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SEA => SUBS: Uboats => TYPE VII => Topic started by: Cezar on 13 Jan , 2009, 18:45

Title: Does 1/144 count ?
Post by: Cezar on 13 Jan , 2009, 18:45: Good day gentleman.
First of all, I
Title: Re: Does 1/144 count ?
Post by: bracco_n on 13 Jan , 2009, 18:59: First things first, Welcome to this excellent forum! You'll find terrific info here.
Some time ago I finished the type VIIC 1/144 of which you can see pictures. At the moment when I was building it I didn't know as much as I do now so I couldn't reflect it on my model. Take your time to learn, look at pictures and go building it without rushing. You'll be very satisfied with the result.
I wish you the best!
Nicolas
Title: Re: Does 1/144 count ?
Post by: Mr.Mox on 14 Jan , 2009, 00:58: Welcome, you are in for a good beginning with drilling out the floodholes - you may want to consider thinning the material out from the back, so the hullmaterial looks thinner around the openings.

Be carefull, submarines can be addictive ..... ;D
Title: Re: Does 1/144 count ?
Post by: Siara on 14 Jan , 2009, 00:58: Welcome to AMP Cezar!
Are you drilling the holes outright? Lot of work- i find skimming the plastic on inside with dremel tool will open em eventually without problem, and makes edges all nice, and clean. ;)
Title: Re: Does 1/144 count ?
Post by: Greif on 14 Jan , 2009, 01:22: Hello and welcome Cezar! The advice that Jan and Siara give is very good. I have found that using a dremel tool with the Number 114 cutting head (the round one) makes the job of thinning out the inner hull much easier.

Set the dremel to its slowest speed, go slow and use light pressure. I use a light offset behind the hull side I am working on to gauge the thinness of the plastic. When it is thin enough to see through I use a sharp Number 11 xacto to open the flood vents.

It only takes a little practice and you will be opening vents in no time. Remember, go slow with light pressure.

Hope this helps.

Ernest
Title: Re: Does 1/144 count ?
Post by: rabapla on 14 Jan , 2009, 02:53: just use a toothpick to push through after thinning.

and

Yes, 1/144 definetly counts!
Title: Re: Does 1/144 count ?
Post by: Cezar on 14 Jan , 2009, 04:30: Gentleman.
Thank you for the warm welcome.
Well, using the Dremel tool to thin hull walls was my first instinct. But I have old 1/125 scale Revell U-boot kit that I
Title: Re: Does 1/144 count ?
Post by: Rokket on 16 Jan , 2009, 22:45: Hi Cezar,

it looks like yo are off to a good beginning!
Title: Re: Does 1/144 count ?
Post by: Cezar on 17 Jan , 2009, 18:06: Gentleman, small update.
Things are going slow, but I
Title: Re: Does 1/144 count ?
Post by: NZSnowman on 17 Jan , 2009, 19:45: Hi Cerzar

You have a personal message.
Title: Re: Does 1/144 count ?
Post by: Mr.Mox on 18 Jan , 2009, 02:15: I dont know if its worth the effort doing a inner hull in 1:144 as far as I know the deck is solid, and the holes in the deck is the main view to a inner hull ?

Otherwise, theres lots of inspiration to the inner hull in this tread http://models.rokket.biz/index.php?topic=106.msg1174#msg1174 (http://models.rokket.biz/index.php?topic=106.msg1174#msg1174)

I like the trick with tube - would allso work in larger scales and be a good beginning on scratching a innerhull.

Cheers/jan
Title: Re: Does 1/144 count ?
Post by: Siara on 18 Jan , 2009, 02:38: Cezar- i have noticed you have cut open all 3 holes on both sides of the bow.
Most type VII boats had only 2 holes on starboard side, and 3 holes on port side.
(http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/1953/68417427ok4.jpg)
Title: Re: Does 1/144 count ?
Post by: rabapla on 18 Jan , 2009, 03:44: if Cezar isn't into rivet,
Title: Re: Does 1/144 count ?
Post by: Greif on 18 Jan , 2009, 05:49: Nice build! I to like the PVC pipe idea. I think at 1:144 scale, and the fact that the deck is moulded solid, what you have done will be good enough at replicating a pressure hull.

Again, looking good!
Title: Re: Does 1/144 count ?
Post by: Cezar on 18 Jan , 2009, 08:04: Gentleman.

So you liked the PCV pipe idea ? Good, have few more in my sleeve.
Siara, good catch, I blindly followed Revell without checking the photos, I
Title: Re: Does 1/144 count ?
Post by: Mr.Mox on 18 Jan , 2009, 08:42: Quote from: Cezar on 18 Jan , 2009, 08:04
By the way, can you guys hare some observations about available books out there ? How good is
Title: Re: Does 1/144 count ?
Post by: Cezar on 19 Jan , 2009, 16:31: Well, I had some time to burn yesterday, so I pulled out my tools and more PCV pipe.
Few hours later I ended up with this.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v234/czarecki/u11.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v234/czarecki/u10.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v234/czarecki/u12.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v234/czarecki/u9.jpg)

Now, remember, this is quick and dirty, very little of it will be visible but at least I
Title: Re: Does 1/144 count ?
Post by: Siara on 19 Jan , 2009, 17:02: Cezar- this is the shot of Yankee Modelworks P. Hull
(http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/2865/phullny1.th.jpg) (http://img174.imageshack.us/my.php?image=phullny1.jpg)
You may wish to copy whats there, as it is similar to whats on the real boats, not all of it is accurate, but its OK. The mufflers are missing, but you can get the inspiration here:http://u-552.blogspot.com/2008/03/stern-ribbing-and-exhausts.html (http://u-552.blogspot.com/2008/03/stern-ribbing-and-exhausts.html)
Title: Re: Does 1/144 count ?
Post by: Cezar on 19 Jan , 2009, 18:45: COOL !
Now this will keep me busy for a while.
Thanks,
Cezar.
Title: Re: Does 1/144 count ?
Post by: rabapla on 20 Jan , 2009, 00:08: yankee modelworks' hull is 80% correct, so it should be o.k.. just ad a bended pipe from the mufflers (red arrows) to the outlet.

visibility?
as rokket said: "I could have painted it (pressure hull) fluorecent green, you won't see a lot later on" (or so)
and that was in 1/72!
Title: Re: Does 1/144 count ?
Post by: Greif on 20 Jan , 2009, 13:35: Your build is looking great! I love the pressure hull.
Title: Re: Does 1/144 count ?
Post by: Cezar on 20 Jan , 2009, 20:12: Slowly but steady.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v234/czarecki/u14.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v234/czarecki/u15.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v234/czarecki/u16.jpg)

Cezar.
Title: Re: Does 1/144 count ?
Post by: bracco_n on 20 Jan , 2009, 20:43: Terrific! I never thought it could be done on 1/144th scale! keep up the good work
Title: Re: Does 1/144 count ?
Post by: Mr.Mox on 21 Jan , 2009, 00:43: Looking really good -

Cheers/Jan
Title: Re: Does 1/144 count ?
Post by: Cezar on 26 Jan , 2009, 15:10: Gentleman.
Work on my VII D slowed down a little, family first, yes ?

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v234/czarecki/u17.jpg)

Anyways, I think I
Title: Re: Does 1/144 count ?
Post by: Siara on 26 Jan , 2009, 15:42: Looking good Cezar!
It only goes to show you dont need to spent mega bucks to end up with good looking pressure hull. In fact it is better than Yankee Modelworks P. Hull, as it is round, and not flat as a pancake, as Y.M is.
Dont forget to glue something under the Conning Tower, as often modellers leave the space empty, and it can look strange when the C.T. hangs in midair. ;)
Title: Re: Does 1/144 count ?
Post by: Cezar on 26 Jan , 2009, 15:54: Siara, thanks for the tip, i have it covered, there will be structure there, just like in your model. As well as the mine shafts.
But, this is far from now, i'm going to try to scribe the outside of the hull like you did, the slight cave in areas between the welds and rivets.
Wish me lots of luck...
Cezar.
Title: Re: Does 1/144 count ?
Post by: bracco_n on 26 Jan , 2009, 16:27: Well done cezar, your boat is looking awesome. I've already built this boat but will keep a keen eye on this one for my next try at this model.
Good luck!
Title: Re: Does 1/144 count ?
Post by: Greif on 27 Jan , 2009, 00:28: Hi Cezar, your u-boat is really taking shaping. Great job on the pressure hull, it looks outstanding! Keep up the good work!
Title: Re: Does 1/144 count ?
Post by: Rokket on 27 Jan , 2009, 00:51: Impressive p-hull, excellent work!
Title: Re: Does 1/144 count ?
Post by: Mr.Mox on 27 Jan , 2009, 01:37: Very nice innerhull, looks like a great master for a resin cast!

Its more than sufficient to give the right look trough the floodholes.

Cheers/Jan
Title: Re: Does 1/144 count ?
Post by: rabapla on 27 Jan , 2009, 03:08: Resin?

I'd order one for sure!!!!!
Title: Re: Does 1/144 count ?
Post by: Cezar on 31 Jan , 2009, 10:31: Gentleman.
Not too much to report. I
Title: Re: Does 1/144 count ?
Post by: Mr.Mox on 31 Jan , 2009, 11:15: "starved cow" - good one, hehe ;D

Anyway, looks terrific (positive ;) ) and I am sure it will be worth the effort!

Cheers/Jan
Title: Re: Does 1/144 count ?
Post by: bracco_n on 26 Feb , 2009, 06:35: So Cezar, have you made any further progress?
Title: Re: Does 1/144 count ?
Post by: Rokket on 27 Feb , 2009, 00:39: Good work so far!
Title: Re: Does 1/144 count ?
Post by: Cezar on 02 Mar , 2009, 06:07: Hi all.
Well, nothing really new to report. I
Title: Re: Does 1/144 count ?
Post by: billp51d on 02 Mar , 2009, 12:05: Quote from: Cezar on 02 Mar , 2009, 06:07
Hi all.
Well, nothing really new to report. I
Title: Re: Does 1/144 count ?
Post by: Cezar on 02 Mar , 2009, 19:07: Just as I expected, not worth the trouble, but I have to figure out some way to put something there. I tried to use pounce wheel for rivets, looks OK.
One way or another, I don
Title: Re: Does 1/144 count ?
Post by: Mr.Mox on 03 Mar , 2009, 01:03: Don
Title: Re: Does 1/144 count ?
Post by: Rokket on 04 Mar , 2009, 04:36: Even if to big, having something there is probably (debatably!) better than nothing.Technicaly ven 1:72 rivets would be all but invisible. My vote (this is a votign situation, right?) is go for it!
Title: Re: Does 1/144 count ?
Post by: wildspear on 04 Mar , 2009, 10:16: An easy way of reproducing weld lines is using masking tape and some putty. Worked really well on my Gato.
Title: Re: Does 1/144 count ?
Post by: billp51d on 04 Mar , 2009, 10:38: Quote from: wildspear on 04 Mar , 2009, 10:16
An easy way of reproducing weld lines is using masking tape and some putty. Worked really well on my Gato.
Wildspear...your probably right..I've tried some other methods including thined styrene..There's more control with tape and green stuff..Just a slice with a knife can give narrow (thin) weld effect..Bill
Title: Re: Does 1/144 count ?
Post by: wildspear on 04 Mar , 2009, 10:44: I tried using copper wire but it just didnt work well. I use painters masking tape(leaves no residue) and some regular putty.
Title: Re: Does 1/144 count ?
Post by: Rokket on 07 Mar , 2009, 04:43: Glen Cauley has a great method, and he has worked with Archer Transfers to create a BEAUTIFUL set of resin welds and rivets on decal film! Beautiful! Great stuff!
But if you only need to replace welds, the tape ans green puty REALLY is simple and works well.

Now, if you have lost some rivets, or wonder about the weld pattern, the Archer Tranfser set is superb. I have seena set and am very impressed, working on some pix. A bit expensive, but it will push your model over the edge.
Title: Re: Does 1/144 count ?
Post by: Cezar on 09 Mar , 2009, 17:48: Little research goes long way.
Well, I listened to you guys, checked the Archer page and I found this.

http://www.archertransfers.com/AR88017.html

Smallest weld beads only, just what I need.
Thanks a lot,
Cezar.
Title: Re: Does 1/144 count ?
Post by: Rokket on 11 Mar , 2009, 02:31: I have a review set I haven't reviewed formally, yet, but it looks fantastic! Glenn Cauley (a Forum member right here!) did all the research, piecing heaps together. The xfrs themselves are very unique and look very high-quality. I will post a formal review soon!