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SEA => SUBS: Uboats => TYPE VII => Topic started by: falo on 16 Jan , 2014, 11:59
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Just for the records here and those who want to assemble a type seven (full hull) in 1/48 scale:
http://www.u96-bauen.de (http://www.u96-bauen.de)
You have to buy a subscription of the magazine which provides you issue for issue with parts. According to the publisher there will be more than 100 magazines (one per week) to collect before your boat is finished. Interesting to me seems that Amati developed the model kit. Maybe in future time they will sell a complete model of that subscription boat?
At a glance the details (deck, hull, 8,8 cm gun and conning tower) looks good but there are no rivets, the inner sections are a little bit on the sparse side and the figures appear like toy soldiers to me. But at all maybe a good super detailing canvas for high skilled modelers.
If I'am not mistaken you can only purchase a subscription if you live in Austria, Switzerland, Luxembourg or Germany.
Falo
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Very Cool!!
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Not to put anybody off, but
150 parts
1@ €1
1@ €3.99
148@ €6.99
total € 1039.51
Regards
Jon
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Just for the records here and those who want to assemble a type seven (full hull) in 1/48 scale:
http://www.u96-bauen.de (http://www.u96-bauen.de)
You have to buy a subscription of the magazine which provides you issue for issue with parts. According to the publisher there will be more than 100 magazines (one per week) to collect before your boat is finished. Interesting to me seems that Amati developed the model kit. Maybe in future time they will sell a complete model of that subscription boat?
At a glance the details (deck, hull, 8,8 cm gun and conning tower) looks good but there are no rivets, the inner sections are a little bit on the sparse side and the figures appear like toy soldiers to me. But at all maybe a good super detailing canvas for high skilled modelers.
If I'm not mistaken you can only purchase a subscription if you live in Austria, Switzerland, Luxembourg or Germany.
Falo
Very interesting, however at this scale it is a challenge to get the squeezed in details correct. Looking at the photo I presume the model represent the U 96 as delivered from the yard. The netcutters indicate this, as they probably were removed in 1941. However if you look into the engine room you`ll see up front port side they have put in an odd horizontal pump which which is shown on engineroom photos from U 995, most probably being the freshwaterpump for the galley installed by the Norwegians after the war as discussed in my mailbox earlier. Further in 1941 the engineroom up front, port it should be a significant luboil purifier installation, removed on most of the VIIC including U 995 as latter part of 1943. However U 96 most certainly had this plant when commissioned. I guess there are limits what you are able to cramp into a scale 1: 42 model, piping is almost impossible. With a lot of work and further research you might be able to build a "museummodel".
Tore
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Here is another quarter scaler. This one is a RC-optimized version of a typeseven/41. Again a possible canvas for super detailer with high skills. AFAIK Tamiya offers in 1/48 scale the flakvierling and other kits which are waiting for to be exploited. Tin can effect and riveting seems to be essential to give this smooth RC a wheatered and used look.
Once again the boat isn't cheap 748,00 EUR (approx. 1,011.00 USD) but therefor this model works in water ;)
https://shop.graupner.de/webuerp/servlet/AI?ARTN=2059&PIC=4 (https://shop.graupner.de/webuerp/servlet/AI?ARTN=2059&PIC=4)
and with more detailed (zoom-in) photos:
http://www.der-schweighofer.at/artikel/105614/sb_u-boot_typ_vii_premium_line_artr (http://www.der-schweighofer.at/artikel/105614/sb_u-boot_typ_vii_premium_line_artr)
@ tore
As I have learned - not least from this forum - it's a question of modeling skills, time and good research to super detail such kit into museum quality (to put the ever lasting budget money questions/decisions aside). Visiting the U995 in Laboe once, I was confused following all the pipes, valves and so on in the inner sections. It was a stunning and frustrating impression all at once in a modelers point of view. All these details!!! I admire the schematic drawings of snowman doing all this technical details - assisted by your experience with the real thing and advice. But I think if a modeler would even try to equip a built with all that details he is going to far. I think he should work e.g. built more like a draughtsman who sketch (for example) a head of a woman: the illustrator would not draw every single hair to get the impression of a hairstyle. He would abstract and reduce details but the impression of hair would always be pictured.
Regards
falo
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Hi falo.
You are rising an interesting point and I like your interest in trying to follow the pipes during the visit to my old boat. Your remarks put me back some 60 years returning from UK, stuffed with knowledge about the various RN subs. only to try to get the KNM Kaura (U 995) running. Quite a few drawings and manuals were non existent, in fact you find probably more details on paper in this forum than available to me at that time. Knowing the details of the pipingsystems is vital for safe operation of a submarine, it is indeed a matter of life and death, not only to know the normal operation of the systems but being conversant with all the emergency alternatives and able to implement same in a stress situation, that make the difference of the qualities of an operational submarine. I spent weeks following pipelines and making sketches before I felt competent to take the job as chief engineer in spite of almost 6 months of submarine training on beforehand. The pipesystems are the veines of a submarine and the crew has to see to it that your boat don`t get a heartinfarct and/or get a bypass if needed. It is great fun to work with a skilled draughtsman like Simon and to see the amazing results and accuracy in his drawings.There are no better references for a modeller, but I agree with you, it would be too much details for an average modeller to implement, use the drawings as a reference for the details you want to show.
Tore
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Hi Tore,
Thank you very much for your remarks. I like the picture you paint with words: "veins" and "bypass" or "heart attack" and they got me back when I was teenager and my favorite uncle told me nearly the same as you describe above. He was employee at the Howaldtswerke Kiel/Germany and worked in the construction department - if I'am not mistaken after all this time. He was on board of the subs (Bundesmarine) during test drives. And he explained to us (his childs, nieces and nephews) that a submarine is like a living organism. Than he depicts all the noises like "bubble", "gurgle" and "fez" to mention only a few of this "organism tune".
I agree with you: Is beyond debate that Simons work is outstanding and the best resource for any modeler planning to build the typseven. I buyed two inner sections (scale 1/72) from cmk as a gift for a friend and the plan was to provide him also with photos from the real thing. But as mentioned above is was too much especially for that scale. Maybe in future times all the drawings from Simon will be food for a 3-d-printer and that will be the ultimate typeseven model in 1/48 or 1/72? Who knows? Just dreaming.
Regards
Falo
P.S.: Do you have plans visiting your old flame in Laboe?
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Hi Falo.
I have no immediate plans to visit my old lady at Laboe. But during the period of 1970 -1980 I saw her regularly as I was in charge of the engines on M/S Kronprins Harald and M/S Prinsesse Ragnhild on the ferry connection Oslo- Kiel saluting her from the bridge everytime I was passing Laboe. I worked with Kieler Howaldtswerke as well, as these two vessels were built there.
Tore
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Hi Tore,
these two ferries belong in former days to Kiels silhouette (http://www.dict.cc/englisch-deutsch/silhouette.html) like the "Kieler Sprotten" (a kind of regional fish delicacy) as you will well known.
Regards
falo
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Hi falo!
Good to hear. As a curiousity I can mention the chief electrician onboard the first Kronpins Harald was my chief electrician on KNM Kaura ex U 995 for several years.
Tore
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Hi Tore,
thanks for the information, so I was in very good hands.
falo
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Back to to the main issue of this thread. Here is a guy in a german forum who is building this "Subscription-Sub". I suppose the pictures explain the progress of the assembly very well. So we have to wait for years till the typeseven will be ready.
http://www.modellboard.net/index.php?PHPSESSID=debqn8fnjjbjj0e41fflt6k1j1&topic=47837.225 (http://www.modellboard.net/index.php?PHPSESSID=debqn8fnjjbjj0e41fflt6k1j1&topic=47837.225)
Regards
Falo
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Hehehe, it's gonna take forever, but sensibly less than my U-48 build though! ;D
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On MSB there is a model ship builder doing the same type of idea on a monthly. His build is moving a long at a nice pace. There was also one of these ideas for a different ship up for sale on MSW at about 40% of what the husband paid for it, his wife was selling it, interesting.
Need to remember (as pointed out in above post) the total cost of the project.
Later Tim
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Here's another (pricey) one:
www.arkmodel.com/product_info.php?cPath=21&products_id=421&language=en (http://www.arkmodel.com/product_info.php?cPath=21&products_id=421&language=en)
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SG
Thanks for that link. Very nice in 1/48. What do you folks like about the size of the rivets??
Later Tim
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Hi 42rocker,
IMO the rivets and the welds looks a little bit overdone. But I think sanding down would be a easy task.
If you look at this thread
http://models.rokket.biz/index.php?topic=1150.0 (http://models.rokket.biz/index.php?topic=1150.0)
you will see that the rivets and welds don't look that prominent.
Regards
Falo
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Falo.
Rivets.
I fully agree, many modelbuilders are overdoing the rivets which are becoming even more overdone by weathering. I guess there is a confusion originating from a riveted pressure hull , like the engine room pressurehull hatch not normally visible. The pressurehull is of course welded and the visible rivets are those on the superstructure which was made of galvanized sheetplates and I guess the zinc made some difficulties for the 1940 years welding technology, thus the plates were riveted. As the plates were thin, the rivets looked more like an aircraft riveting than a that of a boiler.
Tore
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Hello
I have a question i am building the Hachette Sub .
I want the model the Flooding vents near the kiel have anyone of you some pics of this Vents ?
i am searching the net since days but no pics to be found .
Pics in open Position will be realy good
Thanks every help will be great
wbr David
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Hi David,
please take a look at my U-995 detail-thread:
http://models.rokket.biz/index.php?topic=1150.0 (http://models.rokket.biz/index.php?topic=1150.0)
Regards
falo
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Thanks falo for the link
But the Major Problem i Need them visibel in open Position .
Thanks
wbr David
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David -> http://scaleworld.forenworld.net/viewtopic.php?f=89&t=3051 (http://scaleworld.forenworld.net/viewtopic.php?f=89&t=3051)
Regards
falo
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awesome touch very well done!
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Hi Gents,
back to to the main theme of this thread the "Subscription"-Sub. Please watch this step by step assembling of the parts, in order of the release of the single "Sub"-Sub-issues:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLAAkpUdb41sElC_qVZkIXyvnKgbNHdJJy (https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLAAkpUdb41sElC_qVZkIXyvnKgbNHdJJy)
Regards
falo
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Ive taken out the subscription to this but haven't as yet started to build the boat. Interesting to see the guy in the videos just to see what she will look like :) One day I will get the guts up to get started ::)
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I've started her and am up to issue 12. Starting to look pretty good. I have got the ribs of the boat at least looking like a submarine. Ok, its a long winded, maybe expensive way to build a boat, but its a really impressive sight. She is huge! Plus the magazine builds up into an interesting binder full of information, some of which is obviously well known, but happily , some parts are new to me.
I dont notice the subscription coming off each month, so can write this off as affordable. ::)
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I like your logic about not noticing!
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Its affordable each month and I can " write it off" so to speak, so in that way I can tell myself its affordable ;)
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Its been a long time and Ive had so many other things to worry about, but I finally got back to building on this mammoth task. I must say that had I known at the start, that most of the hull would be made up of hundreds of "planks", I would not have started this boat. One thing that annoyed me was, the plastic hull parts are about 3mm thick and the planks are 1.5 thick. This was quite confusing as nothing seemed to fit cleanly. It was only when I reached issue 44 that the instructions said that another layer of planks had to be added. By this time I had, through sanding and filling, made the hull more or less uniform. Some of the cutting of the wooden planks is very intricate and is not for a novice builder. I think this should have been made clearer at the start of the subscription, as its really a master model makers job to make this boat presentable. The kit is on one hand, incredibly detailed with p.e. parts and plastic moulded parts and on the other hand, a hull made with wood with no detailing whatsoever. I will continue, but would warn others that this kit is not as easy to build as touted!