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SEA => SUBS: Uboats => TYPE IX => Topic started by: youboat on 31 Dec , 2014, 19:53
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Revell 05133 Deutsches U-Boot Typ IX C/40 1/72 11/2015 Neue Variante
New Revell U Boat kit - Type 1X C/40. November 2015.
Don't know what the C/40 designate means in terms of kit differences between the Type 1XC & the Type 1XC/40 but it must mean good news for someone!
Happy New Year in any case guys.
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Hi,
this is the IXC with "Schnelltauchback". It's IMO another kit constructed by the company Tehnoart. They also supplied Revell with the data or the molds for the IXC 40. Here is a link:
http://www.tehnoart.eu/u-boot-ix-c40-u-525--.html (http://www.tehnoart.eu/u-boot-ix-c40-u-525--.html)
The difference between the two IXC boats is the narrowed deck of the bow. "Schnelltauchback" was a modification enabling the type IXC to dive faster. AFAIK 10 to 15 seconds faster then without "Schnelltauchback".
Revell new kits 2015
http://www.plastik-modellbau.org/blog/revell-neuheiten-2015/2015/ (http://www.plastik-modellbau.org/blog/revell-neuheiten-2015/2015/)
Regards
falo
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:o OH BOY!!!! Here comes my U-805! That is the best news I have for 2015.
My Father was a Trop. Tech on one of these. He said it was faster than a Type IXC and could dive farther. The cut out bow really didn't solve the diving problems with the Type IX however. They still floundered getting down. Great news however. BROVO Revell!
Regards,
Dan
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Hi all,
Happy New Year
Don't rush to think that Revell will build a IXC/40 with a cut out bow as many IXC/40 had normal bows and several IXCs had cut out bows, see Vom Original zum Modell page 33, if they are using the U 534 for reference then they will not be producing a cut out bow. Again the same with a schnorkel U 534 had one (actually 2 different types), other none. My guess is the same hull as the U 505 model with later deck, either a deck gun and turm 0 or a schnorkel, turm IV and a 2cm vierling.
Regards
Jon
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Hi folks,
Happy New Year to you all.
Dan, I guess you've been waiting for a long time for a U 805 model and here it is. It looks very like the Tehnoart model so looks like you will not have to do much to the kit to make it U 805. I'm delighted for you (I'll be doing U 805 too).
I am almost certain that Jon is correct that the new kit will be using the U 505 kit with a few alterations (cut out deck, planked rather than slotted deck, schnorchel).
They have used the designation IXC/1940 in their catalogue and this is going to lead to confusion over the IXC/40 designation and the cut out foredeck. I discussed this in the U 505 article (paragraphs below copied from article) –
On pages 33 and 34 of Vom Original zum Modell: Uboottyp IXC by Fritz Köhl and Axel Niestle, the authors list the IXCs and IXC/40s which received the cut out foredeck and the dates when the alteration was completed. Note that this feature was not universal by the end of the war – U 532, U 534 and U 889 are some examples of IXs which did not receive this modification. Therefore, U 505 may or may not have had the cut out foredeck if the boat had remained in active service until the end of the war.
Some enthusiasts believe in two fallacies – firstly, that the cut out foredeck was an exclusive feature of the IXC/40; and secondly, that this feature was added to all IXC/40s. Although quite understandable, both these assumptions are erroneous. Many Type IXC/40s were built before the introduction of this cut out foredeck and were therefore launched with the normal deck. It is also true that the cut out foredeck was added to IXs regardless of variant or sub-variant.
It is possible Revell thought that all IXC/40s had the cut out foredeck. Or they may have used the IXC/40 designation simply to differentiate it from their U 505 kit.
Either way, I tend to agree with Jon that we might have an IXC with cut out foredeck rather than an IXC/40.
Cheers,
Dougie
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<sitting back, eating popcorn>
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I love the idea of having this boat with the "pinched" foredeck section... very unique looking! And that's the type of large-scale U-boat they have at my Canadian War Museum. That and the double 37mm cannon on the aft deck! Looking forward to some official news on that from Revell of Germany. However, I don't think I'll be getting any PE deck for that... for several reasons. ;)
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??? HI ALL!
Happy New Year as well!
I believe most of the differences in the Type IXC and IXC/40 were internal. Were there any IX/C with the cut Fore Deck? I have never seen a pic of one.
A lot of possible changes with the Conning Tower arrangement. More options for different Booten! ;D Looking forward to this one! Too bad they didn't think about keeping one of these around after the war. I am glad my Father is still here to help with some details of U-805.
Best Regards to all!
Dan
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Hi Dan,
There were at least two IXCs with the cut out foredeck, U 516 and U 518 (I thought there were more before looking them up today). There would have been more had more IXCs lasted till the end of the war.
There were at least 25 IXC/40s with the cut out foredeck.
So perhaps Revell are right to designate their kit as a IXC/40 since a very high percentage with the cut out foredeck were the IXC/40s.
Please pass on my warmest regards to your father and wish him good health for 2015.
Cheers,
Dougie
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;)Hi Dougie!
I will tell him ! The possibilities with this new model will be welcomed! I hope they aftermarket suppliers take up on this as well!
Regards,
Dan
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that is awesome...long wait until November :(
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;D We can all start dreaming and planning!
Regards.
Dan
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Or is the proper word "scheming" ? LOL
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;) You Canadians are all alike!!!! LOL!
Regards,
Dan
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Hi,
here are some picx from Revells IXC 40 (1/72 scale). Taken during the Toy Fairy Nuremberg 2015 from a member of IPMS Germany.
Please start with picture 041 (link below) and click "Nächstes Bild":
http://www.ipmsdeutschland.de/Ausstellungen/Nuernberg2015/Bilder_AT/Revell_041.htm (http://www.ipmsdeutschland.de/Ausstellungen/Nuernberg2015/Bilder_AT/Revell_041.htm)
"044" is the last picture.
Regards
Falo
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:o Thanks for the posts! When will it be available in Germany? I am looking forward to it's release already!!!! :P
Dan
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Hi Dan
Revell say November, which was the same as the U 505 which was actually released in mid December.
Regards
Jon
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:( Thank You! You are correct with that! It would be nice if it were a little earlier. But I understand they want to boost their Christmas sales!! ;)
Dan
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Hi all, and new to the forum. I know this is an old topic, but I don't think my question needs a new thread. If Revell did indeed acquire the molds from Technoart for the IXC/40, I wonder why they changed them? The photos of the Revell version do not show the life raft cannisters on the foredeck. I hope they will be an optional part, so that late war IXC/40s can be built..
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Hi Capn Tucker,
first of all welcome aboard!
I'am sure that the shown IXC/40 u boat is a test shot or a preliminary version of the final model. I would be amazed at if Revell would exclude the canisters.
Regards
falo
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Yes, hopefully that is the case. Seems strange though. If all they are doing is using Technoart's molds, the cannisters should be there. Anyway, I hope you are right; I don't want to have to look everywhere for aftermarket ones, or worse, rob the part off one of my VIIC/41 kits..
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Hi,
the IXC/40 kit (1/72) is listed on Revells website with product photos and box art:
http://www.revell.de/produkte/modellbau/schiffe/u-boote/id/05133.html (http://www.revell.de/produkte/modellbau/schiffe/u-boote/id/05133.html)
Announced release date is September 2015.
Regards
falo
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Update: IXC/40 on sale now here in Germany:
http://www.ebay.de/itm/LOT-31752-Revell-05133-Dt-U-Boot-Type-IX-C-40-U-190-1-72-Bausatz-NEU-in-OVP/181887413819?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D33658%26meid%3D2d5548eb4fe64fcabac40e7bf7f05b8a%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D301754486445 (http://www.ebay.de/itm/LOT-31752-Revell-05133-Dt-U-Boot-Type-IX-C-40-U-190-1-72-Bausatz-NEU-in-OVP/181887413819?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D33658%26meid%3D2d5548eb4fe64fcabac40e7bf7f05b8a%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D301754486445)
Regards
falo
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Also available here in the states at Freetime Hobbies..
(Check out their website)
Bill
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Hi all,
Just a small point, whilst it is called the U 190 in brackets, it is not, the U 190 had an Arkansia magnetic compass detector, (see Dougie's recent article on the type VIIc/VIIc/41 differences for explanation).
Regards
Jon
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Hi Jon,
Here's my list for the magnetic compass housing on IXs -
The IXCs and IXC/40s which did have the Askania at the end of the war included - 516, 530, 534, 544, 805, 843, 858, 868, 870, 889, 1231, 1236, 1237. (also on IXDs 848, 861, 874, 875).
The IXCs which retained the standard magnetic compass housing at the end of the war (and were therefore never fitted with the Askania) - 190, 532 (and possibly also U 510).
I believe Revell chose U 190 because it had the standard compass fairing just like on their new kit. As you can see from the list above it would have been much better if they had added an Askania because we would have been able to choose from a range of boats. Note that although U 510 and U 532 had the standard housing they did not have the cut out foredeck.
Revell's new IXC/40 kit has a planked deck, schnorchel, standard magnetic compass housing, cut out foredeck and twin 37mm on lower platform. The only boat I know of with this configuration is U 190. Can anybody identify any other boats with this configuration? If not then Revell's new kit would only be suitable, without modification, for U 190.
Cheers,
Dougie
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You are right Dougie: standard magnetic compass housing (and coal scuttles on both sides of the tower) until the end of the war also for U 510 (see picture in the thread "question about U-510")
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Hi All,
Oops, sorry.
The picture I was using as a reference was marked as U 510, but appears to be U 858, that will teach me to rush around.
Incidentally the U 510 definitely had the standard compass housing.
Regards
Jon
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Hi All,
First look of U 190:
The instruction set is now available here (http://www.revell.de/fileadmin/import/images/bau/05133_%23BAU_GERMANSUBMARINETYPEIXC40.PDF).
The kit comes in the same light grey polystyrene as most of the previous Revell ships.
Not surprisingly there are a lot of common sprue sets with the U 505.
For those without the U 505 instructions they can be downloaded from here (http://www.revell.de/fileadmin/import/images/bau/05114_%23BAU_GERMAN_SUBMARINE_TYPE_IX.PDF).
For those with the U 505 model sprue sets A, B, Cx2, Dx2, F and H are the same. G is not supplied (being the forward hull former). E has been replaced with I.
All the new parts have new part numbers.
The painting instruction include 2 schemes, both from 1945, one whilst in service, the other after surrender with RN flag.
Interestingly there are still some parts that are on the spues C and D which are not used on either boat (IX D2 or even a type IX with a turm 0 please)
As far as accessories, no doubt Edward will bring out a revised version of the U 505 sets to cope with the cutout bow and the twin M42 3.7cm although a lot of the existing sets will fit. The 10.5cm gun cannot be fitted to the U 190 or any boat with the cutout bow.
AMP waterline Decals are applicable
The CMK figures are fine, the interior sets will fit with no further work than normal, with possibly the front torpedo room which may need a bit more triming off the top edge.
Tehnoart bras fitting will fit, but set 2 only has 1 3.7cm barrel.
SRS turm decks will fit.
G-Factor brass propellers are correct, U 190 was laid down in October '41.
Schatton periscopes are fine and as with tehnoart the barrel set needs a second 3.7cm barrel.
The Hecker & Goros figures will work, the figure with the pith helmet in set 255 is possible, the boat may have been carrying pith helmets on patrol 4 to equatorial Africa.
Regards
Jon
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Hi Jon,
Thanks for the heads up about the new kit. I think some folks will be wanting to build other boats (e.g. U 805) with the single 37mm. Looking at the instructions, perhaps one could make a single 37mm from the twin 37mm in the new kit? It would require some surgery to the shield but perhaps this can be done?
Cheers,
Dougie
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Hi Jon,
Thanks for the heads up about the new kit. I think some folks will be wanting to build other boats (e.g. U 805) with the single 37mm. Looking at the instructions, perhaps one could make a single 37mm from the twin 37mm in the new kit? It would require some surgery to the shield but perhaps this can be done?
Cheers,
Dougie
Now we need an IX-D :P ;D
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Hi Dougie et al
Yes a single could be built from the twin shield or you could order the U 505 shield and mount from Revell.
Regards
Jon
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Hi Jon,
Here's my list for the magnetic compass housing on IXs -
The IXCs and IXC/40s which did have the Askania at the end of the war included - 516, 530, 534, 544, 805, 843, 858, 868, 870, 889, 1231, 1236, 1237. (also on IXDs 848, 861, 874, 875).
The IXCs which retained the standard magnetic compass housing at the end of the war (and were therefore never fitted with the Askania) - 190, 532 (and possibly also U 510).
I believe Revell chose U 190 because it had the standard compass fairing just like on their new kit. As you can see from the list above it would have been much better if they had added an Askania because we would have been able to choose from a range of boats. Note that although U 510 and U 532 had the standard housing they did not have the cut out foredeck.
Revell's new IXC/40 kit has a planked deck, schnorchel, standard magnetic compass housing, cut out foredeck and twin 37mm on lower platform. The only boat I know of with this configuration is U 190. Can anybody identify any other boats with this configuration? If not then Revell's new kit would only be suitable, without modification, for U 190.
Cheers,
Dougie
Another boat that can be built is the U 1232. A photo of the boat that comes with Peddinghaus decal sheet EP 2836 shows the old style compass housing, planked decking, cut down foredeck, and a schnorchel. The photo does not show the 37mm installation, nor does the only other known photo of the boat (a conning tower closeup).
The closeup photo does show shields on the twin 20mm cannons. Since no photos exist of the 37mm, you could build either a twin or single and get away with it. Probably err on the side of caution and go with a single mount. The boat carried no insignias other than the word "Halifax" crudely painted on the tower after completion of the successful 1st patrol.
Since the boat was rammed by a destroyer while it was at periscope depth, you would also have to model some of the battle damage, like the torn off upper spray deflector, and random holes along the upper edge of the tower. Or, you could model the boat as it was when leaving for patrol with no damage (but no insignia).
I had already decided to build the U 1232, and the photo showing it with an old style compass housing clinches the deal. Only other thing I need are the 20mm shields. Does anyone have a link to a source for these?
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Woot woot! :D
There is a 6' version of this boat in our Canadian War Museum. I wonder if they'd put a smaller one on display... hmmmmm.......
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Well, I have now received my two copies of the U 190 kit, and have to say that I am a little disappointed. The overall quality is good, just as in the U 505 kit. However, for a kit that is supposed to be made from the Tehnoart U 525 molds, they left out a lot of parts.
I get that they wanted to do the U 190 (for whatever unknown reasons), but it would have been nice if they had left in the U 525 parts, like the life raft canisters, 20mm gun shields, and the Askania compass housing.
Had they done this, and also included optional conning tower and foredeck parts to make boats that had those equipment items, this kit would be a world beater.
But, that's Revell for you. I tried contacting Tehnoart to see if I could purchase some of the parts, and got a response from them asking how many I wanted. But then nothing since. I guess I could rob the life raft canisters from one of my VIIC/41 kits, and liberate the 20mm gun shields from my Schnellboot kits. But that would make for some very expensive optional parts.
Maybe someone will make aftermarket parts, but that could be a long wait. Oh well, guess I'll have to wait and see.. :-\
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I think Revell missing life raft canister on the right side of the conning tower.
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Considering that AMP is *THE* place to get great information on II, VIIC, and IXC boats... I refer to "The Bibles" created by Dougie and Wink... is there an IXC/40 document in the works?
I would like to build U-190 because of its Canadian connection, but would like to get some solid info in case I need to make any mods to the kit.
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Hi Glenn,
No plans for a document for U 190 as I am researching plane crash article at the moment. But I think this thread would serve to help folks on any mods required.
I don't have the kit yet as I am rather hoping Santa will be kind enough to drop one down my chimney. So you will have to forgive me if I make errors as I'm basing this on the instruction pdf online. Vesikko, I think you are right there is the canister missing on the starboard side. There is something else missing I think. On U 190, on the rear of the lower wintergarten, just to the port side, there is the end cap for a 37mm spare barrel container. Only the cap juts out so it is not that easy to see. I think this is missing from the Revell kit?
Something looks a bit strange in the photos of U 190 in Canada. The images I have aren't great quality but it looks like on the upper platform there is a single 20mm barrel on the port side and a single 20mm barrel on the starboard side (not the twin 20mms as per standard arrangement). Someone (perhaps Jon?) will have better knowledge of guns and be able to work this out.
In one image it looks like the guns on the upper platform were the normal twin 20mm arrangement but that the starboard barrel on both sets has been removed, possibly for evaluation by Canadian forces. Opinions would be welcome.
Cheers,
Dougie
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Yep, the four life raft canisters on the fore deck are missing, as are the 20mm gun shields, and the Askania compass housing. The U 190 had the old-style compass housing, so I get why they changed it. However, if they had left all the missing items on the parts trees for those that would like to have them, that would have been great.
I did finally hear back from Tehnoart, and they are going to send me a set of the 20mm gun shields. The life raft canisters I guess will have to be "liberated" from one of my VIIC/41 kits. The Askania compass housing I can live without; the U 1232 did not have one anyway..
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Hi all,
I branched off to another thread to ask very direct questions about how to model U-190: http://models.rokket.biz/index.php?topic=1333.0
While the information in THIS thread is good, there is some cross-talk about what should ideally have been in the new 05133 kit, or how other boats were configured.
My new thread has a very specific focus... what to modify to make an accurate U-190.
I hope y'all can help with that... there is obviously a wealth of knowledge here. :)