15 Sep , 2009, 05:09
is it hairy? I Think Dacron is a type of polyester, or am I waaay off?
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Post by: Siara on 15 Sep , 2009, 11:50
Wink- it is super smooth. No one hair on it. It also looks like the steel line, when adequately painted.
(http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/1199/dacron004.jpg)
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 15 Sep , 2009, 16:09
Thanks to my friend Lucas who visited the Wilhelmshaven boat yesterday i got the good shot of the rigging.
(http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/111/p9141129.jpg)
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Post by: Rokket on 16 Sep , 2009, 03:27
Stunning! I thought bits of plastic on either side of the line were good, but you have the rigging, wow, blows me away mate!
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Mr. Bill on 18 Sep , 2009, 09:28
Hello Siara,

The photo of the rigging is stunning.  I hope I can muster enough skill and close up vision to come even close to this level of work when I get to the rigging on U-45.

Excellent!
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 18 Sep , 2009, 12:47
Guys-  ;D  the picture of the rigging is of the original boat in Laboe- not the model, but when i make mine, be sure i will put enough work in, so it looks almost identical. ;)
I got it all sussed, and rigging will be Dacron, with wraporounds done using excellent Lycra from White Ensign Models.
Now i have to find the gap in the week to start putting the words into practise.
Hopefully over weekend i should get some done.

BTW Bill- that U-45 of yours is looking real good pal. Superb detailing- i love it!
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Rokket on 19 Sep , 2009, 01:43
Sometimes it's hard for us to tell the difference with your stuff...
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Johann Vilthomsen on 23 Sep , 2009, 10:49
Thanks to my friend Lucas who visited the Wilhelmshaven boat yesterday i got the good shot of the rigging.
(http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/111/p9141129.jpg)

Siara, look this link, more photos from Laboe and the insulators.
I'm your fan!!!!!  ;D

General Pictures
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=1177039&postcount=2

Insulators detail
http://www.flickr.com/photos/42663166@N03/sets/72157622285248961/show/

Greetings.
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 23 Sep , 2009, 14:56
Thanks for the links Johann- superb pictures!  ;)

Gandalf on subsim- is that you?
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Johann Vilthomsen on 25 Sep , 2009, 01:36
No, no, i'm not gandalf. In Subsim I'm Johann Vilthomsen too  ;D
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 25 Sep , 2009, 01:41
Aha- you are the spanish guy converting the living room into U-Boot. Great idea i must say. Is your wife (if you have one) ok with the project? I know what my would say if i did the same thing to the house.  ;D
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Don in Cincinnati on 12 Oct , 2009, 13:20
Siara:

I have followed your build here for some time and congratulate you as not only a craftsman, but as a true artist.

I am a retired designer, age 72, with a passion for U-boat models, and have just begun a build on the Type VIIc Revell boat. (U96)
 While I have nowhere near the talent you bring to the hobby I am working to do a better-than average model insofar as corrected vision and slightly shakey hands allow. (Thank god for Optivisors!)

Right now my curiousity prompts the following question (although I am a long way away from finishes): You mentioned hairspray and kitchen salt as a means of weathering the  lower hull. Could you explain in some small detail just how this works and how it is applied?

I would greatly appreciate any help you may give.

Best wishes,

Don
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 12 Oct , 2009, 13:30
Hi Don, and welcome to the forum!
Thanks for compliments!

Im glad you like my work.

For the hairspray, and salt technique i can recomend  this thread on MIG forum  (http://www.migproductionsforums.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=3293)

Hope it is not against the rules of the AMP forum, and Wink, or Dougie not gonna use the chopping technique on this post. ;)
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Don in Cincinnati on 12 Oct , 2009, 15:40
Hi Don, and welcome to the forum!
Thanks for compliments!

Im glad you like my work.

For the hairspray, and salt technique i can recomend  this thread on MIG forum  (http://www.migproductionsforums.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=3293)

Hope it is not against the rules of the AMP forum, and Wink, or Dougie not gonna use the chopping technique on this post. ;)


I don't know Wink yet, although I've ordered U-boat waterline decals from him. Dougie and I have been corresponding for a while now.  (he's currently trying to help me find a home for a big U-boat construction site diorama -the Kruppwerkes at Kiel- that I've built over the past three years.) so if need be I'll put in a good word!  ;)

I've been reading some of the salt and hairspray techniques over the past hours and think I will do some trials on some old "throw away" models of yor.

Thanks for the help.

BTW: what is your art background? Your sketches and selection of art pencils hint at art training and background. (Having drawn and painted over many years it is somethig I tend to notice in others.) Do you draw for enjoyment? If not, you should consider it.

At any rate thanks for the help. I will continue following your build and wish you all the best. No doubt I will be asking more questions over time but I'll try not to make a pest of myself.

Thanks again.
Don


Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 12 Oct , 2009, 15:51
Sometimes i draw, or paint, but lately im more into photography.
I like the pencil work, and watercolours, but had done oils aswell.
Heres the example of my work- mind you i never received fair criticism for it. ;D
(http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/4643/ah002.jpg)
Watercolour on cardboard, framed, and hung in my workshop.
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Rokket on 13 Oct , 2009, 05:24
Siara, That post is Sooo history! (get it?!) Naw, we won't cut stuff because you link to other forums. The point is to share and expand.

Don - please do tell us more, and post some photos, love to see.

Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Don in Cincinnati on 13 Oct , 2009, 08:02
Siara:

With regards to your drawing, nicely done. I have done a lot of portrait work over the years, but still have an artist's love for figure work, which I consider among the most difficult to do.

So far as criticism goes I'll leave that to others. For me artwork is like modeling; so long as I enjoy what I've done that's enough. George Bernard Shaw once commented that a critic is "Someone who comes in after a battle and murders the wounded."

And also, in regard to modeling, it is, I think you will agree, a form of sculpture. The objects we shape have an aesthetic quality as much as a historical significance.

Wow! All this is getting pretty esoteric at 10:00am local time. And I'ne got some weld seams that are crying for attention. Stay well.

Don
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 14 Oct , 2009, 01:44
Don- im eager to see your work.
Please post some images my friend.
 ;)
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 14 Oct , 2009, 09:56
All the other projects are on hold, and im slowly sarting the rigging.
(http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/4932/u600deretourdemission.jpg)
(http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/3128/img0438l.jpg)
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 14 Oct , 2009, 15:29
Added few blocks, and primed Chaos Black:
(http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/2980/img0454s.jpg)
(http://img48.imageshack.us/img48/7532/img0463a.jpg)
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Don in Cincinnati on 16 Oct , 2009, 09:05
Siara, That post is Sooo history! (get it?!) Naw, we won't cut stuff because you link to other forums. The point is to share and expand.

Don - please do tell us more, and post some photos, love to see.



Rokket:

Thanks for your invitation and sorry about my delay in responding. (As John Lennon said, "Reality is what happens to us while we are making plans.")

As to photos of my build, two problems: first I'm working with what might be politely called an 'inexpensive' (read cheap) digital camera and close ups tend to be fuzzy. Secondly, being no great shakes at the computer stuff posting pictures still has me scratching my head.


If I can sort things out I'll put up a few shots.

In point-if-fact you (and I) have Siara to thank for my not getting a lot done on the boat. The truth is I spend more time here on the forum than I do building because I feel I am getting a master's class on how to build a U-boat.  My craft skills are far from you-know-who, but have improved markedly since coming here.

I owe a great debt of gratitude to Siara for sharing his remarkable talent with us.
 
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Rokket on 17 Oct , 2009, 20:34
That's what it's all about! do keep us informed here, and I'm sure you'll get a few photos up - if you can do subs, you can do pix!
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Don in Cincinnati on 21 Oct , 2009, 10:37
The last post by Siara on this forum was on October 14, seven days ago. I'm wondering if all is okay with him? Has anyone had any contact that explains his absence?
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 21 Oct , 2009, 12:02
Actually i have posted yesterday. ;D
Im OK- no worries mate. I dont work constantly on the boat, as it could be dangerous to your nervous system. I rather space my work- that way i never get bored.
Im working on some other small projects inbetween to keep me sane.
Check my blog (http://mastermodels.blogspot.com/) ;)
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: dougie47 on 21 Oct , 2009, 13:52
Hi Siara,

Love the wood on the sentry box. What scale is it - 35th perhaps?

Cheers,

Dougie
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 21 Oct , 2009, 14:11
Hi Siara,

Love the wood on the sentry box. What scale is it - 35th perhaps?

Cheers,
Dougie

Yes it is in 1/35 scale.
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Don in Cincinnati on 22 Oct , 2009, 09:31
Actually i have posted yesterday. ;D
Im OK- no worries mate.

Not worry, S, just mild concern. When one reaches my advanced age (72) it just seems natural to look out for friends.

I dont work constantly on the boat, as it could be dangerous to your nervous system. I rather space my work- that way I never get bored.

Makes sense. Truth be told, I'm amazed at your ability to balance modeling, job, family and friends, and still manage to get so much quality modelwork completed. I thought when I retired I'd have tons of time to model, but life's little necessities seem to intrude all too often pulling me away from the model room. Today, for example, is a beautiful sunny fall morning in midwestern USA and I need to get up on the roof for some much needed gutter repairs. But should that PE arrive today?  ::)

Im working on some other small projects inbetween to keep me sane.
Check my blog (http://mastermodels.blogspot.com/) ;)

Sanity is in short supply among modelers, and hurrah for that. I think it's the lack of it (in a good way) that makes us all a little more interesting.

I visit the subism site along with your blog and this Forum. It's a real education for me.

Stay well, and happy modeling.

Don











Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 22 Oct , 2009, 16:58
Todays sanity medicine:
(http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/8832/img0542io.jpg)

 ;)
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Don in Cincinnati on 23 Oct , 2009, 09:03
Siara:

I need your help.

I am in the early stages of my build and while doing some hull work I sanded off some rivets. You mentioned somewhere back that you were using a Trumpeter rivet tool to do your boat.

Going to an online product source the picture of the tool makes me believe it produces indented rivets. However the pictures you posted look like raised rivets.

Can you clarify? Any help you may give will be greatly appreciated.

Don
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Rokket on 23 Oct , 2009, 19:24
For the side of the hull casing (I totally ripped it out to open the long slot), I rebuilt with veeeery thin sheet plastic, and used a pokey tool (think it was a nail punch, but anything pointy but not too sha) to poke or emboss rivets from behind. On the hull...tricky. You might have to go to the excellent Archer resin transfer, but they are $1 million.

Siara - love the sentry box, what's your weathered wood secret?
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 24 Oct , 2009, 14:47
Don- for the general hull rivets i used the Trumpeter tool, because i believe in such scale the rivets should be barely visible. And indeed when looking at the model, you can only see the rivets at the right angle- against the light.
For the doubler strips i have cut thin alu foil, and indented the rivets in it using the same tool. This rivets are raised.
Like Wink said- if you like all your rivets raised- then go for the Archer Fine Transfers rivets- i bought them, but did not use the set- i will use it on some vehicle one day.

Wink- the wood is just styrene, which i carved to imitate the wood, and then painted layer, after layer to end up with different shades of gray- like the old weathered wood. Only some will be visible from under the shevrons tho.
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Rokket on 24 Oct , 2009, 19:17
If you'd like to give more detail (I know you're busy), it would make a great reference for the Library section.... I imagine too that knowing the technique means nothing without heaps of practice doing it! Stunning, a true miniature. I want to build one now to practice myself! Somehing out of weathered wood! Anything!
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Don in Cincinnati on 25 Oct , 2009, 09:31
Don- for the general hull rivets i used the Trumpeter tool, because i believe in such scale the rivets should be barely visible. And indeed when looking at the model, you can only see the rivets at the right angle- against the light.
For the doubler strips i have cut thin alu foil, and indented the rivets in it using the same tool. This rivets are raised.
Like Wink said- if you like all your rivets raised- then go for the Archer Fine Transfers rivets- i bought them, but did not use the set- i will use it on some vehicle one day.

Wink- the wood is just styrene, which i carved to imitate the wood, and then painted layer, after layer to end up with different shades of gray- like the old weathered wood. Only some will be visible from under the shevrons tho.

Siara:
Thanks for the help. Until seeing your boat in progress (Along with a few others) I'd never envisioned getting into this level of detail. My learning curve must be nearly a vertical line since coming to the AMP forum.

Another big shout out to Dougie for his encyclopedic knowledge of U-boats and his unstinting willingness to share it.

The decision about raised vs indented rivets is on hold right now until I look at a lot more reference photos. I'm not sure at this point whether I am ready to take the step of sanding off all the rivets. It may be beyond my skill level.  (But it is under consideration.) Right now I feel like someone who has climbed up onto the high diving board to impress his friends and is now faced with the thought that I may have to jump!

Keep up the good work. You are an inspiration to all of us to reach a little higher.
 
Don


Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 25 Oct , 2009, 15:00
Jump Don! ;D
Your skills will improve during this build, and you come out the better modeller.
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Rokket on 26 Oct , 2009, 01:48
I jumped, nearly dashed head on rocks, but came out OK.
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Don in Cincinnati on 26 Oct , 2009, 12:07
I jumped, nearly dashed head on rocks, but came out OK.

Maybe you should elaborate about that "dashing head on rocks!" part, Rokket.

In any event, thanks for the encouragement, guys. I'm giving it serious thought. I really need to do more reference study. I am going ahead with ordering the Trumpeter Rivet tool and will do some practice work. More on this later.

In the meantime I'm working up a scratchbuilt pressure hull, or maybe I should say the front and rear sections. The center section will be the top portion only. I plan to keep it simple with only details that might be seen through the limber holes or other cut-outs.

In essence the plan is to cut a center spine using the hull profile and then add circular bulkheads set at 90 degrees along the spine. (all of .040 styrene sheet.)  Then I will skin the shapes with .010 stryrene sheet. In shape it will look sort of like the old balsa model airplane kits.

It's looking good in the early going.

I just want you to know this whole build started out with the idea that it would be a simple out-of-the-box effort until I came here. ;)








Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 26 Oct , 2009, 12:22

I just want you to know this whole build started out with the idea that it would be a simple out-of-the-box effort until I came here. ;)

So we are all the same. We all started the same way, and then fell in love with the U-Boat we were building, and wanted to do the best job possible. Welcome to the club Don.  ;-)
As to the pressure hull- just do the bare essentials, as not much is visible afterall- wish i never put so much effort and time into mine.
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Don in Cincinnati on 26 Oct , 2009, 14:39

I just want you to know this whole build started out with the idea that it would be a simple out-of-the-box effort until I came here. ;)

So we are all the same. We all started the same way, and then fell in love with the U-Boat we were building, and wanted to do the best job possible. Welcome to the club Don.  ;-)
As to the pressure hull- just do the bare essentials, as not much is visible afterall- wish i never put so much effort and time into mine.

Let me suggest something to you that is hard to explain, Siara, and on the surface makes little sense.

I have only been modeling for the past 13 years having come to the hobby late in life. (Age 73 in a few months.), but I have noticed that often a model that has hidden detail somehow still looks better sitting on a table next to the same exact model that doesn't. (I'm not talking about mine now.) I can't explain it, and it might just be psychological, but It seems so to me. Perhaps the love of doing quality work shines through in other ways.

 I don't intend to spend countless hours detailing something that will never be seen, but on occassion it is satisfying to know "it's in there."







Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 27 Oct , 2009, 02:04
Little update from the bench:
(http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/66/img0564ve.jpg)

 8)

Time to remove some paint to expose some wood.
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Rokket on 27 Oct , 2009, 05:21
Don - I see  what BOTH you and Siara are saying. I agree, the model with the barely visible "under the hood" detail has a certain magic. It's like backstory in movies - maybe a fully rich story is never really shown more than a tiny tiny bit onscreen or in a book, but whatever the story, the flavor helped the author. So I get that and agree!

But I see what Siara is saying, and agree with that totally too - the bottom line with this model is, you want some detail that is magically behind the hull, but yet it doesn't have to be massive t have that special "real" effect. I bult a whole nose and stern p-hull. but just the top of the center part as you say. I added a gun platform very rough, so that looking thru the slot you would see "somtehing" - same for conning tower. I added frames with holes for the bow (ony on my display side, I cheated), and they are invisible, but a casual side glance and you can see "something" - worth it I think.
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Rokket on 27 Oct , 2009, 05:22
Siara - stunning as always, yes, add some "minus paint"
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Don in Cincinnati on 01 Nov , 2009, 15:50

I just want you to know this whole build started out with the idea that it would be a simple out-of-the-box effort until I came here. ;)

So we are all the same. We all started the same way, and then fell in love with the U-Boat we were building, and wanted to do the best job possible. Welcome to the club Don.  ;-)
As to the pressure hull- just do the bare essentials, as not much is visible afterall- wish i never put so much effort and time into mine.

Siara:

Any progress on the insulator problem?

I found some tiny Japanese glass beads at a local craft shop, but they are round, not oval. A shame, since they are a glossy bottlegreen with no need for paint. Also found some small braided wire for craft necklaces that looks like it might be close to the scale of the jumper wires. I'm a long way from that step but I try to keep my eyes open for things that might solve future modeling problems.

Spent the weekend scratchbuilding the front and rear pressure hull sections. Upon completion the rear section did not fit. Not even close. >:(  I tried modifying what I had built, but ended up hacking it up so bad it went in the waste basket. This morning I started over and things are working out a little better. I'm still awaiting PE and decals from WEM on backorder since humans started walking erect.

There's a chill in the air here in the mid-west USA, but the fall colors are spectacular. I hope this message finds everyone well.



















Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 01 Nov , 2009, 17:23
...and i was exploring rust today:

http://picasaweb.google.co.uk/Reference39/RustReference#
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Greif on 02 Nov , 2009, 01:04
Hi Siara, long time since we last spoke (wrote that is)!  Your model is spectacular, a true work of art.  You are gifted my friend. 

Like Don, I am interested in if you found other solutions for the "insulator question", other the the green stuff you used.  I am approaching the phase in my Type IIa build that will require me to scratch build some, and I'm not sure if my skills are up to shaping 21 or so oval shaped pieces of - whatever material I eventually will have to work with.  If there is an alternative I would jump on it.  If I find something I will be sure to share with the group.

As an aside, I am doing a bit of "kitbashing" to contruct the torpedo loading equipment for the scene I will be modelling.  The equipment is much different from that used on the Type VII's and IX's.  Hopefully, it will turn out as well as the "water" did.

Ernest
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Don in Cincinnati on 02 Nov , 2009, 07:10
...and i was exploring rust today:

http://picasaweb.google.co.uk/Reference39/RustReference#

Ah, the joys of rust. Is it any wonder our significant others look at us askance from time to time?

From your link I take it you are looking not only at color, but texture?

With that thought in mind are you familiar with a product called Rustall? It's a water based liquid made in the US which, when brushed on in a light application dries to a very convincing rustlike finish. The first applications tend to settle in cracks and corners for a slightly rusted finish, but further coats can be added to give a totally rusted look. Car modelers have used it for years to produce very convincing junkers and abandoned cars. And, perhaps equally as good it cleans up in brushes with soap and water.

I have used it with reasonable success in combination with pastels and paint over smooth or textured styrene.

It is available from Kuras design Group, San Francisco USA.

Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Rokket on 02 Nov , 2009, 23:17
Thanks for the review of Rustall, always wondered about it.
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Greif on 03 Nov , 2009, 00:49
Hello all, I may have found a solution to the uboat insulator problem.  Last night I was looking for material to build a block and tackle for the torpedo loading equipment I am building for the loading scene on my U3 build.  

While at a website called "Cornwall Model Boats", which sells fittings for wooden sailing ships among other things,  I found some small wooden blocks that are used by builders of wooden sailing ship models for rigging.  The firm I looked under was Amati.  They have several types of small wooden rigging blocks, the pictured one is the type I ordered and plan to try out.  It looks to be the right size (2mm long) and I think with a bit of sanding it can easily be made more oval in shape.  I will let you all know how it turns out.

Ernest  
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Don in Cincinnati on 03 Nov , 2009, 10:28
Thanks for the review of Rustall, always wondered about it.

While it's on the pricey side I've been happy with the results over the years. Glad I could add something positive to this thread.
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Don in Cincinnati on 03 Nov , 2009, 10:50
Hello all, I may have found a solution to the uboat insulator problem.  Last night I was looking for material to build a block and tackle for the torpedo loading equipment I am building for the loading scene on my U3 build.  

While at a website called "Cornwall Model Boats", which sells fittings for wooden sailing ships among other things,  I found some small wooden blocks that are used by builders of wooden sailing ship models for rigging.  The firm I looked under was Amati.  They have several types of small wooden rigging blocks, the pictured one is the type I ordered and plan to try out.  It looks to be the right size (2mm long) and I think with a bit of sanding it can easily be made more oval in shape.  I will let you all know how it turns out.

Ernest  

Is this the same company that sold the Amati U-47 Resin hull Type VIIb (Which I had the misfortune to order) before Revell's kit came out? If so, I seem to remember Dougie trying to use the insulators in his Amati boat kit and not being too pleased with the results. (These things are incredibly small.) I will go dust off my old Amati kit and give the insulators -which I believe are wood- another look.

All that aside, keep us posted, Ernest. And thanks for sharing the information.

I suspect that some of us who don't possess Siara's micro modeling skills -and I fall into that group-may have to make a decision as to how much detail we can handle with pieces this small. When I built Revell's 1/125 scale boat I used drops of white glue applied with a toothpick and painted for insulators. They dried into round shapes but at that scale were nearly invisible.







Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Greif on 03 Nov , 2009, 12:02
Hi Don,

yep it is the same company that puts out U-47.  Their wooden ships and fittings are far better quality then that poor effort.  I should receive the blocks in a few days and I will let everyone know if they work out.  I agree about Siara's skills, which are far, far better then mine.  Right now I am making turnbuckles for my Type IIa, and had to take a break after 2.5 hours of effort, which incluced much cursing under my breath! :D

Ernest 
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 03 Nov , 2009, 15:40
Greif- this insulators are really nice. Please let us know how they turn out.

Don- i have never used this Rustal thing myself, but i know about it, as lot of modelers i know use it, and i heard much good reviews about it.

For rust i use the acrylic, layered painting, with salt technique, and to finish off i use pigments, and artistic oils where needed.
I received test batch of new product called "Euro Rdza Metal", and "Euro Rdza System" for rusting metal, and plastic parts respectively.
It is made by Euromodel Plus, and the first tests look promissing.

Btw: I have been testing some new things on the sentry box- please let me know if it looks convincing.
I thought adding the single salvaged plank would ad some extra detail to the box. 8)
Now i need to scrape some paint off, and do serious weathering.
(http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/1582/img0685pw.jpg)
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Rokket on 03 Nov , 2009, 23:11
It looks mighty fine Siara
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Greif on 04 Nov , 2009, 02:23
Siara, it looks pretty good to me!

I will be sure to let you know how the insulator idea turns out.

Ernest
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Don in Cincinnati on 04 Nov , 2009, 08:49
Greif- this insulators are really nice. Please let us know how they turn out.

Don- i have never used this Rustal thing myself, but i know about it, as lot of modelers i know use it, and i heard much good reviews about it.

For rust i use the acrylic, layered painting, with salt technique, and to finish off i use pigments, and artistic oils where needed.
I received test batch of new product called "Euro Rdza Metal", and "Euro Rdza System" for rusting metal, and plastic parts respectively.
It is made by Euromodel Plus, and the first tests look promissing.

Btw: I have been testing some new things on the sentry box- please let me know if it looks convincing.
I thought adding the single salvaged plank would ad some extra detail to the box. 8)
Now i need to scrape some paint off, and do serious weathering.
(http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/1582/img0685pw.jpg)

The sentry box looks good so far. I'm anxious to see how the weathering turns out.

I did one in 1/125 scale for a diorama once, and I notice you have the correct little holes on the sides. Are those peep holes? My research for the sentry box is worth a laugh. I freeze framed the DVD of The Battle of Britian movie at a scene where the sentry box was shown. I must say the set designers had it right.

How will your sentry box be used?









Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Don in Cincinnati on 04 Nov , 2009, 09:01
Hi Don,

yep it is the same company that puts out U-47.  Their wooden ships and fittings are far better quality then that poor effort.  I should receive the blocks in a few days and I will let everyone know if they work out.  I agree about Siara's skills, which are far, far better then mine.  Right now I am making turnbuckles for my Type IIa, and had to take a break after 2.5 hours of effort, which incluced much cursing under my breath! :D

Ernest 

I had a similar experience, Ernest. Worked all day (10 hours) scratchbuilding front section of a pressure hull only to discover when complete and test fitted it was too big!

But we owe a debt of thanks to our friend, Siara. (I do, anyway) The next day on this thread I saw how he had built, detailed, painted and weathered a conning tower -which to me looked flawless- but he was not satisfied and started all over again.

His willingness to redo that which fell short of his expectations inspired me to start that hull over again, as well.  (It turned out okay, and was even better since it was my second go and I now had some experience under my belt.)

Don




Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 04 Nov , 2009, 15:32
Rokket & Greif- thanks guys! Much appreciated. ;)
Don- humble thank you sir. ;D
Im glad my work inspires you. Its always nice to hear.
How will your sentry box be used?

Im still on the crossroads regarding the overall layout, but at the moment i think it will look like so. Picture this:
In front of the sentry box will be the MP figure, to his right will be open barrier (scratch) on the cobblestone road with a bit of pavement (scratch).
I will build the rikshaw using Tamiya bicycle set, enhanced with Lion Roar PE. This will be driven by Polish rikshawman, with the german officer and his "new" girlfriend as passengers. I can drop the girlfriend, and use the drunk officer instead.

The street section will be lit by industrial lamp, mounted on the wooden street post(scratch).

Im gonna decide on the final set up, while i go along with the project. :P
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 05 Nov , 2009, 12:09
I just ordered this thing:
http://www.rbmodel.com/picture.php?file=3501.jpg&type=foto&size=big (http://www.rbmodel.com/picture.php?file=3501.jpg&type=foto&size=big)

 ;D
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: NZSnowman on 05 Nov , 2009, 16:43
That will be a nice touch :)
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 05 Nov , 2009, 16:48
That will be a nice touch :)

Yeah- i think it will look good, and unique. I may use this dio as the table lamp. ;-)

Some progress:
(http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/6813/img0720d.jpg)
Now i will seal it with varnish, and get started with oils, and pigments.
Im having the blast with this little project- no rivet counting, no reference pictures- just pure modelling fun- brilliant.
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Don in Cincinnati on 06 Nov , 2009, 08:06
That will be a nice touch :)

Yeah- i think it will look good, and unique. I may use this dio as the table lamp. ;-)

Some progress:
(http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/6813/img0720d.jpg)
Now i will seal it with varnish, and get started with oils, and pigments.
Im having the blast with this little project- no rivet counting, no reference pictures- just pure modelling fun- brilliant.

Looking good. Keep sharing your progress.

Vis a vis your final comment, while working on a three year diorama project (The Kruppwerkes "glasshaus" U-boat construction site) I put the following reminder note over my worktable: This is supposed to be fun! It is still there. Helps to keep thing in perspective, you know.
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Greif on 06 Nov , 2009, 11:57
Very nice weathering Siara.  Coming along nicely!

Ernest
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: UrpoK on 06 Nov , 2009, 14:17
Siara, you are a wizard!  :o
I mean that sentry box is a real beauty.
Timo
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 10 Nov , 2009, 02:20
Thanks for the feedback guys! ;)

Weathering finished:
(http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/3674/img07301p.jpg)
(http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/4132/img07311.jpg)

I also added few bird droppings to the roof, as im planning to scratch the pigeon.
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Greif on 12 Nov , 2009, 13:19
Awesome job dude!  Bird droppings hmm....make sure you wash your hands.  ;D

Ernest
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Don in Cincinnati on 13 Nov , 2009, 09:31
Awesome job dude!  Bird droppings hmm....make sure you wash your hands.  ;D

Ernest

Bird droppings? This is modeling to a degree I'd never thought possible. Have you done your color research, Siara? (It's not just all white, you know.)

Seriously. I saw your plug for Koki paste on Grief's thread and it took me to a company in Poland. Since I have had little luck finding a US source for Koki paste my questin is:

A) Have you used this source?
B) Do you consider them dependable?
C) Would you consider them safe for a credit card purchase?


Thanks for any information you can give, Siara.

Don
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Rokket on 13 Nov , 2009, 17:30
good questions because I'll need some too...
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 15 Nov , 2009, 06:17
I bought the Koki paste from the same shop in Poland, and i must say the transaction was quick, and secure. I recomend the shop highly. Looks like theres not many dealers around europe at the moment, so the choices are limited.
The price is high, but on the good side- the tub of Koki paste will last for years- providing we never forget to put the paste in the fridge after use. It states on the packaging, that the life of the paste is aprox. 6 months, but i had mine since 2007, and is still as good as new, and still about 3/4 of the tub left. Good stuff honestly.

Meanwhile i have finished sculpting the pigeon.

(http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/6097/img07502.jpg)
(http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/4682/img07581.jpg)

Wings, and tail from beer can, legs made using 0,150mm copper wire, and the rest is Green Stuff.
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Greif on 15 Nov , 2009, 10:09
Siara, that is one nice bird.

Ernest
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: billp51d on 15 Nov , 2009, 11:26
           ...Nicely done indeed...Bill
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: wildspear on 15 Nov , 2009, 11:31
OMG, that is so cool.
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: dougie47 on 15 Nov , 2009, 14:02
Hi Siara,

Very nicely done, the pidgeon is a nice touch and rounds it off well. I think I have a 35th scale rat somewhere if you wanted that for inside :)

Cheers,

Dougie
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 15 Nov , 2009, 14:18
Thanks for the offer Dougie, but i think one animal is enough.  ;D
But i will be adding more detail to the inside of the sentry box- heres the phone i have scratch built today:
(http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/59/img0798g.jpg)
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Rokket on 16 Nov , 2009, 00:43
pigeons have never looked so good!
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Don in Cincinnati on 16 Nov , 2009, 14:21
good questions because I'll need some too...

On Siara's recommendation I ordered the Koki paste from Poland, Rokket. The stuff is pricey, but Siara's glowing recommendations were enough to convince me. I also bought the Dremel soldering iron. (Do you suppose he's getting a kickback on all this? :o)

One word of caution if you decide to order from that source: Once you are registered and place the order, no confirmation appears. Instead a message appears which says "Your shopping cart is empty." It isn't. Your order has been accepted. The only confirmation will appear on your E-mail. When I saw this  message I went through the process again only to find TWO order confirmations in my E-mail. I quickly cancelled one of them

Don
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 16 Nov , 2009, 14:27
Do you suppose he's getting a kickback on all this? :o)

I wish.
The only think im getting is the sattisfaction from knowing that youll use the best things on the market, and it will help your model making great deal.
I gained that knowledge from other experienced modelers, an im just passing that knowledge on. Thats all.
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Rokket on 16 Nov , 2009, 23:42
Thanks Don! (and Siara)
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Don in Cincinnati on 17 Nov , 2009, 08:28
Do you suppose he's getting a kickback on all this? :o)

I wish.
The only think im getting is the sattisfaction from knowing that youll use the best things on the market, and it will help your model making great deal.
I gained that knowledge from other experienced modelers, an im just passing that knowledge on. Thats all.

It was my feeble attempt at humor, Siara. My apologies if it was offensive.

In truth my boat -which is in the very early stages of the build- is already far better for knowing you and being inspired by your thread to to reach a bit higher. For example, I would never have known about -much less ordered Koki paste had it not been for your recommendation. I could name perhaps over a dozen other improvements to my U96 already that are a direct result of studying your build thread and blog. As with Dougie, Rokket, Greif and a few others, I consider you a cyber friend. Hope you feel the same.

Don
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 17 Nov , 2009, 12:58
I feel the same  ;D

BTW: Does that wood look like the one on the grampa furniture? ;D
(http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/2105/img0801f.jpg)
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Rokket on 18 Nov , 2009, 00:44
It does - "crazing" technique with water-based over enamel?
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 18 Nov , 2009, 15:12
Wink- i used artistic oils over the acrylics. Oils nicely blend the courseness of the acrylics, and create shading similar to the wood grain.
Heres how it looks like at he moment:
(http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/4320/img0824f.jpg)
Im generally pleased with the final result- it helps to add the detail , and color to the plain body of the box.
Im planning on some extra items like the Kar 98, Signal magazine, possibly empty wine bottle, and maybe long waterproof coat, so the inside of the box will be busy. ;)
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Rokket on 19 Nov , 2009, 01:27
phone is very nice, esp. the earpiece.
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Don in Cincinnati on 19 Nov , 2009, 09:25
phone is very nice, esp. the earpiece.

Chaos reigns in the shipyard this morning. The subject that has me confused are the Modelbrass saddle tank inspection covers. The fret has 10 large plates and four small ones.
Since modelbrass included no directions, I went to their web site which shows five covers per side, three large and two small, all set with the long side of the plate at 90 degrees to the long axis of the boat.

Deck plans in Robert Stern's book Type VII U-boats (p.44) show five plates as well with three set at 90 degrees and two with the long side parallel to the long axis of the boat. It's hard to determine size, but they appear to be all the same i.e no small ones.

In David Westwood's book Type VII U-boats (P. 26) three large covers are shown at 90 degrees to the long axis of the boat and two small ones are shown parallel to the long axis. Also in his book the frontpiece shows a photo of U99 which clearly shows five cover locations, but the covers appear to be removed. As best I can tell all seem to be the same size and set at the 90 degree angle.

For context my boat is U96,  Circa 1940, A Type VIIc.

Question #1
Am I correct in assuming that the Type VIIc of my vintage had five plates per side on the saddle tanks?

Question #2
Are all the plates the same size i.e. large, or are they a combination of 3 large and two small?
 
Question #3
Are they all mounted at 90 degrees to the long axis of the boat, or some combination of the above?

And one final question;
If they are all the same size where do the four small plates on the Modelbrass fret go?

I'd appreciate any help as I don't want to attach them until I'm sure they will be accurate.

Don
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: dougie47 on 19 Nov , 2009, 13:46
Hi Don,

I believe the drawing on P26/27 of Westwood's book is correct. This shows 3 covers at 90 degrees to the axis and 2 covers at 90 degrees to the axis. This is supported by the photo of U 69 (the caption says U 99 but it is U 69) on page 2/3 of Westwood's book. The Modelbrass set was rushed into production for commercial reasons (accuracy wasn't the main goal). All you need is the five oval covers per side.

Cheers,

Dougie
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Don in Cincinnati on 20 Nov , 2009, 07:40
Hi Don,

I believe the drawing on P26/27 of Westwood's book is correct. This shows 3 covers at 90 degrees to the axis and 2 covers at 90 degrees to the axis. This is supported by the photo of U 69 (the caption says U 99 but it is U 69) on page 2/3 of Westwood's book. The Modelbrass set was rushed into production for commercial reasons (accuracy wasn't the main goal). All you need is the five oval covers per side.

Cheers,

Dougie

Dougie:

Thanks for your input. I will go with your recommendation. I appreciate the time you took to help me.

Don
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Don in Cincinnati on 20 Nov , 2009, 16:04
Hi Don,

I believe the drawing on P26/27 of Westwood's book is correct. This shows 3 covers at 90 degrees to the axis and 2 covers at 90 degrees to the axis. This is supported by the photo of U 69 (the caption says U 99 but it is U 69) on page 2/3 of Westwood's book. The Modelbrass set was rushed into production for commercial reasons (accuracy wasn't the main goal). All you need is the five oval covers per side.

Cheers,

Dougie

Dougie:

Thanks for your input. I will go with your recommendation. I appreciate the time you took to help me.

Don

The covers are installed thanks to the timely reply from Dougie.

I used the installation method employed by both Siara and Glenn Cauley i.e. super gluing them in position and then heating the brass covers with a soldering iron to melt them slightly into the plastic. As a final step I sanded the small plastic ridge aroung the edges of the covers.
The above works particularly well with the Modelbrass PE which is pretty thick and hard to shape. The inspection covers now sit nice and flush on the saddle tanks.

For those who have concerns about the heat method, let me assure you I am not a master class modeler, but I found this step remarkably easy. One tip: try a test with a piece of scrap brass of the same thickness on an old model first.

Thanks to Siara, Glenn and Dougie for the information.

Don
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Don in Cincinnati on 22 Nov , 2009, 15:38
Re: Koki soldering paste as recommended by Siara:

good questions because I'll need some too...

Rokket:
Just received an E-mail stating that my order for the paste has shipped from Poland. All seems to be going well as of this message. If you are still interested I will post updates  here. I'm really looking forward to trying it as my soldering skills are about a minus three  on a one to ten scale.

Don
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 22 Nov , 2009, 15:56
Don- i was the same before i got my hands on that paste. U-552 is the first model i have tried soldering.
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Rokket on 22 Nov , 2009, 23:30
Thanks for the info Don. It's especially nice to point out that scary things aren't always scary!
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Don in Cincinnati on 23 Nov , 2009, 15:40
Don- i was the same before i got my hands on that paste. U-552 is the first model i have tried soldering.

 The hallmark of a true craftsman is a willingness to share information in an effort to help others improve their skills.  It is to your credit that you have done this so freely here. I'm sure I am not alone in offering sincere thanks and appreciation for the thread.

Don
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 23 Nov , 2009, 15:44
Im glad i can help. ;)
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Don in Cincinnati on 23 Nov , 2009, 15:57
Thanks for the info Don. It's especially nice to point out that scary things aren't always scary!

It's an odd thing about modeling, Rokket, but almost every task I ever thought would be difficult turned out to be fairly easy. Strangely, everything I thought would be a snap, proved to be much harder and took a lot longer than I could have ever imagined.

At first I thought this was a passing phenomenon, but a three year diorama I did of the Krupp U-boat construction site at Kiel proved my right time after time. I can't account for this and often wonder if it is true for other modelers? It is holding true for my U96 build, so it must have some validity. (For me, at any rate.) This should not be considered as a complaint, per se, merely an observation.

I'll still wonder why.

Don
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: rabapla on 24 Nov , 2009, 04:33
self fulfilling prophecy?

when You think it will be easy, You just start.
when You think it's gonna be difficult, You prepare Yourself more?
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Don in Cincinnati on 24 Nov , 2009, 13:05
self fulfilling prophecy?

when You think it will be easy, You just start.
when You think it's gonna be difficult, You prepare Yourself more?

I'd never thought of that, but it makes sense. Thanks.

Don
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Rokket on 27 Nov , 2009, 19:16
Hmmmm...interesting, thanks Guys!
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Don in Cincinnati on 03 Dec , 2009, 13:24
Hmmmm...interesting, thanks Guys!

Just a note to let you all know the Koki Japanese soldering paste recommendd by Siara arrived in the USA from the Poland source just 13 days after order was placed. Considereing that we here in the colonies had a holiday in the middle, (Thanksgiving) and two sundays, I think it made good time.

Based on my experience I can recommend the Polish source without reservation. The whole transaction was by credit card.

Siara:

How about a little primer on how to best use the product? (Begin with how to open the tube. I know that sounds silly but there are no instructions ) I am a ways off from any real soldering work, but would like to do a few tests. (I got the Dremel soldering iron you recommended, as well.)

U96 is still in two halves with more work to do before joining, but with a heartstopping moment. While doing cleanup details on the hull I accidently put my thumb through the drilled out lower bow vent holes which left it looking like a broken window; a frame with jagged edges. This prompted a major change of plans. I had the Modelbrass PE with the vent pieces, but had planned to use them on the next build, this one being a learning boat. Taking a deep breath, I cut out the opening (It looked huge!) and test fitted the PE. It worked great! Based on this I cut out the stern section as well and with some serious fiddling, got it shaped and in. *Woosh!* I am just now starting to breath again.

A big thank you to Siara, Rokket,and Glen Cauley for all their inspiration and support.

And to my friend Dougie who has been a fountain of knowledge and kept me from making serious mistakes. (Up till now, anyway.)

Don
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 03 Dec , 2009, 14:28
I must say im impressed by the speed of the delivery Don. I knew these guys from Poland were quick, but your Koki made it in record time.
Im glad you are happy with the service, and didnt find it dissapointing. I hate to recomend something, to find out, that person i recomend it to is not entirely satisfied. ;)
Goes to show the Big Eastern Giant isnt as scary as some people make it to be. :D

Don- open the plastic, orange cup on the bottom of the tube, and unscrew the orange pointy top.
Insert something ie. pencil, finger into the hollow bottom, and spread some paste onto the baking foil. Its esential to use something like alu foil for that, as this paste is quiet greesy.

Leave the paste in the room temperature for couple of minutes (remember to keep the paste in the fridge between work) and you good to go.

It doesnt take much of that stuff to join the parts, and it sinks almost without the buildup. Not much clean up required.
I recoment using the torch, instead of rod suplied with the Dremel.

Good luck Don. ;)
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Don in Cincinnati on 04 Dec , 2009, 12:28
I must say im impressed by the speed of the delivery Don. I knew these guys from Poland were quick, but your Koki made it in record time.
Im glad you are happy with the service, and didnt find it dissapointing. I hate to recomend something, to find out, that person i recomend it to is not entirely satisfied. ;)
Goes to show the Big Eastern Giant isnt as scary as some people make it to be. :D

Don- open the plastic, orange cup on the bottom of the tube, and unscrew the orange pointy top.
Insert something ie. pencil, finger into the hollow bottom, and spread some paste onto the baking foil. Its esential to use something like alu foil for that, as this paste is quiet greesy.

Leave the paste in the room temperature for couple of minutes (remember to keep the paste in the fridge between work) and you good to go.

It doesnt take much of that stuff to join the parts, and it sinks almost without the buildup. Not much clean up required.
I recoment using the torch, instead of rod suplied with the Dremel.

Good luck Don. ;)

Siara:

Thanks for the quick reply and helpful advice. Delivery time was indeed excellent. I forgot to mention that I had it shipped Air Priority, but the little additional cost was well worth it. I would do it again in a heartbeat. And let's face it, if cost were a major factor there'd only be a few modelers around.

In the next week or so I will start to do some small soldering tasks just to get the feel for the product.

Sincere thanks is here tended for sharing your build with us. Following it here on the AMP Forum and on Subism has helped me enormously. I am a better modeler for knowing you.

All the best,

Don
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 05 Dec , 2009, 05:07
Latest from the workshop:
(http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/2815/img1005f.jpg)

Copper wire twisted for steel line, isolators from green stuff, and the wraparound tie from 1mm brass tubing. I think thats the right way to go about it- what do you all think?
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Don in Cincinnati on 05 Dec , 2009, 08:20
Latest from the workshop:
(http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/2815/img1005f.jpg)

Copper wire twisted for steel line, isolators from green stuff, and the wraparound tie from 1mm brass tubing. I think thats the right way to go about it- what do you all think?

Looks good, Siara. I assume you are molding the Green Stuff shapes by hand, right? If so are you having any problems with keeping the size consistant? Also, what do you use to make the grooves?

OBTW: For those of us among the great unwashed, what exactly is Green Stuff?
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Mr.Mox on 05 Dec , 2009, 15:45
Pretty much spot on, propably won
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Rokket on 05 Dec , 2009, 22:32
Excellent work as always Siara!
Don - thanks for the first hand info on koki, I appreciate it!
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 06 Dec , 2009, 06:17
Pretty much spot on, propably won
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Anakin on 06 Dec , 2009, 06:51
 :o :o :o

Siara you should have been a surgeon!

Amazing!
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: dougie47 on 06 Dec , 2009, 11:10
Hi Siara,

Very nice - just like the real thing! Twisting the copper wire works really well.

Chhers,

Dougie
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 07 Dec , 2009, 14:19
I thought i had everything sussed, but looking at the pictures of rigging i came accross few shots of some kind of harness, which is attached to main rigging.

(http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/3059/rigging354354647.jpg)

I have seen that thing around the groups of insulators, like bridge for the current possibly?

What exactly is that thing, and has anyone clearer picture, maybe diagram of it?
Is it possible that that harness is only clipped on when the boat is moored?
Theres really not much info online regarding rigging, and books are not much help either.

It would be great if i can get the clarification on this matter, for my benefit, and everyone who is mad enough to buy the U-Boot model. ;D
I realised all the boats online have simplified rigging, and id like to have go at making true replica.
I rely on your info ladds. ;)
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Ostach on 07 Dec , 2009, 17:13
On these photos you have some details of the stern.
(http://lh4.ggpht.com/_PPZq1gA9r7Y/Sx2X5t7IlrI/AAAAAAAAFPY/6vmkaJN8KZQ/s800/VIIC.jpg) (http://picasaweb.google.com/amarokster/UBootVIIC41#5412649345005164210)
(http://lh6.ggpht.com/_PPZq1gA9r7Y/Sx2X6XBvDtI/AAAAAAAAFPc/DE9ujS0wJWU/s800/VIIC%203.jpg) (http://picasaweb.google.com/amarokster/UBootVIIC41#5412649356038704850)
There is no trace of the mentioned instalation. Having analyzed drawings in my monography I think that those wires were only on the newer boats. But it's only an assumption. Notice that bollards are not in the right angle with the deck. Details of the dismantled rear positiong light are also visible.

Hope it helps in any way.

Cheers!
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: NZSnowman on 07 Dec , 2009, 23:32
Hi Siara

I have few good pictures of the rigging but I not 100% sure that you are looking that. Are you looking at the small wire that ran along the rigging?

Simon
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 08 Dec , 2009, 00:44
Hi Siara
 Are you looking at the small wire that ran along the rigging?

Simon

Yes- the ladder sort of thing.

Ostach- nice shots. What boat is it?
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: NZSnowman on 08 Dec , 2009, 01:12
Hi Siara

I imagine you have see these before but here goes :) Happy viewing.

(http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/4237/20062146274144897.th.jpg) (http://img5.imageshack.us/i/20062146274144897.jpg/) (http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/9709/warshippictorialnumber2r.th.jpg) (http://img705.imageshack.us/i/warshippictorialnumber2r.jpg/)  (http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/1251/warshippictorialnumber2.th.jpg) (http://img705.imageshack.us/i/warshippictorialnumber2.jpg/)  (http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/1251/warshippictorialnumber2.th.jpg) (http://img707.imageshack.us/i/warshippictorialnumber2.jpg/)  (http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/1112/u100crew.th.jpg) (http://img707.imageshack.us/i/u100crew.jpg/)
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 08 Dec , 2009, 01:30
Good work Simon. ;)

The wiring im on about is clearly seen here on the left wire:

(http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/1112/u100crew.jpg)

From what i can see, the ladder sort of thing wasnt there all the time, and quiet possibly was clipped on when moored.
i wonder if Dougie can shed some light on the matter.
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: NZSnowman on 08 Dec , 2009, 01:38
I see it now ;D

It looks like it only on the port rigging :-\ The wire in the picture looks thicker and darker! Could it be a power cord ???
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: dougie47 on 08 Dec , 2009, 13:02
Hi guys,

There were extra wires just behind the tower - on the post side only - on the VIIAs, the early VIIBs (U 47 and U 99), and the very earliest Germaniawerft VIICs (U 93 to U 98). All the other VIICs didn't have them in this location. I covered it very briefly on page 30 of my VII modifications article. I'm not sure on their purpose.

Siara, well done on noticing them at the rear of that Meditteranean boat. I haven't seen these extra wires at the rear of the jumping wire before. Perhaps it was a Meditteranean feature?

U 552 did NOT have the extra wires near the tower. I presume U 552 did not have them at the rear of the port jumping wire either.   

Cheers,

Dougie
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 08 Dec , 2009, 13:31
Thats cleared it. ;)
Thanks for advice Dougie.

In the way glad that U-552 didnt have them, because i can now finish the boat this year. ;D
But on the other side- its nice feature, and if someone is making one of this boats you mentioned Dougie its well worth the effort, as it would look so cool.
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: UrpoK on 09 Dec , 2009, 13:18
Hi guys,

Could those extra wires be radio antennas?
Vesikko had such antennas fastened in port rigging.

What do you think?

Timo
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 09 Dec , 2009, 15:11
Hi guys,

Could those extra wires be radio antennas?
Vesikko had such antennas fastened in port rigging.

What do you think?

Timo

Im not sure. All the shots of the extra wires, are of the boats in ports- why only in ports?
Besides- type seven had its own radio designated loop on starboard side of the CT.
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: NZSnowman on 09 Dec , 2009, 21:51
I was looking for some pictures today and came across this:

(http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/5961/u52equipageen1941.jpg)
U-52

(http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/2631/u56lekiosque.jpg)
&
(http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/6446/u60.jpg)
From U-56 & U-60 you are clearly see the wire going into the CT  :)

(http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/6594/u100lquipageenmai1940.jpg)
(http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/2209/u100emblmepeintsurlekio.jpg)
U-100

(http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/6729/u102crmoniedentreenserv.jpg)
U-102

From U-570. Does is look like the very thin wire on the starboard side :-\ There are very good picture of it on page 17 from Anatomy of the Ship - The Type VII U-Boat
(http://www.uboatarchive.net/U-570Photo3.jpg)
Picture from http://www.uboatarchive.net/U-570Photo3.htm (http://www.uboatarchive.net/U-570Photo3.htm)

Other pictures from http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=149950 (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=149950)
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: dougie47 on 11 Dec , 2009, 15:27
Hi gents,

Good shots, Simon, we can clearly see the extra wires on the Type IIs and VIIBs.

There is something on the starboard jumping wire of U 570 on page 17 of Westwood's book (at the very edge of the photo). This may relate to an attachment point - or a pair of attachment points - that was on a few boats; it was positioned a foot or two behind the rear tensioner on the starboard jumping wire. The German sometimes used this attachment point to hang a yellow warning plate. This plate had a lightning flash to warn of the danger of electrical current that could sometimes be present through the jumping wire. Now and again boats in port would have the warning plate present.

Or the Royal Navy might have put it there as the photo was taken after the capture of the boat.

Siara, the Meditteranean boat you posted a photo of is U 73 in La Spezia. U 73 was a VIIB launched in July 1940. Given the early-ish date we might guess that the extra wires on the port wire might be a VIIB (and very early VIIC) feature. But U 73 didn't have these wires when commissioned. So instead they may just be a Meditteranean feature? Note that U 73 did have a Mittelmeerturm (med tower) when in La Spezia.

Cheers,

Dougie
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: UrpoK on 12 Dec , 2009, 14:13
Hi!

I know very little about radio devices of Type VII.
So I can
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Don in Cincinnati on 20 Dec , 2009, 13:10
Hi all.
Im so happy with my soldering today i thought i share it with You all.
(http://img386.imageshack.us/img386/1035/railing4010jc8.jpg)

More pics, and full story here:
http://u-552.blogspot.com/

This is the part of the project where it can be either done or destroyed. Im glad im past it, to be honest it wasnt that bad with the right tools.

Hope You guys like her, and be kind please. ;)

Siara

Siara:

I need some help with using the Koki soldering paste. I've run into two problems and anticipate a third one..

#1) After taping some trial pieces of copper wire to a ceramic tile I heat the joint with a torch or iron and then apply the paste to the joint with a toothpick. Either the paste does not 'silver up' to bond the joint or I get an unsightly blob of solder at the joint which ,I assume, means I've used too much paste. (?) Less than that doesn't bond, however.

#2) When I try to add more than one piece to the trial wire the adjacent joint melts.

#3) When you are soldering tiny pieces to styrene, say like the foot rings at the base of the scope how do you prevent the styrene from melting?

If you have any tips on how to correct these problems I'd appreciate hearing them.
(Keep in mind that I have only soldered once or twice in my life, and never with success)
Perhaps if time permits, you could walk me through a few simple constructions you've done so that I can try to duplicate them using your expert advice. I'd really like to master this as it has defeated me in all past attempts. Thanks in advance for your time and effort.

All the best to you and your family during the holiday season.

Don
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: warnster68 on 20 Dec , 2009, 18:06
Hi Don,
I'm certainly not going to anticipate what Siara is going to say....I actual wish /hope he'll post a "technique's" blob so we can see samples like the on you're asking about....but, I've taken Siara's examples and have done some soldering as described and all joined nice and firm. 

The only thing I see you doing differently if that you are applying the Koki paste after you have headed the two joints. 
Correct me if I'm wrong but the joints and paste should be applied / joined cold and all together, then the whole thing is heated until the paste "melts and flow" around joint. 
Maybe try that. ??
Warnster68

Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: wildspear on 20 Dec , 2009, 18:14
Don,
 I would have to agree with warnster. I think your applying the solder as you would regular solder. With the paste applying it before the heat has always worked best with me.
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: billp51d on 20 Dec , 2009, 20:18
#2) When I try to add more than one piece to the trial wire the adjacent joint melts.           Another little trick is to add a "heat sink" between the  adjacent joint and the joint that you are working on. This will draw the heat away from a finished joint. Something as simple a paper clip or alligator clip may work. Hope this helps....
                   Bill
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 21 Dec , 2009, 00:18
I agree with everything thats been said.

heres my rules:

1. Make sure the surface of the joined metal parts are greese free, and clean.
2. Apply small blob of paste to joint, and slowly start heating up the parts, and paste, untill it runs into the joint.
3. Some copper wires need to be sanded using sandpaper- because they come out the factory coated in some kinda coating, which prevents the solid joint.
4. Use the heat sink- i use the tissue soaked in water. I use the heat sink in close proximity to other joints.

One day i will show SBS from soldering.
Im slightly busy right now, but once the Christmas rush is over, an i finish repairing my van after the accident i will post the SBS.
Till then- practice, practice....
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Don in Cincinnati on 21 Dec , 2009, 16:05
I agree with everything thats been said.

heres my rules:

1. Make sure the surface of the joined metal parts are greese free, and clean.
2. Apply small blob of paste to joint, and slowly start heating up the parts, and paste, untill it runs into the joint.
3. Some copper wires need to be sanded using sandpaper- because they come out the factory coated in some kinda coating, which prevents the solid joint.
4. Use the heat sink- i use the tissue soaked in water. I use the heat sink in close proximity to other joints.

One day i will show SBS from soldering.
Im slightly busy right now, but once the Christmas rush is over, an i finish repairing my van after the accident i will post the SBS.
Till then- practice, practice....



Wow! thanks to warnster, wildspear and Mr Bill for the help. Rest assured that I will follow your advice. Soldering is all new to me so I can use any help offered. I hope to do some more trials right after the holidays and will report progress here.


To Siara:

Sorry to hear about your van and hope you weren't dented as well.

I think I speak for many here who admire your craftsmanship and the artistic qualities you bring to the hobby, so any details you can offer at some later date are more than appreciated. So far as I'm concerned there can never be too much information.

 I am a long way fron doing any in-depth soldering so no real urgency at this end. Thanks again to you and all my new friends on the AMP forum. I hope your holidays are filled with happiness and a lot of new photo-etch!  ;)

All the best,

Don
 
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Rokket on 23 Dec , 2009, 00:36
I like the wet tissue/paper towel heat sink, something with guts! Alligator clips are nice in theory, but cold water...!
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Don in Cincinnati on 23 Dec , 2009, 09:18
I like the wet tissue/paper towel heat sink, something with guts! Alligator clips are nice in theory, but cold water...!

Yeah I like that one too. It is a credit to the AMP forum in general, and Siara specifically that so much good modeling information is made available here, and so many are willing to share it.

Siara's building skills are so advanced that I really appreciate it when he goes into great detail as to how he got from A to Z.  He is a natural teacher and I hope he will find time to share a few tutorials with those of us who struggle. I for one, would love to know what tools and techniques he uses for his micro-detailing -especially in metal, and, of course soldering, as both of these are weak points of mine.
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Rokket on 24 Dec , 2009, 00:11
Yes, soldering, ug! I can solder 2 wires together properly, tho not fast and not always smoothly. But I had such a  nightmare with my VII rails, as mentioned here, solder a joint, solder a second joint and the first melts and drops in pieces...correct and the 2nd melts and drops..."D'oh!" I'll eventually (in a hundred years) have some rails to do for the Gato, so hopefully I'll have my koki paste and half a technique down by then...
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Don in Cincinnati on 24 Dec , 2009, 08:27
Yes, soldering, ug! I can solder 2 wires together properly, tho not fast and not always smoothly. But I had such a  nightmare with my VII rails, as mentioned here, solder a joint, solder a second joint and the first melts and drops in pieces...correct and the 2nd melts and drops..."D'oh!" I'll eventually (in a hundred years) have some rails to do for the Gato, so hopefully I'll have my koki paste and half a technique down by then...

My experience parallels yours exactly. (I'll bet we even use the same swear words! >:()

I'm bound and determined to do this, rokket. If so many others have mastered it, then why not you and I? (Although I have a sneaking hunch Siara's little tutorials will play a big part in our success, not to mention some of the other folks here looking over our shoulder and offering advice.)

I plan to do a number of tests after the holidays and will keep you informed of the results, the good the bad and the ugly.


Happy Christmas,

Don
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 27 Dec , 2009, 19:06
Im back in the workshop, and slowly making progress on some of the projects i have started.
Heres the small update on the Kettenwagen model- i made one damaged headlight instead of the 2 good ones. Light body was drilled out, and lightbulb was made from clear sprue- stretched, and the end was blobed using hot knife. Bulb holder from brass tubing.
(http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/3231/img1041q.jpg)

Windscreen was covered with thin alu foil immitating the canvas, and i also added few brackets on the bonnet to hold the windscreen in folded possition.
(http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/3286/img1042ly.jpg)

Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Greif on 29 Dec , 2009, 12:43
Your Kubelwagen is looking very good, Siara.  Did you use lead foil for the fenders?

Ernest
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 29 Dec , 2009, 15:01
For the fenders i used alu foil, but i used some lead foil in this build- i made part of the roof canvas using it.
I always stash load of different everyday use items- coffee lid foil, alu trays left after chinese night in, styrene from yoghurt pots and so on....
I recycle a lot. ;D
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Rokket on 31 Dec , 2009, 00:02
I never thought a headlight could look so good!
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Anakin on 04 Jan , 2010, 09:27
The best type of Koki paste for our hobby seems to be the 4- M954 type.
The make up of the paste being:  Sn62% Pb36% Ag2%
Melting point for that paste is reached at ~210deg C

Hi Siara!

You can call me blind but i can
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 04 Jan , 2010, 09:34
This is the product. (http://www.multi-com.pl/index.php?id_pr=699&itlskel_lang=en_US&itlskel_pgid=details&menu_mode=categories&itlshop_recount_cart=1&en_US.x=43&en_US.y=15)

I know the visit to the Koki site is slightly confusing.
I have been there. ;D

Rest assured- all of the Koki types are good for our hobby- the differences are minimal, and for us not distinguishable.

Heres one more link where you can get this stuff. (http://www.techgsm.pl/Solder_paste_for_SMD_KOKI_40g,3937.html)
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Don in Cincinnati on 04 Jan , 2010, 09:57
The best type of Koki paste for our hobby seems to be the 4- M954 type.
The make up of the paste being:  Sn62% Pb36% Ag2%
Melting point for that paste is reached at ~210deg C

Hi Siara!

You can call me blind but i can
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Anakin on 04 Jan , 2010, 10:24
Thanks Siara and Don!

I
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 04 Jan , 2010, 10:28
My pleasure- hope you enjoy using the paste, as much as i did.
Since i got the Koki paste my modeling has changed for good.
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Rokket on 06 Jan , 2010, 01:07
ahhh, magic paste, that's your secret!

Somehow I think the koki just made a difficult task slightly easier, I'd say your skill was always way up there!
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Don in Cincinnati on 11 Jan , 2010, 09:00
Advice needed:

I hope Siara doesn't mind my posting a modeling qiestion on his thread. With all the attention his build has been getting I figured this would be the place that would get me the most responses.

Okay, here's the problem: I am attempting to attach photo etch parts to the Nautilus wood deck with CA , but the very tiny pieces -like the non slip strips atround the deck gun- pop loose. I use CA gel applied to the part with a toothpick, set it in place and add accelerator. Some pieces adhere just fine but others fail to bond well and I fear they will come loose and get lost.

I'm wondering if the super glue is being absorbed into the wood before it can form a bond. (?) Should the wood deck be sealed first? Can you tell me what I am doing wrong, or not doing right? If you have encountered this problem and have solved it, or if you have a suggestion please help me out.

Don
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 11 Jan , 2010, 12:59
I had no problems fixing this antislip strips.
What i have done- i sanded the deck using 600 grit sandpaper to get rid of all the fuzzy bits, and then i used the thick CA called Grip.
No problems.

One more advice with PE parts- turn them over, and scratch some with tip of your craft knife in different directions, or using sandpaper scar the PE underneath, so the glue will get better grip. I always use this technique where good adhesion is required. ;)
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Mr. Bill on 11 Jan , 2010, 20:59
Siara is spot on as always - PE will form a very secure bond using CA if the bonding surface is firstly roughed up a bit with sandpaper.  I have found that paint will adhere better to PE when the parts are treated in this same manner.

Regards,

Mr. Bill
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Don in Cincinnati on 12 Jan , 2010, 08:40
Siara is spot on as always - PE will form a very secure bond using CA if the bonding surface is firstly roughed up a bit with sandpaper.  I have found that paint will adhere better to PE when the parts are treated in this same manner.

Regards,

Mr. Bill

Thanks to you, Mr Bill, and to you, Siara for your help. I appreciate you taking out time to help.

Don
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Rokket on 13 Jan , 2010, 00:42
I'd agree that would work. I stained and sealed my deck first, that worked too.
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Don in Cincinnati on 14 Jan , 2010, 08:14
I'd agree that would work. I stained and sealed my deck first, that worked too.

As a matter of interest did you stain your deck before or after it was glued to the hull? Which way would you recommend?

Also I notice both you and Glen Cauley used stain rather than paint on the deck. I mention this only because Nautalis specifically recommends paint rather than stain. Personally I like the stained look on both models.

Don
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Pat on 14 Jan , 2010, 18:53
Good advice from Mr. Bill, rokket and Siara.

There are two things happening when you score/sand/file a surface before using glue or paint.

The first is that you microscopically are creating more surface area for the solution to adhere to, in some cases you may even be doubling the area, which of course makes for a better bond.

The second is that some of the scratches actually undercut the surface, which lets the hardened paint/glue key into it, much like a dovetail joint in carpentry.

As for staining the deck as rocket mentioned, that
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 15 Jan , 2010, 00:54
This is true about the stain looking more realistic.
Only question is- will it stop the moisture?
Wooden deck needs to be sealed to stop the moisture from the air entering the pores, and cosequently deforming the deck, or in extreme cases cracking the hull.
I went with Nautilus advice, and sealed the deck both sides before fixing.
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Don in Cincinnati on 15 Jan , 2010, 14:23
Good advice from Mr. Bill, rokket and Siara.

There are two things happening when you score/sand/file a surface before using glue or paint.

The first is that you microscopically are creating more surface area for the solution to adhere to, in some cases you may even be doubling the area, which of course makes for a better bond.

The second is that some of the scratches actually undercut the surface, which lets the hardened paint/glue key into it, much like a dovetail joint in carpentry.

As for staining the deck as rocket mentioned, that
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Rokket on 16 Jan , 2010, 00:47
Pat, excellent explanation about surface area being two part (I liken this to tires, people always say treads = more surface area - yes, but LESS is contacting road, yet it is the squishy-ness that in some vague way is like your glue example. Or something.)

I stained mine with a stain that was water washup (usually I only like toxic enamel/oil) and had a built-in urethane seal, one step. Worked great, THEN drybrushed (killing 2 paint brushes) many diff charcoals and blends to mke weathered and warn anti-foul Schiffwhatever.
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Pepper-mint on 19 Mar , 2010, 05:46
Hi Siara,

I don't know what kind of words i could use to describe the feeling left after a 44 pages "U-552 - doing it my way" walk !

As i said, this forum is a gift. So many talented and generous people...

I hope to obtain your high quality renderings ; if i have to build only one U-Boat i would put all my passion and skills on duty. Like you do !!!

Amazing, i love your technics.

Cheers,
Pepper-mint.  ;)
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 20 Mar , 2010, 11:02
Im glad you like my build Pepper- mint.
Hopefully one day i can find the carpenter, which can make the base for glass tank.
So far two attemts, and two dissapointments.
I just bought another plank, so will be trying for the third time.

Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 22 Mar , 2010, 03:35
Id love to, but how we gonna manage it in logistical way. I live in London, and the glass tank is quiet big, so sending it by post could end up in the tank being damaged.
Where do you live Johann?
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 22 Mar , 2010, 04:23

Is for your U-552 display??

Yes it is. The glass tank is 1 m long, and the wooden plank is Marocan Mahoganny.
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Siara on 22 Mar , 2010, 04:27
Ill try to solve the problem locally, but if im not succesfull, then i get in touch. Thanks for the offer.
After all how difficult can it be to groove the wood. ;D
Title: Re: U-552 - doing it my way.
Post by: Pepper-mint on 22 Mar , 2010, 10:44
Im glad you like my build Pepper- mint.
Hopefully one day i can find the carpenter, which can make the base for glass tank.
So far two attemts, and two dissapointments.
I just bought another plank, so will be trying for the third time.



Siara what kind of problem do you have ?
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Post by: Siara on 22 Mar , 2010, 12:51
Im glad you like my build Pepper- mint.
Hopefully one day i can find the carpenter, which can make the base for glass tank.
So far two attemts, and two dissapointments.
I just bought another plank, so will be trying for the third time.



Siara what kind of problem do you have ?

My problem is the carpenters i deal with. No pride in what they do. They take the job, bodge it, and pretend it looks good, when it does`nt.
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Post by: Pepper-mint on 22 Mar , 2010, 13:20
Could you give me more technical definitions of the encountered problems : does the wood shrink or "dril" or ...?

In my country "la Haute Savoie" there's only one thing that's not made in wood : ...i don't remember what it is...
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Post by: billp51d on 22 Mar , 2010, 17:20
     Siara... Have you tried talking to a cabinet maker. He should have any tooling thats needed...Planners, routers, joiners...Anything at all, to do what you require.
                Good luck with this. Your workmanship certainly warrants the best..
                                                                    Cheers/Regards...Bill
                                                                 
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Post by: Seewolf on 20 May , 2010, 17:50
Hello Siara,
page 12
Quote
After studying the pictures time, and time again i spoted small part of the bow, that isnt shown on any plans i have, and never been replicated on the model before.
Heres few pics of the part, and quick mock up i created of how i see it. Does anyone know what that actualy is?
Is it part of the GHG, and if so- was it present on U-552?
I`am not quite sure can you say what date these pic. are and best what boat ? For sure it have nothing to do with the GHG.
October 1939 U-11 was first boat fitted for tests with the SN (Nah-S-Ger
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Post by: Siara on 20 May , 2010, 17:56
if you can give me a date or a boat number of the pics it will be very nice.

God only knows.
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Post by: Seewolf on 20 May , 2010, 18:08
OK thanks, than I will ask him later.
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Post by: NZSnowman on 20 May , 2010, 19:37
Seewolf, was the SU-Apparat
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Post by: Seewolf on 21 May , 2010, 13:04
Hello Siara,
10.Mai 1941, U-371, Kieler Howaldtswerke Drydock, but he told me nothing about the purpose of this thing only "sorry top secret"   ;)

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Post by: Siara on 22 May , 2010, 04:48
Hello Siara,
10.Mai 1941, U-371, Kieler Howaldtswerke Drydock, but he told me nothing about the purpose of this thing only "sorry top secret"   ;)
Ha,ha...i like your sence of humor Seewolf. Nice one. :D
Ask his son- he may be easier to talk to. ;)
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Post by: Pierre on 31 Aug , 2010, 16:13
Hi Siara,

I follow since some time your blog about the U-552, but ist stops  :'( Have you some new pictures of the whole sub? or is still something missing. Would be nice to see some more pictures of the fantastic build up.



greetings

Pierre
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Post by: Siara on 31 Aug , 2010, 17:00
The build is on hold at the moment. I need moment of inspiration, and lot more time to tackle the rigging. I know how, but im not ready for the challenge just yet. ;)
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Post by: Rokket on 13 Sep , 2010, 15:54
That's scary, when Siara is not ready for the challenge!
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Post by: chipper on 30 Sep , 2010, 09:40
Siara

When you're able to put together your soldering tutorial, please include a section on metal working.  The types of tools used for bending and cutting,  choices of metals, wire diameters for different functions (exp, .45mm for railing).   This build was, by far, the finest and most instructive I've ever read. Thank you for taking the time to include all of us and share your techniques.   How about a Gato subject next?  Thanks  Chip
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Post by: Rokket on 02 Oct , 2010, 17:49
Yes, I agree
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Post by: Siara on 03 Oct , 2010, 03:45
Im still not ready to tackle the U-552 just yet. All in good time.
Im finishing the "Shallow Crossing" diorama now, so theres not much to be soldered at this point , but i promisse to make small SBS on soldering during my next build.
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Post by: TRM on 03 Oct , 2010, 14:41
That is great news Siara! (Still waiting to see you progress on the 552 though....but understand your tremendous patience. 8) )  I think that there are a lot of us waiting to see your tutorial!  Still looking for a local distributor of a comparable soldering paste.

Cheers!
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Post by: Rokket on 03 Oct , 2010, 22:14
Well said T
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Post by: Greif on 15 Oct , 2010, 02:31
Just wanted to stop by and say hello Siara.  I hope you are doing well and I look forward to trading modelling information with you and admiring your work again.

Cheers,
Ernest
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Post by: Siara on 15 Oct , 2010, 13:59
Good to see you back Ernest- its been a while. ;)
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Post by: iceonaboy on 01 May , 2011, 03:24
Hi Siara, I have greatly enjoyed  reading your topic posts detailing your build. I am forever in your debt for all the tips you gave us along the way.  ;) Congratulations on a quite stunning portrayal of U-552. I am just starting to build my first 1.72 boat and need all the help I can gather. Keep up the great work ;D
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Post by: Plasticfanatic on 01 May , 2011, 04:01
I must say this is truly a magnificent build in all the sence of the word, the detail and fabrication is nothing short of spectacular!!! :o :o
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Post by: Rokket on 06 May , 2011, 19:56
You're right about that!
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Post by: Siara on 01 Mar , 2014, 00:43

6 years after starting this build it is on the home straight to be finished.
Wiring done, and weathering of the lower hull started.
I faded below the waterline first.
Now i'll seal it with some satin varnish, and weather the upper hull.


(http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg74/siara1939/IMG_2706.jpg)
(http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg74/siara1939/IMG_2707.jpg)
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Post by: SG on 01 Mar , 2014, 09:53
Siara I had always thought you had finished U-552 at the time! I never had the chance to congratulate with you for your outstanding modelling skills. I follow your modelling blogs (both the general modelling one and the one about U552) regularly and it's great to see your models on modelling magazines every now and then. Your thread on U-552 here is legendary and an evergreen source of inspiration!
Am sure the completed model will be stunning beyond limits!
Cheers and welcome back!!
SG
PS check your inbox: there should be some PM i wrote you months ago asking for advice ;D
   
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Post by: Siara on 01 Mar , 2014, 12:33
Hi SG.
Thanks for nice words. I did see the PM's but i thought after such long time my answers would be outdated.  ;)
I have couple more articles in the print right now, and nice international project in the making. I can not tell what it is right now, because publisher restricts such actions. I will tell in good time.
I'm hoping to finish this boat now, no more excuses. Lots, and lots of weathering still to do, before she is done.
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Post by: Siara on 01 Mar , 2014, 16:13
Paint fading stage 2.

(http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg74/siara1939/IMG_2714.jpg)
(http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg74/siara1939/IMG_2711.jpg)
(http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg74/siara1939/IMG_2712.jpg)
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Post by: Siara on 02 Mar , 2014, 01:15
Weathering stage 3

(http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg74/siara1939/IMG_2717.jpg)
(http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg74/siara1939/IMG_2723.jpg)
(http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg74/siara1939/IMG_2719.jpg)
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Post by: SG on 02 Mar , 2014, 06:18
Speechless.. :o
Siara would you mind sharing your amazing weathering thechnique?
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Post by: Siara on 02 Mar , 2014, 12:09
Weathering stage 4

(http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg74/siara1939/IMG_2725.jpg)
(http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg74/siara1939/IMG_2724.jpg)
(http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg74/siara1939/IMG_2726.jpg)
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Post by: GlennCauley on 03 Mar , 2014, 07:33
Dude!!!    Long time.   We were just talking about you the other day, then voila! you post.  :D   Hope you are well... I can see your awesome skills haven't diminished over time.   :D
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Post by: Johann Vilthomsen on 03 Mar , 2014, 09:18
I'm glad to hear from you Siara.
This U-boot looks wonderful!
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Post by: Siara on 03 Mar , 2014, 11:34
Thank you.  ;D


Weathering stage 5. Exhaust stains, and more rust.

(http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg74/siara1939/IMG_2729.jpg)
(http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg74/siara1939/IMG_2728.jpg)
(http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg74/siara1939/IMG_2733.jpg)
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Post by: GlennCauley on 03 Mar , 2014, 11:38
It never fails to surprise me when I lift up this model (my own or others)... in that I expect it to be super heavy because they look SO damned realistic.   :D
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Post by: Siara on 04 Mar , 2014, 14:11
Hi Glen. You right about that mate.



Weathering stage 6- chipping.
(http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg74/siara1939/IMG_2744.jpg)
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Post by: FoxbaT on 05 Mar , 2014, 07:50
Looking very nice Siara, good to see you are back!



Karel
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Post by: Siara on 05 Mar , 2014, 13:24
Thank you.


Finished chipping her. Once i gat the flag i will make better pictures of finished boat.
Enjoy:

(http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg74/siara1939/IMG_2748.jpg)
(http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg74/siara1939/IMG_2751.jpg)
(http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg74/siara1939/IMG_2754.jpg)
(http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg74/siara1939/IMG_2755.jpg)
(http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg74/siara1939/IMG_2760.jpg)
(http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg74/siara1939/IMG_2757.jpg)
(http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg74/siara1939/IMG_2752.jpg)
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Post by: Siara on 12 Mar , 2014, 11:57
Thanks. Good to see you like her.  :-\
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Post by: Rokket on 13 Mar , 2014, 01:19
Siara, so glad you're back. Beautiful! Although, I'm going "ahhh darn it all, I WAS happy with mine..." amazing stuff as usual!
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Post by: OldNoob on 18 Mar , 2014, 16:13
Mind- Blown! Hey Siara, Are there high resolution photos available of your finished model?
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Post by: Siara on 27 Mar , 2014, 11:30
I just received the delivery of the KM flags. Great stuff- thank you Wink my mate. Once installed i will post few shots of the finished thing.
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Post by: Rokket on 30 Mar , 2014, 06:37
looking fwd to it!
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Post by: bianco64squalo on 02 Nov , 2016, 01:55
Hi everybody,
I'm a new member of AMP, so don't look me wrong if I ask for something maybe well known by others members of the forum....
The question is: why the photos of the bigger part of this topic aren't visible ?
I'd like very much to see them....
Thanks in advance for any help.
Filippo from Padova, Italy
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Post by: NZSnowman on 02 Nov , 2016, 02:10
Hi everybody,
I'm a new member of AMP, so don't look me wrong if I ask for something maybe well known by others members of the forum....
The question is: why the photos of the bigger part of this topic aren't visible ?
I'd like very much to see them....
Thanks in advance for any help.
Filippo from Padova, Italy

There two likely reasons, 1. Siara delete the pictures or he had them on a free photo image website which went commercial and decide not to pay the commercial fee.
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Post by: bianco64squalo on 02 Nov , 2016, 03:39
Thanks Snowman,
I hope Siara will read these last post and will post the link for this eventual free website....