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SEA => SUBS: Uboats => ALL other U-boats => Topic started by: Mr.Mox on 09 Jan , 2009, 04:50

Title: Alanger type XXIII in 1:72 and Eduard Etch - waterline conversion
Post by: Mr.Mox on 09 Jan , 2009, 04:50

Hi Guys!

First a little introduction, My real name is Jan Klarb

Title: Re: Alanger type XXIII in 1:72 and Eduard Etch - waterline conversion
Post by: Siara on 09 Jan , 2009, 14:19

Welcome to AMP Jan! ;D

Nice boat you got there. I like the detail. Unfortunately i can not help you with this build, as i have faint knowledge of late subs.
But id like to see the typ II boat you finished. Any chance of posting some pictures?

Title: Re: Alanger type XXIII in 1:72 and Eduard Etch - waterline conversion
Post by: bracco_n on 09 Jan , 2009, 15:55

I definetly want to see your type II. You'r boat is really nice, well done!

Title: Re: Alanger type XXIII in 1:72 and Eduard Etch - waterline conversion
Post by: Mr.Mox on 09 Jan , 2009, 17:28

Thanks mates, I have posted a picture in the II A forum.

Heres the current state of my XXIII - got the basic paintjob done, now for some effects and touchups. Needs a crew too... and a base, and some water and.... ;D

 (http://gallery.kitmaker.net/data/23510/Probefahrt_44_015.jpg)

 (http://gallery.kitmaker.net/data/23510/Probefahrt_44_016.jpg)

 (http://gallery.kitmaker.net/data/23510/Probefahrt_44_017.jpg)

Cheers/Jan

Title: Re: Alanger type XXIII in 1:72 and Eduard Etch - waterline conversion
Post by: Rokket on 10 Jan , 2009, 04:15

Welcome Jan!

I have taken breaks too, but for more beer than girls...damn!

Your build looks very nice, quality and detail.

Hopefully Dougie will see this thread, he will help.

Title: Re: Alanger type XXIII in 1:72 and Eduard Etch - waterline conversion
Post by: dougie47 on 10 Jan , 2009, 08:18

Hi Jan,

I'm not knowledgeable on XXIIIs so I can't help too much. But in the photos I've seen I think you are right about the wooden section. It is there on some photos and not there on others. It is probably exactly as you say, that the wood was removed on delivery. Or the wood could have been removed during patrols and added when in port? 

I hope you add the wood as it will make it more interesting.

Here are photos of a XXIII in 35th scale -

http://www.accurate-armour.com/ShowProduct.cfm?manufacturer=0&category=13&subcategory=27&product=452

Nice build once again.

Cheers,

Dougie

Title: Re: Alanger type XXIII in 1:72 and Eduard Etch - waterline conversion
Post by: Mr.Mox on 11 Jan , 2009, 01:07

Thanks all,

I have done a wooden deck, i

Title: Re: Alanger type XXIII in 1:72 and Eduard Etch - waterline conversion
Post by: Rokket on 11 Jan , 2009, 01:17

The 1:35 section would be a very nice display piece.

Good info/link Dougie, nice pix.

Title: Re: Alanger type XXIII in 1:72 and Eduard Etch - waterline conversion
Post by: rabapla on 12 Jan , 2009, 01:57

welcome jan,

nice to have You here too.

stumbled over your excellent work already a few times.

especially like Your interior work!!!!!!!!!

Title: Re: Alanger type XXIII in 1:72 and Eduard Etch - waterline conversion
Post by: Mr.Mox on 12 Jan , 2009, 09:22

Thanks Rababla,

Deck done, Wash and wheatering done

 (http://gallery.kitmaker.net/data/23510/Probefahrt_44_018.jpg)

 (http://gallery.kitmaker.net/data/23510/Probefahrt_44_019.jpg)

 (http://gallery.kitmaker.net/data/23510/Probefahrt_44_020.jpg)

 (http://gallery.kitmaker.net/data/23510/Probefahrt_44_021.jpg)

And the layout on the base:

 (http://gallery.kitmaker.net/data/23510/Probefahrt_44_022.jpg)

Title: Re: Alanger type XXIII in 1:72 and Eduard Etch - waterline conversion
Post by: bracco_n on 12 Jan , 2009, 11:38

WONDERFUL!

Title: Re: Alanger type XXIII in 1:72 and Eduard Etch - waterline conversion
Post by: Siara on 12 Jan , 2009, 12:59

I like it too! Coul you share some more details about painting, and especially about weathering techniques?

Title: Re: Alanger type XXIII in 1:72 and Eduard Etch - waterline conversion
Post by: Mr.Mox on 12 Jan , 2009, 13:56

Thanks!

Well, painting begins with a primer - especially when using photoetch a doing a lot of conversions. After that I preshade all panellines, weld seams and shadows in general. I use a dark gray as I find black too harsh.

The the base coat - a little more light than i want it - as the work afterwards tends to darken it. Then I postshade with a even lighter grad in the middel of the panels. At this stage i have a model that basically have 3 diffent colors gradually mixed.

This is how it looks like at this stage (naturally the darker part of hull should be painted allso)
(http://gallery.kitmaker.net/data/22810/Special_Navy_Type_II_A_035.jpg)

Then i coat it with future to prepare it for working with oils.

What I want now is to give these big areas a bit more expression, thay are even after this a bit dull.

I do that with adding dots of different oilcolors and wiping it off with a damp brush - keep on wiping untill you get the desired result:

(http://gallery.kitmaker.net/data/22810/Special_Navy_Type_II_A_049.jpg)

 (http://gallery.kitmaker.net/data/22810/Special_Navy_Type_II_A_050.jpg)

 (http://gallery.kitmaker.net/data/22810/Special_Navy_Type_II_A_051.jpg)

 (http://gallery.kitmaker.net/data/22810/Special_Navy_Type_II_A_052.jpg)

 (http://gallery.kitmaker.net/data/22810/Special_Navy_Type_II_A_053.jpg)

Now its time for a more detailed wash in all recesses and after a dullcoat i drybrush it with oils again.

Even if its in Japanese this is a good inspiration:

part one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWqfbxHQCjc&feature=channel_page (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWqfbxHQCjc&feature=channel_page)

and two: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jA9Gv58HYZ0&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jA9Gv58HYZ0&feature=related)

Hope it helped.

Cheers/Jan

Title: Re: Alanger type XXIII in 1:72 and Eduard Etch - waterline conversion
Post by: Siara on 12 Jan , 2009, 16:35

I gathered you are using enamels, and thats why you seal it with future- amm i right?
Im going to paint it with acrylics.

That japanese guy is painting in super speed- shame i cant understand the word he is saying. ;D

Title: Re: Alanger type XXIII in 1:72 and Eduard Etch - waterline conversion
Post by: Mr.Mox on 13 Jan , 2009, 00:23

Hi, no I

Title: Re: Alanger type XXIII in 1:72 and Eduard Etch - waterline conversion
Post by: rabapla on 13 Jan , 2009, 00:59

thank you very much for your tutorial in "filtering"!

helps a lot!!

did you correct the dimensional errors of the alanger boat in any way?

Title: Re: Alanger type XXIII in 1:72 and Eduard Etch - waterline conversion
Post by: Siara on 13 Jan , 2009, 00:59

The crew is looking sweet!

Title: Re: Alanger type XXIII in 1:72 and Eduard Etch - waterline conversion
Post by: rabapla on 13 Jan , 2009, 01:01

hey siara, don't you have to work right now? ;D

Title: Re: Alanger type XXIII in 1:72 and Eduard Etch - waterline conversion
Post by: Mr.Mox on 13 Jan , 2009, 01:09

Quote from: rabapla on 13 Jan , 2009, 00:59

thank you very much for your tutorial in "filtering"!

helps a lot!!

did you correct the dimensional errors of the alanger boat in any way?

You are welcome - tjeck out MIG

Title: Re: Alanger type XXIII in 1:72 and Eduard Etch - waterline conversion
Post by: Siara on 13 Jan , 2009, 01:16

Quote from: rabapla on 13 Jan , 2009, 01:01

hey siara, don't you have to work right now? ;D

I just heard the horn from the shipyard- im off to the docks...   ;D

Title: Re: Alanger type XXIII in 1:72 and Eduard Etch - waterline conversion
Post by: Greif on 14 Jan , 2009, 00:28

Hi Jan, beautiful build you have going!  It is going to be just a good as your Type II.

What shade(s) of green did you use for the base? 

Title: Re: Alanger type XXIII in 1:72 and Eduard Etch - waterline conversion
Post by: Mr.Mox on 14 Jan , 2009, 00:41

Thanks Greif, just some random vallejo air i had  - mostly armour colours sprayed on in stripes - not sure how much will be visible with the water on - I

Title: Re: Alanger type XXIII in 1:72 and Eduard Etch - waterline conversion
Post by: Greif on 14 Jan , 2009, 00:54

Hi Jan, thank you for the reply and please call me Ernest!

My next build will be a Type IIA, U-3 in a pre-war dockside diorama.  After studying alot of photos I plan to give the water a greenish hue and your green looks perfect.

Ernest

Title: Re: Alanger type XXIII in 1:72 and Eduard Etch - waterline conversion
Post by: dougie47 on 14 Jan , 2009, 15:01

Hi guys,

A number of posts in this thread concerned dioramas. As requested, the topic has been split. The diorama posts have been moved to a topic of its own (dioramas and water-making) in the General Model Discussion section.

Cheers,

Dougie
Moderator

Title: Re: Alanger type XXIII in 1:72 and Eduard Etch - waterline conversion
Post by: Mr.Mox on 15 Jan , 2009, 14:17

Thanks Dougie!

Now heres where you just have to keep believing and hope the best ... and wait for it to dry up properly.

(http://gallery.kitmaker.net/data/23510/Probefahrt_44_025.jpg)

(http://gallery.kitmaker.net/data/23510/Probefahrt_44_026.jpg)

Cheers/Jan

Title: Re: Alanger type XXIII in 1:72 and Eduard Etch - waterline conversion
Post by: Siara on 15 Jan , 2009, 14:59

Im really curious where this one is going. Do you mind bringing us step by step of what you are using please?
Like the wave wake- looks exactly as it should be. ;)

Title: Re: Alanger type XXIII in 1:72 and Eduard Etch - waterline conversion
Post by: Mr.Mox on 16 Jan , 2009, 02:23

Quote from: Siara on 15 Jan , 2009, 14:59

Im really curious where this one is going. Do you mind bringing us step by step of what you are using please?
Like the wave wake- looks exactly as it should be. ;)

Its propably not the best method, but its relatively simple, cheep and non toxic. I use a material called Acryllic Gel Medium which you can buy in any craft or art store - it allso works as glue, but is primely intended to build up mass in acryllicpainting. It comes in different textures, this is the finest without anything added.

First i make the base, in this case its a piece of MDF - medium density fiberboard - its nice and heawy and dont warp with moisture - still its a good thing sealing it. I paint the base, in this case diffent shades of green to simulate the wavepattern I want to achive with the gel - finish with a gloss laquer or future, it helps the gel flow and fill any roughness in the base.

Then i begin building up the water, I have added several layers of Acryllic Gel Medium which has been tinted in variying degress with acryllic paints - different shades of green. - I have added a thicker layer where the waves is supposed to be, but as the Gel is rather fluid, it takes several times to build it up.

Drying time is abuot 1

Title: Re: Alanger type XXIII in 1:72 and Eduard Etch - waterline conversion
Post by: Siara on 16 Jan , 2009, 14:14

Thanks Jan!  ;)
Carry on- ill follow with great interest.

Title: Re: Alanger type XXIII in 1:72 and Eduard Etch - waterline conversion
Post by: Rokket on 16 Jan , 2009, 22:52

Nice work, and love the pilings

Title: Re: Alanger type XXIII in 1:72 and Eduard Etch - waterline conversion
Post by: Mr.Mox on 18 Jan , 2009, 08:44

Thanks mates, Siara - I have some photos on the crew that I will post later in a seperate tread.

Heres the boat - I guess I am done, Im quite happy with the result, so I think I will leave it at this:

(http://gallery.kitmaker.net/data/23510/Probefahrt_44_031.jpg)

 (http://gallery.kitmaker.net/data/23510/Probefahrt_44_032.jpg)

 (http://gallery.kitmaker.net/data/23510/Probefahrt_44_033.jpg)

 (http://gallery.kitmaker.net/data/23510/Probefahrt_44_034.jpg)

 (http://gallery.kitmaker.net/data/23510/Probefahrt_44_035.jpg)
 

Title: Re: Alanger type XXIII in 1:72 and Eduard Etch - waterline conversion
Post by: Siara on 18 Jan , 2009, 10:06

One word- fantastic!

Title: Re: Alanger type XXIII in 1:72 and Eduard Etch - waterline conversion
Post by: Greif on 19 Jan , 2009, 01:03

Jan, its perfect!  I really like how your water turned out, very realistic.  I am going to practice the same technique you used before my Type II build.  Any advice on what tools I should use to manipulate the acrylic gel?

Again, simply beautiful!

Ernest

Title: Re: Alanger type XXIII in 1:72 and Eduard Etch - waterline conversion
Post by: rabapla on 19 Jan , 2009, 03:18

very impressiv build of the not-so-nice alanger boat!

looks definetly like a type XXIII

Title: Re: Alanger type XXIII in 1:72 and Eduard Etch - waterline conversion
Post by: conus00 on 19 Jan , 2009, 15:07

Jan,
very impressive!

Title: Re: Alanger type XXIII in 1:72 and Eduard Etch - waterline conversion
Post by: Mr.Mox on 20 Jan , 2009, 06:22

Thanks guys - much too kind. Well its done, I have put it in the cabinet, not to see the light of day again  ;D

Don

Title: Re: Alanger type XXIII in 1:72 and Eduard Etch - waterline conversion
Post by: Siara on 20 Jan , 2009, 10:16

Jan- i have prooposition for you. How about the dio of partly sunken boats- perhaps after air strike, with visible destruction to the harbour, and lots of weathered rust, and so on.
I may take on something like that in the future to polish the rust technique.
What do you think?

Title: Re: Alanger type XXIII in 1:72 and Eduard Etch - waterline conversion
Post by: Mr.Mox on 20 Jan , 2009, 14:39

Well, I have been tempted by the Hobby Boss 1:700 boats to do a scene with harbour and U-Boot pen, like in Brest  ;D

Doing something like that in 1:72 would be huge ... and totally impossible to store anywhere around here.

Cheers/Jan

Title: Re: Alanger type XXIII in 1:72 and Eduard Etch - waterline conversion
Post by: rabapla on 20 Jan , 2009, 23:51

1/144 then?

Title: Re: Alanger type XXIII in 1:72 and Eduard Etch - waterline conversion
Post by: Mr.Mox on 21 Jan , 2009, 02:29

Quote from: rabapla on 20 Jan , 2009, 23:51

1/144 then?

Still too big, 1:350 maybe.

Title: Re: Alanger type XXIII in 1:72 and Eduard Etch - waterline conversion
Post by: Mr.Mox on 20 Mar , 2009, 03:49

Theres a bunch of additional photoes here: http://modelshipwrights.kitmaker.net/modules.php?op=modload&name=Sections&file=index&req=viewarticle&artid=2556 (http://modelshipwrights.kitmaker.net/modules.php?op=modload&name=Sections&file=index&req=viewarticle&artid=2556)

It was quite challaging doing the water, and one of the lessons is, that the frame gives sinkmarks in the gel where it meets the frame - I