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VIIC/41 - Schematices drawing
« on: 06 Jan , 2009, 12:19 »
Hello All

I would to introduce myself. I'm Simon Morris from New Zealand. For the last 10 months I have been drawing a 1:60 scale of a general VIIC/41. Durying this time a few quection pop up about the VIIC/41. I am hope that you guys can help my with a few  :)

Here is my first question.
I am looking for the other none water markings, I have seem to found mark II, III & V. I am looking for mark I & IV. I am thinking they are both on the port side of the boat, but i can not found them in the pictures i have of U-995. Does anyone found where they are?

Hull Marking (2 MB) http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?ghtymnymh3n

Thanks, Simon

Here are a few of my drawing, they are all PDF

Conning Tower (6.5 MB) http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?zzyigmmljak
Engine Room (3.3 MB) http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?z2ry2n1dmtq
Motor Room (1.3 MB) http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?l2mgzjmzy2n
Me & Poster (0.7 MB) http://www.mediafire.com/imageview.php?quickkey=zmmzzjyzimo&thumb=6  ;D

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Re: VIIC/41 - Schematices drawing
« Reply #1 on: 06 Jan , 2009, 12:49 »
Hi Simon! Welcome to AMP forum.
I just had the look at the drawings, and i must say im impressed.
Looks like you have wast knowledge in that field.
The poster looks superb, and compartments are full of detail.
I love it.
I can see you had put the capstan on the deck, do you have any reference regarding that part? Im struggling like mad trying to find any good shot of the capstan, and so far i wasnt successful.
Hope to see more of your work here. ;D

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Re: VIIC/41 - Schematices drawing
« Reply #2 on: 06 Jan , 2009, 14:14 »
   Hello Simon..We met on U-boat.net..You'll enjoy this forum..Welcome aboard, mate.. !
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Re: VIIC/41 - Schematices drawing
« Reply #3 on: 06 Jan , 2009, 16:35 »
Hi Siara

Thanks for you comment. I have be watching you build, and wish I had the skills to build one !!!

I have serveral pictures of the capstan on U-955



Maybe you can help me, do you have have any pictures of the lower half of the UZO?

Here are 3 new views of my Capstan & Watertight Container I did last night.
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Re: VIIC/41 - Schematices drawing
« Reply #4 on: 07 Jan , 2009, 00:47 »
good stuff!

If Siara has em I'm sure he'll share em. Welcome.
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Re: VIIC/41 - Schematices drawing
« Reply #5 on: 07 Jan , 2009, 01:08 »
Thanks Simon! Lovely pics. Thats gonna help great deal.
Heres few pics i have for you:







Hope it helps.

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Re: VIIC/41 - Schematices drawing
« Reply #6 on: 07 Jan , 2009, 02:28 »
Thanks Siara they are great  ;D Could not workout what was inside the open hatch on the side of the UZO ??? anyway, unlikely you will see it at 1:60 scale 8)

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Re: VIIC/41 - Schematices drawing
« Reply #7 on: 07 Jan , 2009, 02:29 »
I may be wrong, but not all of them had that opening. I didnt replicate it on my UZO. ;)
Another thing- the column is straight- not conical.
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Re: VIIC/41 - Schematices drawing
« Reply #8 on: 07 Jan , 2009, 03:00 »
I did see that about conical shape, I will fix this before going to bed tonight :)

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Re: VIIC/41 - Schematices drawing
« Reply #9 on: 08 Jan , 2009, 03:17 »
I know that least some had 2 handles that were "C" shaped (go back to the column and not the base).
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Re: VIIC/41 - Schematices drawing
« Reply #10 on: 09 Jan , 2009, 00:43 »
Hello and welcome Simon.  Your work is very nice!  I look forward to following your build.  If I can help with knowledge I will do so.  Again, welcome!

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Re: VIIC/41 - Schematices drawing
« Reply #11 on: 10 Jan , 2009, 20:07 »
Started adding the revets to the bow of my VIIC/41 base on U-995 :)


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Re: VIIC/41 - Schematices drawing
« Reply #12 on: 11 Jan , 2009, 02:23 »
Good job Simon. I like it a lot. Good attention to detail. I just compared your bow with my model- its neer identical, apart from GHG array- more sensors in mine.

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Re: VIIC/41 - Schematices drawing
« Reply #13 on: 11 Jan , 2009, 02:34 »
Very nice job Simon.  I like the camo.

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Re: VIIC/41 - Schematices drawing
« Reply #14 on: 11 Jan , 2009, 09:04 »
   Since the artwork is of a viic/41 and u-995 in particular..Shouldn't the bow have a "Balcongerat" rather than an "S-Gerat"... ?
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Re: VIIC/41 - Schematices drawing
« Reply #15 on: 11 Jan , 2009, 11:25 »
Hi Bill

Yes you are right. I am 99.99% sure that no VIIC/41 have both on at the same time. I have all the different war time sensors on different layers in the drawing. I am able to turn them on or off, this time I had the Balcongerat off & the S-Gerat on. I am mainly basing my drawing from U-1105 & U-995, however, I am thinking about adding all the main sensors to it, just to show poeple all the different sensors on onboard  :)

♦ I am going to add the FuMO-61 Hohentwiel-U (Radar) and FuMO-35 Athos (Radar Warning Receiver) on to my VIIC/41 but I believe that the only Type VII with both on at the same time was U-249  ???
♦ Also U-1105 was cover in Alberich, I don't want to cover my boat in this as I don't want to cover all the detail of the hull. I may put it in a different layer in the drawing.
♦ I want to add Tarnmatte (Radar absorbent material) to the Schnorchel but I unsure how many VIIC/41 had this ???
♦ I have also added gas bottles for the FuMT 30 Aphrodite (Radar decoy), it seen that many Type VII carry these onboard at the end of the war but again I am unsure if any VIIC/41 carry them ???
♦ I also believe all the late war VIIC/41 that had the Balcongerat installed from the beginning did not have the GHG installed and the UT transducers (underwater telegraphy) are also missing ???



Hi Siara, here that I learn about the revets base on U-995.
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Re: VIIC/41 - Schematices drawing
« Reply #16 on: 11 Jan , 2009, 12:19 »
And heres the side shot of mine U-552

Looks like type VII-s had more doublers.

Original size image: http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/269/rivetswk2.jpg
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Re: VIIC/41 - Schematices drawing
« Reply #17 on: 11 Jan , 2009, 12:23 »
    G'day Simon...Not a bad idea showing all the sensors and/or radar equip. Just a thought, though, It wouldn't hurt to have the bits/items color coded with maybe footnotes at the bottom explaining whatever...Of course it's just a thought...Your the artist ! (Your work has been helpful, Thanks !)
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Re: VIIC/41 - Schematices drawing
« Reply #18 on: 11 Jan , 2009, 14:45 »
Hi Bill
I think your right about the footnotes, just been thinking about a way to display it and making it look good. Have also been thinking about adding a few more u-boats toys  ;D


Hi Siara
I'm not 100% sure about the VIIC/41 having more doublers, as almost the entire bow of U-995 has been replace so I can not tell how far the doublers extant forward. I have seen some pictures with full length and other pictures the same as your ??? Also it look like this section of hull has also been replace (the red box) so I unsure of spacing of the revets ???
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Re: VIIC/41 - Schematices drawing
« Reply #19 on: 13 Jan , 2009, 00:14 »
Continue working of the bow section of the wooden deck today.

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Re: VIIC/41 - Schematices drawing
« Reply #20 on: 13 Jan , 2009, 23:54 »

Reworked the FuMO-61 today, add more detail to the drawing  :)

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Re: VIIC/41 - Schematices drawing
« Reply #21 on: 14 Jan , 2009, 09:09 »


I have noted in some pictures (I can not remember if they were from models or real) that the three bow Tie Downs (correct term?) were open on the top. The pictures above are from U-995, they are all the same style with a closing hinge on top. Does anyone know if they were

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Re: VIIC/41 - Schematices drawing
« Reply #22 on: 15 Jan , 2009, 02:10 »
that's a spring cleat. ;)

all the time closed, except You push a rope in it.......
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« Reply #23 on: 15 Jan , 2009, 02:20 »
Thanks rabapla, a spring now all make sense ;D

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Re: VIIC/41 - Schematices drawing
« Reply #24 on: 15 Jan , 2009, 22:35 »
Hi Bill

While working on my VIIC/41 deck today, I noted that some of the high pressure air piping looked incorrect. So I did some researched and use the U-570 Schematic drawings. Using plates 11, 16 and 32. I have came up with a updated layout.



Plate 11 http://www.uboatarchive.net/U-570Plate11.htm
Plate 16 http://www.uboatarchive.net/U-570Plate16.htm
Plate 32 http://www.uboatarchive.net/U-570Plate32.htm
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« Reply #25 on: 16 Jan , 2009, 02:32 »
This is really-really cool, I plan on scratching my inner hull, and this is just perfect!

Its just miss the location of the cunning tower ?

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Re: VIIC/41 - Schematices drawing
« Reply #26 on: 16 Jan , 2009, 03:52 »

Conning tower with no deck.


Conning tower, with deck and no hatch cover.

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« Reply #27 on: 16 Jan , 2009, 04:00 »
Nice work

Since english isnt my native language please forgive me, but I have the impression that conning tower is the presurrized part of the tower, sail, fairwater - or whatever its called??

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Re: VIIC/41 - Schematices drawing
« Reply #28 on: 16 Jan , 2009, 04:59 »
isn't this called the "attack room", position of commander during attack?
it's an extension of the pressure hull (as You did on your beautifull subs"

I think conning tower, sail, fairwater, office and kiosque (for the gallophilic) are all the same.

So You miss the position of the attack room above the "Zentrale"...........
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Re: VIIC/41 - Schematices drawing
« Reply #29 on: 16 Jan , 2009, 06:25 »
Nice work

Since english isnt my native language please forgive me, but I have the impression that conning tower is the presurrized part of the tower, sail, fairwater - or whatever its called??
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« Reply #30 on: 16 Jan , 2009, 06:27 »

Conning tower with no deck.


Conning tower, with deck and no hatch cover.
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« Reply #31 on: 16 Jan , 2009, 14:10 »
isn't this called the "attack room", position of commander during attack?
it's an extension of the pressure hull

Yes- you can look it up here Simon: http://u-552.blogspot.com/2008/04/conning-tower-bottom-part.html

Hope it helps. ;)

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Re: VIIC/41 - Schematices drawing
« Reply #32 on: 16 Jan , 2009, 20:30 »
Hi Mr.Mox. Here a new drawing with a outline of the pressure hull in the Conning tower. Also I have update the Diesel air inlet trunk line today ;D




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« Reply #33 on: 17 Jan , 2009, 02:42 »
Wow, Your model looks great!
Now You just need too "print" it on resin 3D-printing machine and get a beutyfull U-boot.
I would like too ask about few things - I suspect it's a 3D model - is it? What software is Your model made in - AutoCAD, 3D Studio, or something diffrent? What kind of technical drawing reference do You have?

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Re: VIIC/41 - Schematices drawing
« Reply #34 on: 17 Jan , 2009, 12:14 »
The drawing is in 2D only. I am using CorelDraw X4. At the moment there are 70 different layers (for example I are display the boat with or without deck hatches

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« Reply #35 on: 17 Jan , 2009, 12:55 »
The drawing is in 2D only. I am using CorelDraw X4. At the moment there are 70 different layers (for example I are display the boat with or without deck hatches

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« Reply #36 on: 17 Jan , 2009, 12:57 »
Hi Mr.Mox. Here a new drawing with a outline of the pressure hull in the Conning tower. Also I have update the Diesel air inlet trunk line today ;D


Perfect ! nice work!

Cheers/Jan

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« Reply #37 on: 17 Jan , 2009, 13:37 »
The drawing is in 2D only. I am using CorelDraw X4. At the moment there are 70 different layers (for example I are display the boat with or without deck hatches – so you can view that is under the hatches etc...) and there are over 109,000 objects in the drawing.

So my first impression looking Your plates was right - Corel. Next I thought "It can be 3D work" but I was wrong. If You can use some 3D soft i would encourage You to make a solid model basing Your Corel work - I can see You have both great skill and time ;)
I'm using Corel sometimes to color architecture designs and every work over 30,000-40,000 objects is killing me - I'm realy impressed with all the details!
BTW - Can you optimize pictures in some way (just save them as a jpg files), Corel pdf files work pretty slow.

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« Reply #38 on: 17 Jan , 2009, 20:26 »
Hi RIP. I have thought about doing it in 3D. I have only played around with

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Re: VIIC/41 - Schematices drawing
« Reply #39 on: 18 Jan , 2009, 05:51 »
Simon, your work is beautiful!  If you ever considering selling a set of your graphic drawing I would fork over the money!

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« Reply #40 on: 18 Jan , 2009, 10:11 »
Yes - I have only just recently started to think about selling the file of the poster. If I decide to sell the poster, I will only sell it after it 100% finish. However, if people do not want to pay for a poster. I am planning to release for free, a full set of black and white lines plans for the VIIC base on my drawing and all the other plans I have ;D

I have also been thinking I could customize the drawing to any Type VII
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« Reply #41 on: 18 Jan , 2009, 12:33 »
As much as i like the colouring, I would opt for a more technical sample that are more intended on scratching a inner hull and other details. So black and white - maybe with measurement.

But its a nice poster and it may find a audiece - I dont have wallspace for it though.

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« Reply #42 on: 18 Jan , 2009, 12:54 »
Hi Mr Mox. Your right, about a clean, black & white drawing being more useful for modelling. I
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Re: VIIC/41 - Schematices drawing
« Reply #43 on: 19 Jan , 2009, 01:52 »
Does anyone know that these are for on the bow ??? I have seen them on many boats.


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Re: VIIC/41 - Schematices drawing
« Reply #44 on: 19 Jan , 2009, 03:45 »
most often the unused attachment points for the net cutter
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« Reply #45 on: 19 Jan , 2009, 04:37 »
most often the unused attachment points for the net cutter

Gotta agree on this, You can see that further front is 2 smaller ones. Seems the holes in the biggest aft have been welded shut at some point.

Cheers/jan

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« Reply #46 on: 19 Jan , 2009, 11:07 »
Thanks guys for the information. This would explain why I was not seeing them in the late-war boats. Thanks again!!

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Re: VIIC/41 - Schematices drawing
« Reply #47 on: 19 Jan , 2009, 12:42 »
I have located the deck vent for the Bow Driving Tank and the Stern main buoyancy tank but I can't found the deck vent for Stern Driving Tank. Do it have a deck vent? I don't have any picture of the stern to check this and I can

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« Reply #48 on: 19 Jan , 2009, 13:19 »
That may help:


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« Reply #49 on: 19 Jan , 2009, 13:50 »
Thanks Siara. I have this already. This is what makes me believe that there is a missing vent on all the plans I have. If you look closely that all three valves, they all go to the deck. Both the Bow Driving and Stern main buoyancy tanks have deck vents, but where is the Stern Driving Tank deck vent? Surely not all the plans could be wrong ???


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« Reply #50 on: 19 Jan , 2009, 15:40 »
Simon- this is what im thinking you are after:

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« Reply #51 on: 19 Jan , 2009, 22:15 »
Hi Siara, thanks for the help but no, the vent in the picture is for the Stern main buoyancy tanks between frame numbers -1 and -2, the Stern Driving Tank is between frame numbers -10 and -11. This missing vent should be approximately 2.5 m from the end of the stern.

After looking at all my plans again I am starting to think that the Stern Driving Tank was only found on the early U-boats like U-570. By about mid war they have removed the Stern Driving Tank and just made the Stern main buoyancy tanks larger.

In the plans I have for the original form of the Type VII, VIIB and the very early VIIC, the Stern main buoyancy tanks are smaller than the later VIIC. I also see that some of the plans for the late war VIIC/41 have
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« Reply #52 on: 21 Jan , 2009, 01:54 »




TBC...

Hi Siara. I was just wondering how many cleat did you found on the deck? I have only located the same three cleats (marked in red below) that you show in your pictures. Did you found any more? Thanks Simon.


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« Reply #53 on: 21 Jan , 2009, 02:02 »
Some boats had extra set of cleats as seen on the first picture on the side of the conning tower. between front, and back sets of railings.
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« Reply #54 on: 21 Jan , 2009, 02:17 »
Because devil is in detail....





TBC... ;)

Thanks Siara, great infromation again ;D Do you know what these plates are for? Are they diesel or water inlets ???


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« Reply #55 on: 21 Jan , 2009, 02:39 »
I dont know what these things were there for, but i do know- these are not simetrical. If you look closely at the shots, you can see that the one on the port side is slightly protruding forward. Since i have corrected the placing of these parts on my model.

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« Reply #56 on: 21 Jan , 2009, 03:19 »
Thanks again ;D I think I have seen them also on the late-war u-boat like the VIIC/41's. They look to small to be diesel inlets and I believe the water tanks were all in the bow section of the boat, so unlike they would put an inlet here on the stern section. I wonder that they are for ??? Hate the idea of not know :(

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Re: VIIC/41 - Schematices drawing
« Reply #57 on: 22 Jan , 2009, 14:27 »
Antislip strips.



TBC...

Hi Siara.
During your research on the anti-slip strips, did you found that the anti-slip strips were a narrow plate with a double row of bolts? Thanks, Simon

PS. Siara, that is plate below and right of the capstan, with the funny outline? I seen them on the early Type VII's but not on the late-war VII

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« Reply #58 on: 22 Jan , 2009, 14:48 »
During your research on the anti-slip strips, did you found that the anti-slip strips were a narrow plate with a double row of bolts?

Yes- double row studed strips screwed to the deck.
You can just make it out from that shot of U-405:


Siara, that is plate below and right of the capstan, with the funny outline? I seen them on the early Type VII's but not on the late-war VII

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Re: VIIC/41 - Schematices drawing
« Reply #59 on: 22 Jan , 2009, 15:16 »
Thanks Siara.

I mean it say "What" not "That" :-[ Do you know what the plate the with funny outline do?


Also...Do you know what this is call? Thanks.


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« Reply #60 on: 22 Jan , 2009, 15:39 »
Do you know what the plate the with funny outline do?

I really dont know. The shape of it gives me ideas- it may be something to do with the capstan. Picture this:
lever is inserted in the slot, and wedged in the recess to release the clutch mechanism on the capstan ratchet? ???

Than theres two more of these slots on the stern of the boat- so i rally dont know. Maybe someone else can shed some light on it?

Also...Do you know what this is call?

Not a clue my friend. But we have so many submarine eggheads here im sure your question will get answered. ;)

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« Reply #61 on: 23 Jan , 2009, 00:23 »

Also...Do you know what this is call? Thanks.


I know what its called in danish - "klyds" - does that count ?  ;D

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Re: VIIC/41 - Schematices drawing
« Reply #62 on: 23 Jan , 2009, 01:00 »
It's damn frustrating to be i this situation - discover a new angle/part and not have full info. I've never noticed it before!
You right- like this little detail here:


Next step- deck fixings.

TBC...

Hi Siara, While working on the under the deck piping today, I came across your two down pipes. They are the main blowing pipes for tanks 2 and 4 :)


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« Reply #63 on: 23 Jan , 2009, 01:47 »
Good job! I always wondered what the pipes were there for. :D

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« Reply #64 on: 23 Jan , 2009, 02:25 »

 Do you know what the plate the with funny outline do?[/quote]

I really dont know. The shape of it gives me ideas- it may be something to do with the capstan. Picture this:
lever is inserted in the slot, and wedged in the recess to release the clutch mechanism on the capstan ratchet? ???

Than theres two more of these slots on the stern of the boat- so i rally dont know. Maybe someone else can shed some light on

Not a clue my friend. But we have so many submarine eggheads here im sure your question will get answered. ;)

[/quote]
    G/day Simon/Siara...I've been puzzled myself over these 3 bits..After looking at many deck photos and drwgs. I think I may have found something...If you look at the General Plan Drawing for VIIC ..The top view shows these 3 pieces...the 2 on the stern are on either side of the spare torpedo stowage..the 1 on the bow is directly in line with the torpedo stowage..If you look at a photo of the crew removing the aft. torpedo you'll see that the rigging is attached to the deck...It's just a "wild guess" but I think these odd looking bits are used for the rigging.
 I hope this is of some help...It sure seems a practicle application....Cheers/Regards..Bill

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Re: VIIC/41 - Schematices drawing
« Reply #65 on: 23 Jan , 2009, 11:38 »
Thanks Siara. I have this already. This is what makes me believe that there is a missing vent on all the plans I have. If you look closely that all three valves, they all go to the deck. Both the Bow Driving and Stern main buoyancy tanks have deck vents, but where is the Stern Driving Tank deck vent? Surely not all the plans could be wrong ???



I think I may have found the missing inlet vent for the Stern Driving Tank that is found between frame numbers -10 and -11 :) If you look at all three sterm plans you can make it out. I easiest to see on the VIID plans. Does anyone have any pictures of the very end of the stern, so I can check this?



Here are two plans that show the Stern Driving Tank in blue.
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Re: VIIC/41 - Schematices drawing
« Reply #66 on: 24 Jan , 2009, 11:45 »
It's damn frustrating to be i this situation - discover a new angle/part and not have full info. I've never noticed it before!
You right- like this little detail here:


Next step- deck fixings.

TBC...

Hi Siara. Still continuing my research on the under the deck piping, it looks like I came across your other piping this morning. They look like they are part of the oil venting system ;D

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« Reply #67 on: 24 Jan , 2009, 12:54 »
Thank you guys for your continuous support! ;)

More details. Not much left to be done.

Some hatches, and steel plates were added to the sides:


TBC....




Access hatches for side and top valves (Red) ;D

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« Reply #68 on: 24 Jan , 2009, 14:12 »
Hi Simon, the drawings are looking very, very nice!  I'll bet it takes some time doing the detail work.

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« Reply #69 on: 24 Jan , 2009, 22:06 »
Hi Simon, the drawings are looking very, very nice!  I'll bet it takes some time doing the detail work.

I have spent approximately 70 hours drawing and researching just for the networks of pipes under the deck ;D I am hoping to have able an full set of working plans in one or two weeks that peolpe can download. The drawing will mapped all the pipes, hatch openings etc
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Re: VIIC/41 - Schematices drawing
« Reply #70 on: 27 Jan , 2009, 03:15 »
I noted what a few people over the last few weeks have been putting hinges on the deck hatches. So, this morning I decide I should check my deck hatches on my drawing. I noted some of my hatches and hinges did not match. So today I did some research on some good pictures I have of decks of U-249 (VIIC) and U-1023 & U-1109 (VIIC/41). Below this the bow hatch covers layout including hinges and opening side. Arrow point to opening side, flat end of arrow show hinge side. This is possibly the standard layout of the bow hatches on late VIIC and VIIC/41.


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« Reply #71 on: 27 Jan , 2009, 14:16 »
I noted what a few people over the last few weeks have been putting hinges on the deck hatches. So, this morning I decide I should check my deck hatches on my drawing. I noted some of my hatches and hinges did not match. So today I did some research on some good pictures I have of decks of U-249 (VIIC) and U-1023 & U-1109 (VIIC/41). Below this the bow hatch covers layout including hinges and opening side. Arrow point to opening side, flat end of arrow show hinge side. This is possibly the standard layout of the bow hatches on late VIIC and VIIC/41.



Nice work on the hatch hinges Simon!  Of course I realize that I placed the hinges on the wrong side of the hatch that is furthest from the bow now. Nooooo!  ;D

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« Reply #72 on: 27 Jan , 2009, 16:13 »
Does anyone know the attachment location on the deck for the Radio Aerial wire to the stern? On U-boat plans they show the wires attaching to just inside the deck edge (A) and all photographs I seen show the wires attaching to the edge of the deck (B). Which is correct?



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« Reply #73 on: 28 Jan , 2009, 00:38 »
I have located the deck vent for the Bow Driving Tank and the Stern main buoyancy tank but I can't found the deck vent for Stern Driving Tank. Do it have a deck vent? I don't have any picture of the stern to check this and I can

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« Reply #74 on: 28 Jan , 2009, 12:27 »
Hi Simon,

Position A for the radio aerial wire. VERY nice drawings!

Cheers,

Dougie

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« Reply #75 on: 28 Jan , 2009, 17:39 »
Hi Simon,

Position A for the radio aerial wire. VERY nice drawings!

Cheers,

Dougie

Thanks for the information on the position of the radio aerial wire :D

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« Reply #76 on: 29 Jan , 2009, 04:29 »
Really impressive drawing and attitude. I will watch this space closely for further developments!
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« Reply #77 on: 29 Jan , 2009, 18:19 »


Does anyone have a picture of this smaller bow hatch on the port side (in red)? Or can anyone confirm if it was hinged (& what way it open) or was it bolted on to the deck ??? Thanks, Simon.


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« Reply #78 on: 29 Jan , 2009, 23:56 »
Hi Siara

I was wondering that length did you make your Grapnels? Also during your research on the Grapnels did you come across how it was fix to the deck? I imagine the grapnels were fixed with wing nuts so they could be quickly and easily remove when needed ???  Thanks, Simon.

Siara,
Some times it's hard to believe to detail you put on a build. It also gives me insperation and ideas for my own build. Keep the pics coming.
Thanks Wildspear!
Ill keep the pics coming as you wish....

Grapnels- i think thats what this thing is called- does anybody know?
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TBC...

Hi Siara. Another question about the Grapnels - wood or metal ??? Thanks, Simon.

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« Reply #79 on: 30 Jan , 2009, 03:33 »
Do you know what the plate the with funny outline do?

I really dont know. The shape of it gives me ideas- it may be something to do with the capstan. Picture this:
lever is inserted in the slot, and wedged in the recess to release the clutch mechanism on the capstan ratchet? ???

Than theres two more of these slots on the stern of the boat- so i rally dont know. Maybe someone else can shed some light on it?

Also...Do you know what this is call?

Not a clue my friend. But we have so many submarine eggheads here im sure your question will get answered. ;)

      ..Still no ideas on what these three plates with the funny outline are ?? (I doubt if they're for a clutch release though !)  Anybody at all ? ANYBODY ??

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« Reply #80 on: 30 Jan , 2009, 10:04 »
Do you know what the plate the with funny outline do?

I really dont know. The shape of it gives me ideas- it may be something to do with the capstan. Picture this:
lever is inserted in the slot, and wedged in the recess to release the clutch mechanism on the capstan ratchet? ???

Than theres two more of these slots on the stern of the boat- so i rally dont know. Maybe someone else can shed some light on it?

Also...Do you know what this is call?

Not a clue my friend. But we have so many submarine eggheads here im sure your question will get answered. ;)

      ..Still no ideas on what these three plates with the funny outline are ?? (I doubt if they're for a clutch release though !)  Anybody at all ? ANYBODY ??

Hi Bill, I been doing my research on the layouts of the deck & under deck for my drawing for over 3 weeks now. I have looked at a lots of plans & photographs (I have seen many new views of different parts of the deck & learn a heap about deck layout), however, like you Bill, I still have no idea that they are or that they are for. I have never them on any late war VIIC or any VIIC/41, unless they are under the deck, (however, are no hatches in these areas), I have never seen a picture of them being used. I will continue doing my research on the deck, and maybe something will turn up. I am hoping to have layout plan ready for people to have a look at by the end of next week of all the things I have learn during my research.

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« Reply #81 on: 30 Jan , 2009, 11:49 »
Hi Simon,

I don't have a close up photo, but it can be seen from a distance in -



Your hatch should be the same as the hatches on the aft deck. These can be seen below -



These style of hatches has two small hinges at one end. Towards the opposite side there was a semi-circular hole to allow the hatch to be opened.

Not sure what the weird shaped oulines were on the deck but Type IIs had them too.

Cheers,

Dougie

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« Reply #82 on: 30 Jan , 2009, 13:36 »
Hi Simon,

I don't have a close up photo, but it can be seen from a distance in -


Your hatch should be the same as the hatches on the aft deck. These can be seen below -


These style of hatches has two small hinges at one end. Towards the opposite side there was a semi-circular hole to allow the hatch to be opened.

Not sure what the weird shaped oulines were on the deck but Type IIs had them too.

Cheers,

Dougie

Thanks Dougie. Very useful. Best photo I have see of the bow yet. Remembered me that I had not add the Forward Bow Hook Hatch. It

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« Reply #83 on: 30 Jan , 2009, 14:39 »
......And the quest continues..Thanks Simon/Dougie...Bill

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« Reply #84 on: 31 Jan , 2009, 10:42 »
I found this photograph in the book U-BOOTE CREWS by Jean Delize. If you look at the photograph it looks like that hatch number 1 is immediately behind the bollards, however, on the plans this hatch is drawn further away from the bollards.

I was wondering that other people thoughts were on the hatch placement?






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« Reply #85 on: 01 Feb , 2009, 11:35 »
Hi Siara

I was wondering that length did you make your Grapnels? Also during your research on the Grapnels did you come across how it was fix to the deck? I imagine the grapnels were fixed with wing nuts so they could be quickly and easily remove when needed ???  Thanks, Simon.

Siara,
Some times it's hard to believe to detail you put on a build. It also gives me insperation and ideas for my own build. Keep the pics coming.
Thanks Wildspear!
Ill keep the pics coming as you wish....

Grapnels- i think thats what this thing is called- does anybody know?
...
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...


TBC...

Hi Siara. Another question about the Grapnels - wood or metal ??? Thanks, Simon.
     Hi Simon....Grapnels ?....More than likely wood...If they got dropped overboard they would float ! If metal..They'd be too heavy to handle unless they were tubes...
                                                                       Bill...

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« Reply #86 on: 01 Feb , 2009, 11:53 »
Thanks Bill ;D

Had never given it any thought if it was made of wood or metal until the other day while I was surfing the net and I came across a picture of it on a model, painted in a wood colours. I thought it would be wood not metal, not because the floating thing (but I like your reason better), I thought because, if they stop making the u-boat decks out of metal then were would be no way they would make the Grapnels with metal ;)

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« Reply #87 on: 01 Feb , 2009, 12:06 »
Hi Simon,

Looking at a few VIIC photos there is a definite space between the bollards and hatch 1. The photo you posted was taken at such an angle that this space can't be appreciated. I'd say the position of the hatches in the Delize plan look about right.

Cheers,

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« Reply #88 on: 01 Feb , 2009, 12:15 »
I thought because, if they stop making the u-boat decks out of metal then were would be no way they would make the Grapnels with metal ;)

The reason the deck is wood, because wood is less prone to freezing in harsh climates- those less slippery

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« Reply #89 on: 01 Feb , 2009, 23:34 »
Hi Simon,

Looking at a few VIIC photos there is a definite space between the bollards and hatch 1. The photo you posted was taken at such an angle that this space can't be appreciated. I'd say the position of the hatches in the Delize plan look about right.

Cheers,

Dougie

Thanks Dougie for the input :)

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« Reply #90 on: 02 Feb , 2009, 16:33 »
It was a dreadful day at the shipyard, the weather continues getting worse. The morning started with only light rain but by late morning the weather was awful, driving rain and strong winds. The dockworkers refuse to work outside today. They were keen to finish the deck of U-1308, the newest VIIC/41 in the fleet, nevertheless they all voted to work inside due to the weather. They decided to work in the aft battery room.

They installed the new 33 MAL 800 batteries and connected them all up, next they install the small maintenance trolley. They were nearly done with the aft battery room, when they heard the end-of-day whistle blow. Before the whistle finished, they had drop there tools and were halfway out the gate on there way home. There is always tomorrow to finish it ;D

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« Reply #91 on: 02 Feb , 2009, 17:42 »
    Simon...This was a different and interesting presentation...A breath of fresh air, as it were..I guess thats an exerpt from a book! What's its title ? Looks to be good reading..Also, as always, nice looking artwork of the galley and battery compartment...
                                                 Bill

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Re: VIIC/41 - Schematices drawing
« Reply #92 on: 03 Feb , 2009, 11:34 »


Hi Siara, This is U-552?

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« Reply #93 on: 03 Feb , 2009, 12:39 »
No it isnt, in fact the boat is unknown, as far as i know.
U-552 had the conning tower without the extended air vents.

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« Reply #94 on: 03 Feb , 2009, 12:43 »
No it isnt, in fact the boat is unknown, as far as i know.
U-552 had the conning tower without the extended air vents.
  .....And there appears to be some difference in the flood holes from your model...

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« Reply #95 on: 03 Feb , 2009, 18:21 »
Hi Siara, This is U-552?

Thanks, Siara :)

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« Reply #96 on: 06 Feb , 2009, 12:24 »
Does anyone have an image or know how the Aft Navigation Light was attached to the deck on either late war VIIC or VIIC/41? Was it attached to a metal plate (Fig. B) or was it attached to the wooden deck (Fig. A) ???

Thanks, Simon.


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« Reply #97 on: 06 Feb , 2009, 14:12 »
Does anyone have an image or know how the Aft Navigation Light was attached to the deck on either late war VIIC or VIIC/41? Was it attached to a metal plate (Fig. B) or was it attached to the wooden deck (Fig. A) ???

Thanks, Simon.



Simon, this probably is not much help, but on my model the light housing is directly on the deck.  By the way, did you get the measurements I sent?

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« Reply #98 on: 06 Feb , 2009, 15:39 »
Simon, this probably is not much help, but on my model the light housing is directly on the deck.  By the way, did you get the measurements I sent?

Yes, thank you. I used them to check the Schnorchel Placement http://models.rokket.biz/index.php?topic=121.0

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« Reply #99 on: 07 Feb , 2009, 14:57 »
I'm eager to see the continuation of the bowplane cable tensioner assembly.
I'm curious... the things you just made... are they the "self-adjusting tensioners"  that have a heavy spring inside? 
(They do not look like normal manually-adjustable cable tensioners like I made for U-625.)

Glenn- ive seen your tensioners on the U-625- the hook type on the conning tower. I could not get the reference regarding the bowplane tensioners assembly anywhere on the net, apart from few scetchy drawings, and one, or 2 fuzzy pictures- where to be honest with you all you can see is that the cable is there, but how it is all made is not clear.
I was guided by picture of the Glen Buckners boat:

I was trying to replicate what hes done there.
Am i right or wrong? Is there fotografic evidence how the part looked like?

I got around to adding my cable tensioner assembly for the forward hydroplane today. Here is my best guest. Hard to tell if its correct without any good pictures around. I also base my from the picture of U-69 and two other additional pictures where you can see the cable tensioner is visible. The tensioner is base on the close-up picture of U-249 Radio Aerial wire tensioner assembly.

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« Reply #100 on: 07 Feb , 2009, 17:11 »
Hello,

I don't know if I can be of any help to you, but I have some German plans that may be can help. They are quite big and numerous, but I give you an exemple of what they show.

Here after is part of the plan of the GHG.



If you are interested I can scan the rest of the things that you need.

Cordially,

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« Reply #101 on: 07 Feb , 2009, 21:00 »
Hello,

I don't know if I can be of any help to you, but I have some German plans that may be can help. They are quite big and numerous, but I give you an exemple of what they show.

Here after is part of the plan of the GHG.



If you are interested I can scan the rest of the things that you need.

Cordially,

Thanks Trierarch. You have PM.

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Re: VIIC/41 - Schematices drawing
« Reply #102 on: 08 Feb , 2009, 04:05 »
Hello,

I hope you got my emails. If someone else is interested here is the address where you can get these plans:

http://www.christian-schmidt-fachbuchhandlung.de/

It is in Munich in Germany, but you can write in English.


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« Reply #103 on: 09 Feb , 2009, 14:45 »
Maybe I am getting carry away with the detail ;D The GHG & UT wiring from sensors to PH. Thanks Trierarch for the plans.

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« Reply #104 on: 10 Feb , 2009, 09:22 »
Bloody hell- extreme detailing. Wish you were here when i was researching the U-552. ;D

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Re: VIIC/41 - Schematices drawing
« Reply #105 on: 10 Feb , 2009, 19:56 »
Does anyone know if the height between the top of the pressure hull and the deck was greater for the VIIC/41 compare to the VIIC? I measurement the distance and I find that the VIIC/41 is approximately 200 mm higher. Is this correct?

Was it higher to make more room for piping etc...?


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Re: VIIC/41 - Schematices drawing
« Reply #106 on: 13 Feb , 2009, 22:14 »
I have just finish completely redrawing the stern part of the hull of my drawing. I have used genuine U-boat measurement base on very precise U-boat plans. That I was very kindly given to me by Trierarch ;D. All the frames, ribbings,

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« Reply #107 on: 14 Feb , 2009, 01:50 »
Really good job!
I can imagine, your drawings to be of great help for the model builders. Where were you when i needed to know how the U-Boot intestines looked like? >:(
I hope you will make the same kind of drawings before i start the type II. ;)

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« Reply #108 on: 15 Feb , 2009, 01:39 »
Superb, :D

You are really making an outstanding job here.

I am glad that my plans helped you so much, but yours , as Siarra mentioned justly, will become the new Bible reference for future modelers. 8)

I can't wait to see the rest. :P

As I am actually working on the front inside parts, I think I will wait a bit until you have completed that part too before I go any further.

I will also second Siarra vote for a set of plans on type II. ;)

Cordially,

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« Reply #109 on: 15 Feb , 2009, 03:18 »
As I am actually working on the front inside parts, I think I will wait a bit until you have completed that part too before I go any further.

I have just started on the engine room today :) I will finish this section and then move to the bow section. I have done a lot of it already. I think I only need to check the frames and ribing spacing ::)

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« Reply #110 on: 15 Feb , 2009, 11:40 »
Good, so it leave me plenty of time for a few of those excellent German beers...  :P Maybe I'll also go for some schnapps as well to toast to your superb plans... 8) hips!!! ;)

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« Reply #111 on: 15 Feb , 2009, 12:34 »
Hi guys,

There will be a Type II side profile plan in 72nd scale in the AMP set. When we were designing the set we drew a plan as we were going along. This is essential to show the modeller exactly where the hull pieces and drill templates should be placed on the kit hull. The idea is for the modeller to lay the kit hull on top of the plan, and then get placement of the parts in the correct position.

The same is true for the tower. We have side profiles for both sides of the tower (both inside the tower walls and outside).

We don't have internal plans as the set deals with the external parts of the Type IIA.

I'd love to see Simon extending his considerable talents to the internals of the Type IIA!

Cheers,

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« Reply #112 on: 16 Feb , 2009, 01:31 »
Engine Room - Oil Tanks & Frames ;D Thanks anyone for the nice words.


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Re: VIIC/41 - Schematices drawing
« Reply #113 on: 16 Feb , 2009, 10:46 »
Thought this be the quickly way to get the news out (as it on tomorrow) than starting a new topic. I just find this over at the Uboat.net forum.
A documentary on U-480 about Alberich http://www.arte.tv/de/woche/244,broadcastingNum=975967,day=5,week=8,year=2009.html

English
http://babelfish.yahoo.com/translate_url?doit=done&tt=url&intl=1&fr=bf-home&trurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.arte.tv%2Fde%2Fwoche%2F244%2CbroadcastingNum%3D975967%2Cday%3D5%2Cweek%3D8%2Cyear%3D2009.html&lp=de_en&btnTrUrl=Translate

Now I wish I was in Germany, as my girlfriend is German and currently over there :'( & I would love to be able to watch is DocO :'(

Updated
If anyone gets to see this DocO, I would be keen to know and ask a few questions, as I am doing U-1308, I would be keen to know anything about how the titles looked on the boat, size, layout etc
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« Reply #114 on: 16 Feb , 2009, 10:57 »
Hello,

Thanks for the info, I will look it with great pleasure. ;D

It is just a shame that I have nothing to record it :'(. Maybe later you can check Arte Internet site as they do sometimes sell copies of their programs afterward.

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« Reply #115 on: 16 Feb , 2009, 11:12 »
Thanks Trierarch, Happy watching. I jealous :P :P :P I should be a good DocO. I will check web site and try to get a copy.

If you get to see anything about the titles layout I would be very keen to know. They may even have pictures of U-480 at the bottom of the sea with some of it title still open, that would be very cool 8)

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« Reply #116 on: 18 Feb , 2009, 14:55 »
Hello,

Good news you can watch it here. It will be available for one week starting now!!!

http://plus7.arte.tv/fr/detailPage/1697660,CmC=2454420,scheduleId=2415840.html

I am afraid it is in french so :'( For me it is no problem of course, but at least you can see the whole pictures.

Happy wiewing to everybody ;)

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« Reply #117 on: 18 Feb , 2009, 16:04 »
I forgot to mention that yes you see the ship at the bottom of the channel, and plenty of the rubber tiles detail. They say they had 2 coats, the first one was plain, and then it was covered with a second one with 2 sizes holes to absorb ASDIC.

They say that even the horizontal surfaces of the guns were covered!!!

A great view also of the mirror of the sky view scope among other things.

If you have questions of what they say on particular points, just ask me ;).

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« Reply #118 on: 18 Feb , 2009, 16:15 »
The video is not available- i think thats what it says.  :-\

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« Reply #119 on: 18 Feb , 2009, 16:38 »
Sorry you can't watch it, but apparently they have displayed it over 800 times in less than an hour... I tried the link and it work on my computer, may be try again later.

In the mean time here are a few pictures:

Tiles details





On this one the finger at the bottom left corner gives you an idea of the scale ;)


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« Reply #120 on: 18 Feb , 2009, 16:42 »
The sky periscope mirror



The arrival of the ship at it's base, but I am not certain from the movie that it is the right ship... ???





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« Reply #121 on: 18 Feb , 2009, 16:50 »
Hello Siara,

You are correct, right now you can only see the movie with my link, the DVD is not yet available.  I think the video should be out in a few weeks as they sell them from almost all their programs. The video has already reached over 1000 views so far, with such a popular subject, they will need to make a DVD I am quite sure.
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« Reply #122 on: 18 Feb , 2009, 19:00 »
Hi Trierarch. I have only got back from the city (I live about 1

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« Reply #123 on: 18 Feb , 2009, 22:13 »
I have always wondered that were the total lengths of the Type VIIC are. So while reading The U-boat The evolution and technical history of German submarines I found the numbers. Just thought some of you would be keen to know them.

Version   Total length (mm)

VIIC      67,100

VIIC/41   67,230

VIIC/42A   68,730 (Final VIIC/42 version)         
VIIC/42B   73,400
VIIC/42C   Either 68,730 or 73,400

VIIC/43   68,730 (Total length was not decided)

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« Reply #124 on: 19 Feb , 2009, 06:49 »
Hello Simon,

Administrative problems seems to bug us all over the world, I have been restauring and reselling a few flats, and one of the biggest constraint was often the French administration.

Concerning the movie the main diver is Innes McCartney.

I copied a few facts about him, but I am certain that the people that live in England can somehow contact him.

Innes McCartney is an historian and nautical archaeologist, specialising in 20th century naval vessels. He lectures widely on a number of associated subjects. A passion for shipwrecks has led to some famous discoveries, including the submarine M1 and the battlecruiser HMS Indefatigable. His previous book, Lost Patrols detailed his uncovering the 121 submarines sunk in the English Channel. He lives and works in Penzance, Cornwall.

Dive magasine gives anothe adress:

Born 24 March 1964, London

Lives Cookham, Berkshire

He is also, the editor of Periscope magazine:

http://www.periscopepublishing.com/

I hope that these info can help you a bit,

Cordially,
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« Reply #125 on: 19 Feb , 2009, 16:04 »
Sorry you can't watch it, but apparently they have displayed it over 800 times in less than an hour... I tried the link and it work on my computer, may be try again later.

In the mean time here are a few pictures:

Tiles details





On this one the finger at the bottom left corner gives you an idea of the scale ;)


 :)

Hi Trierarch

Could you see the seam between tiles?

Thanks, Simon.

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« Reply #126 on: 20 Feb , 2009, 08:45 »
Hello NZsnowman,

Yes you could see the seams between the tiles. The tiles seams not very large, and apparently they are not all the same size either.

On this picture you can see a seam at the bottom left:



Here is a view of the pierced plate being glued onto the basic coat of plain rubber. The basic coat is glued directly on the hull. They say rhat all flat surfaces were covered, including the guns shields. Two exceptions are the CT floor and all the hatches.



On this photo you can see a plate separating from the boat surface. This gives you an idea of the thickness of the rubber.



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« Reply #127 on: 20 Feb , 2009, 08:50 »
Here are some shots of the 3D modelisation they used for some movie sequences





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« Reply #128 on: 20 Feb , 2009, 08:54 »
As you are drawing plans maybe this shot will interest you too. It is one of the propeller that has lost its cover. This way you can see the screw that maintain it in place.


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« Reply #129 on: 20 Feb , 2009, 12:47 »
Thanks Trierarch for the pictures
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Re: VIIC/41 - Schematices drawing
« Reply #130 on: 20 Feb , 2009, 13:30 »
Does anyone know if the height between the top of the pressure hull and the deck was greater for the VIIC/41 compare to the VIIC? I measurement the distance and I find that the VIIC/41 is approximately 200 mm higher. Is this correct?

Was it higher to make more room for piping etc...?




Just an update on this question, if a few people are wondering :)

After looking at the u-boat plans a little bit more, I believe that the deck height was the same for both the VIIC and the VIIC/41, in fact all the Type VII

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« Reply #131 on: 20 Feb , 2009, 20:37 »
Does anyone have any pictures of the inside of the keel for the Type VII's? I am after any pictures of the frames within the keel.

Thanks, Simon

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Re: VIIC/41 - Schematices drawing
« Reply #132 on: 24 Feb , 2009, 01:34 »
Added the Balconger

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« Reply #133 on: 24 Feb , 2009, 11:27 »
I was reading The U-Boat: The Evolution and Technical History of German Submarines by Eberhard Rossler this morning and it say there were 18,400 construction drawings for the Type XXI  :o :o :o WOW!! Maybe I am missing a few sets of plans ;)
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« Reply #134 on: 24 Feb , 2009, 12:56 »
Added the S-Ger

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« Reply #135 on: 27 Feb , 2009, 00:38 »
very nice dwg!
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Re: VIIC/41 - Schematices drawing
« Reply #136 on: 27 Feb , 2009, 18:11 »
I have just finish the bow section today after completely redrawing it base on real genuine U-boat measurement. Happy viewing :)

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« Reply #137 on: 27 Feb , 2009, 20:32 »
            Many thanks, Simon..I'm putting these to good use..You've saved me much legwork !
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« Reply #138 on: 27 Feb , 2009, 20:56 »
I was hoping to have a updated to my working drawing by now, but it taking me a lots longer to make all the chages and make sure that all the measurements are 100% right. It will be another two weeks :( before I will have a major update ready for the working drawing, but is should be worth the long wait ;)

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« Reply #139 on: 28 Feb , 2009, 12:10 »
Hi Simon,

Very impressive, keep up the good work.

Cheers,

Dougie

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Re: VIIC/41 - Schematices drawing
« Reply #140 on: 02 Mar , 2009, 00:10 »
Hi Simon, the bow section looks really great!  Wish I could draw as well as you.  Guess I could do a stick figure uboat with my drawing skills.  :D

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Re: VIIC/41 - Schematices drawing
« Reply #141 on: 06 Mar , 2009, 20:44 »
Not a very exciting one today. Here the framing and ribbing for the Bow Torpedo Room, again base on real U-boat measurement. Happy viewing :)


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« Reply #142 on: 13 Mar , 2009, 19:57 »
Here the next section for the framing and ribbing, the Officer & Senior Rate Quarters (again not very exciting section). The tanks mid picture are the washing water tanks, the red bar is the vent valve control arm for the Bow Dive Tanks & the hatch within the PH is the Battery Loading Hatch. Happy viewing :)


Officer & Senior Rate       Bow Torpedo Room              Bow
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« Reply #143 on: 14 Mar , 2009, 20:52 »
beautiful stuff
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« Reply #144 on: 16 Mar , 2009, 02:48 »
Beautiful work Simon!

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« Reply #145 on: 21 Mar , 2009, 13:33 »
Does anyone have any war-time pictures of the inlets for the main diving tank? These inlets are the ones just above the keel.

Also just conforming the inlets config layout are....... 1 by 2 or 2 by 2, as I have seen drawings of both ???

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« Reply #146 on: 21 Mar , 2009, 17:11 »
There are a few dark and fuzzy ones out there, not much. Dougie might be able to point you in the right direction.
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« Reply #147 on: 22 Mar , 2009, 13:46 »
Does anyone have any pictures or drawings of the base of the attack periscope? Thank Simon :)

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« Reply #148 on: 23 Mar , 2009, 02:31 »
Here the next section for the framing and ribbing, the Main Diving Tank ;D


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« Reply #149 on: 24 Mar , 2009, 00:39 »
you really have a big project going on here..when you build you'll think that it's the easy part!
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« Reply #150 on: 04 Apr , 2009, 23:24 »
Here is a updated drawing of the Engine Room :)






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« Reply #151 on: 05 Apr , 2009, 22:15 »
Does anyone have any pictures from inside a conning tower?

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« Reply #152 on: 06 Apr , 2009, 05:05 »
Not so much. I've seen one from ladder to bridge, but not helpful inside. Anatomy of a Uboat has some drawings.
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« Reply #153 on: 06 Apr , 2009, 13:30 »
You can right about the modest amount of pictures from inside a conning tower :( I have only see the three from picture of U-995.

http://www.uboat.net/gallery/index.html?gallery=U995C&img=7
http://www.uboat.net/gallery/index.html?gallery=U995C&img=9
http://www.uboat.net/gallery/index.html?gallery=U995C&img=8

They are useful. Its a part of a boat that we don

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« Reply #154 on: 06 Apr , 2009, 15:03 »
Water which entered the boat through the hatch was allowed to flow freely through the floor to the galleys which were situated on both sides of the pressure hull, and then was pumped out.
I heard they used these gulleys as the makeshift toilet. Must have been nice and smelly inside there, when it all mixed up with diesel, sweat, and all the other man flavours. ::)
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« Reply #155 on: 06 Apr , 2009, 22:19 »
Thanks Siara for the information. Are the galleys you are talking about in in red?



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Re: VIIC/41 - Schematices drawing
« Reply #156 on: 07 Apr , 2009, 05:18 »
Do you know what the plate the with funny outline do?

I really dont know. The shape of it gives me ideas- it may be something to do with the capstan. Picture this:
lever is inserted in the slot, and wedged in the recess to release the clutch mechanism on the capstan ratchet? ???

Than theres two more of these slots on the stern of the boat- so i rally dont know. Maybe someone else can shed some light on it?

Also...Do you know what this is call?

Not a clue my friend. But we have so many submarine eggheads here im sure your question will get answered. ;)

        http://www.dreadnoughtproject.org/plans/KM_Uboot_Type_II_1934/
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Re: VIIC/41 - Schematices drawing
« Reply #157 on: 07 Apr , 2009, 12:55 »
Two thumb up Bill  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

A huge thanks for the link to the plans
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Re: VIIC/41 - Schematices drawing
« Reply #158 on: 08 Apr , 2009, 19:55 »
yes bill thanks alot for the link . i checked it out today and was very impressed . i myself have never seen a real set of u boat plans . very interesting indeed . like the type 2 . small but a nice boat .cant wait to see the new tamiya 1/35 type 2 boat when it comes out . the one siara turned us on to .well anyway good work on the plans site . have a good one. :) :) :) :) :)

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Re: VIIC/41 - Schematices drawing
« Reply #159 on: 10 Apr , 2009, 00:08 »
The tip of the search periscope was painted white at the factory but often captains painted it the same colour of the boat. I was wondering what others are doing with their search periscope.

White or Gray?

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Re: VIIC/41 - Schematices drawing
« Reply #160 on: 10 Apr , 2009, 02:16 »
Gray. 8)

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Re: VIIC/41 - Schematices drawing
« Reply #161 on: 10 Apr , 2009, 11:18 »
Thanks Siara, any reason why gray? Only because it look better or did you know it was gray on U-552?

Also Siara, I was wondering the galleys you are talking about in the other post are they the areas in red (see picture below)?

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Re: VIIC/41 - Schematices drawing
« Reply #162 on: 10 Apr , 2009, 13:23 »
The gray color was standard for everything that was sticking out above the water line.  White color is high contrast, and would be seen easily by aircraft or passing ships. I think the color of the horizon has something to do with it. There were instances where part or whole of the conning tower was painted light gray- almost white, but it was reserved for boats operating near the ice cups of the north sea.
I have close up picture of the periscopes, and even tho they are black, and white-the scopes are deffinitely gray.

Regarding the gulley, i dont know exactly, but i thought they were situated below the control room floor.

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Re: VIIC/41 - Schematices drawing
« Reply #163 on: 10 Apr , 2009, 13:30 »
Thanks for you feedback Siara, very insightful and helpful

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Re: VIIC/41 - Schematices drawing
« Reply #164 on: 10 Apr , 2009, 16:08 »
cant wait to see the new tamiya 1/35 type 2 boat when it comes out . the one siara turned us on to.

Uhmmmm... you mean the 1/35 model which was the April Fools joke?   ;)
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Re: VIIC/41 - Schematices drawing
« Reply #165 on: 11 Apr , 2009, 14:43 »
The base of the search periscope in the Control Room on U-995 is painted gray with black paint over the gray. All the pictures I have found on the net this morning of the base of the search periscope are gray ??? Can anyone confirm that they are gray not black.

Also does anyone have any good pictures of the controls on the side of the periscope, the ones on U-995 are missing.

Thanks Simon

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Re: VIIC/41 - Schematices drawing
« Reply #166 on: 12 Apr , 2009, 22:36 »
Dougie might know. As for 995, she's "interesting" but so hacked up and served after WWII, and poorly conserved (historically if not physically, anyway), that she is almost a terrible example despite being the last physical VII.
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Re: VIIC/41 - Schematices drawing
« Reply #167 on: 13 Apr , 2009, 04:42 »
Hi Simon,

I haven't researched the interior colours but grey would be my guess. Anyone else know?

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Re: VIIC/41 - Schematices drawing
« Reply #168 on: 13 Apr , 2009, 05:09 »
I recon it would be painted grey.
The shots i have seen indicate it was grey, but i think white was used also. Just a guess.
Whichever color you go for it is impossible to prove you right, or wrong, but grey will look better on the drawings i think.

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Re: VIIC/41 - Schematices drawing
« Reply #169 on: 15 Apr , 2009, 04:25 »
One search periscope :)

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Re: VIIC/41 - Schematices drawing
« Reply #170 on: 16 Apr , 2009, 01:25 »
Cool! Wsa the smiley face hard to accurately draw? ;)
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Re: VIIC/41 - Schematices drawing
« Reply #171 on: 17 Apr , 2009, 15:39 »
In Anatomoy of the ship ~ Type VII on page 95, Figure E10/3. It say "Late Type Schorchel head".... I thought this type of schnorchel was only used on Type XXI. Does anyone know if it was used on any Type VII's?

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Re: VIIC/41 - Schematices drawing
« Reply #172 on: 21 Apr , 2009, 02:24 »
An update on the Schorchel head. I have check with Anatomy of the ship ~ Type XXI and this head was use on the Type XXI and I am 99.9% sure it was not used on any Type VII, however, does anyone have any other thoughts on this?

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Re: VIIC/41 - Schematices drawing
« Reply #173 on: 21 Apr , 2009, 10:30 »
Hi,

I think you`re right on this,
last weekend I looked into my books,studied pictures of the late type VII-C`s,but found nothing.
I have seen this rubber mat only on type`s IX ,X,and the XXI............for now ::) ::) ::) ::).
The type XXIII I am working as we speek.

This is quote from the book''Uboowaffe,marine-kleinkampfverbande 1939-1945'' page54.
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It is 10 mm mat made of carbonyl steel and pernunbau(kind of rubber),whose surface resembled that of a waffle
and wich was able to absorb some 50% of the radar echo.Beginnig in September 1944,the ''waschmatte''
was used to wrap schnorkels heads,a modification found on some 100 U-boats by the end WWII.A different radar
countermeasure was fitted to schnorkels with a floater ball cutoff valve.A cilindrical shield from prof.J..Jaumann`s team,
called the ''leitwert-sumpf'',was proposed in early 1944.Constructedwith materials characteristic in electric condition,
the shield was covered with ''zelligelit'',a kind of plastic.Some 70mm thick,the shield produced a 65%radar echo reduction
for radar devices operating on a 9cm-long wave (even more satisfactory results were obtained during testing).
In view of such an outstanding performance,orders went out in mid 1944 to provide schnorkels ,as far as possible,oly with the
ball cutoff valve fitted with the ''leitwewrt-sumpfem''.Manufactured by the firm of IG-FARBEN,the first two shields were send
the yard at GW in early September 1944.Experiments were conducted with other materials absorbing radar waves.
Among available records are test of U-992,covered with a layer of wood,and U-680 and U-1209,
whose hulls were coated with glass wool.

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 ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)have a nice day.


my best regards,

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Re: VIIC/41 - Schematices drawing
« Reply #174 on: 21 Apr , 2009, 13:05 »
Thanks Bad Karma for the information :)

This late Type Schorchel head had two open down pipes, and I am 99.9999999% ;D sure that no Type VII Schorchel had two open down pipes, and I am also sure that all Type VII Schorchel were hind at the base and it would be hard to hind the two down pipes. I think I seen a Type IX with this head but it could be one of the test u-boat and I think the Schorchel as fix in position as well.

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Re: VIIC/41 - Schematices drawing
« Reply #175 on: 23 Apr , 2009, 14:06 »
I thought I either heard it somewhere or seen in a books that some Schorchel head were panted in camouflage schemes. Has anyone heard this also or know anything ???

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Re: VIIC/41 - Schematices drawing
« Reply #176 on: 24 Apr , 2009, 18:02 »
Type VIIC, Schorchel head, with and without Tarnmatte ;D


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Re: VIIC/41 - Schematices drawing
« Reply #177 on: 25 Apr , 2009, 20:33 »
very nice
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Re: VIIC/41 - Schematices drawing
« Reply #178 on: 29 Apr , 2009, 23:58 »
Does anyone have any picture or drawings of the Main magnetic compass that is in front of the bridge?

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Re: VIIC/41 - Schematices drawing
« Reply #179 on: 08 May , 2009, 12:38 »
I just noted that the Port propeller runs anti-clockwise and the starboard propeller runs clockwise on the Type XXI is this the same for the Type VII ???

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Re: VIIC/41 - Schematices drawing
« Reply #180 on: 08 May , 2009, 15:24 »
Id say yes. Looking at the shots of the props, you can see the blades are shaped in opposite directions.

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Re: VIIC/41 - Schematices drawing
« Reply #181 on: 09 May , 2009, 01:55 »
Id say yes. Looking at the shots of the props, you can see the blades are shaped in opposite directions.

Good spotting Siara :) Here a picture from U-955.


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« Reply #182 on: 09 May , 2009, 03:21 »
I think the word is counter rotating - i guess it would work against the tourgue of the engines and give less vibrations.

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Re: VIIC/41 - Schematices drawing
« Reply #183 on: 10 May , 2009, 01:05 »
Thought I posted yesterday, but must have been lost at last minute! I'll have to see a moderator! GRRRR!

YES, all (most) two screw boats/ships in navy counter rotated because of torque, as you guys mention. The early WWI biplanes had true rotary engines ("rotary rights"), and because of the huge extra torque, right turns were short and intense.

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Re: VIIC/41 - Schematices drawing
« Reply #184 on: 11 May , 2009, 05:16 »
actually it prevents the boat from steering off a straight line:
given that the pressure is different on top and bottom of the screw, it gives the stern the tendency to steer to the right with a clockwise rotation of the screw.
usefull when you want to bring the stern to the quay........
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Re: VIIC/41 - Schematices drawing
« Reply #185 on: 13 May , 2009, 23:40 »
I am working on the bridge of my VIIC/41, what things are I missing like e.g. voice pipe?, Engine revolution repeator? Compass repeater? What should be on the bridge?

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Re: VIIC/41 - Schematices drawing
« Reply #186 on: 14 May , 2009, 12:58 »
Good Job Simon.
One thing- the top of the attack periscope housing should be on the same level as the CT walls.

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Re: VIIC/41 - Schematices drawing
« Reply #187 on: 14 May , 2009, 15:01 »
Hi Simon,

Yeah, you'll need a compass repeater, engine dial and voicepipe. Have a look at this photo -



It is of U 995 after her Norwegian service. Now there may have been changes made by the Norwegians. But I don't have a photo of the "dashboard" of a wartime VIIC/41. You can see the compass repeater and engine dial are in the usual location, as on VIICs. The viocepipe is in the usual location to the starboard side (but is partially obscured by the periscope base).

Remember that a shelf was fitted to the VIICs and VIIC/41s from mid-war or so. The photos of U 377 show an example of this shelf, which was usually flat. Note there would be a hole in this shelf to allow access for the sky periscope. 

The photo below is of U 993 on the 8th July 1943 -



The boat isn't finished yet. The engine dial is there. There is something where the compass repeater would usually go. The shelf on top hasn't been added yet. This is good for us as it allows us to see all the way forward to the area that would later be hidden under the shelf.

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« Reply #188 on: 14 May , 2009, 15:45 »
good stuff dougie .nice ! :D

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Re: VIIC/41 - Schematices drawing
« Reply #189 on: 14 May , 2009, 18:56 »
Many thanks to eveyone for the information on the bridge. I am going to work on this over the weekend  :)

How did the voice pipe work ??? I can not imagine the voice pipe went through the pressure hull.

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« Reply #190 on: 14 May , 2009, 19:50 »

The photo below is of U 993 on the 8th July 1943 -



The boat isn't finished yet. The engine dial is there. There is something where the compass repeater would usually go. The shelf on top hasn't been added yet. This is good for us as it allows us to see all the way forward to the area that would later be hidden under the shelf.

Is the above dial, the angles of rudder or engine dial? As it looks more like the angles of rudder dial.


                    angles of rudder dial                                               engine dial
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Re: VIIC/41 - Schematices drawing
« Reply #191 on: 15 May , 2009, 10:16 »

The photo below is of U 993 on the 8th July 1943 -



The boat isn't finished yet. The engine dial is there. There is something where the compass repeater would usually go. The shelf on top hasn't been added yet. This is good for us as it allows us to see all the way forward to the area that would later be hidden under the shelf.

Is the picture of the dial above, the angles of rudder or engine dial? As it looks more like the angles of rudder dial.


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« Reply #192 on: 15 May , 2009, 10:35 »
i would say i was the engine dial . looks like it anyway. :-\

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« Reply #193 on: 16 May , 2009, 03:00 »
"Stopp" is the one that make me agree, and from Silent Hunter 3 "Kleine Fahrt" (which, yes, childishly, mafe me laugh - the audio is "Kleye-nen Faaart!"
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Re: VIIC/41 - Schematices drawing
« Reply #194 on: 16 May , 2009, 22:59 »


Added the attack periscope to the Conning tower today. I only had 3 pictures to work from. Any feedback, things I have miss or any pictures of the attack periscope within Conning tower would be great  :)

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Re: VIIC/41 - Schematices drawing
« Reply #195 on: 16 May , 2009, 23:43 »
Good question on the voice pipe, what a terrible hull penetration! Even if you relied on outside pressure keeping a cap shut, scary [insert 3 stooges "nnnnnaaaaaaah" scary noise here]
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Re: VIIC/41 - Schematices drawing
« Reply #196 on: 17 May , 2009, 23:29 »


What is A for ???

Is B wood or metal ???

Thanks, Simon.

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Re: VIIC/41 - Schematices drawing
« Reply #197 on: 18 May , 2009, 03:59 »
B should be wood......
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Re: VIIC/41 - Schematices drawing
« Reply #198 on: 18 May , 2009, 18:51 »
Just want to confirm that TDC was only located in the Conning tower ???

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Re: VIIC/41 - Schematices drawing
« Reply #199 on: 20 May , 2009, 13:25 »
I have always thought that there were two TDC on a U-Boat, one in the Conning tower and one in the Control Room. However, now I believe there was only one in the Conning tower. Can anyone confirm this for me?


Attack periscope & TDC within the Conning tower :)