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SEA => SUBS: Uboats => TYPE VII => Topic started by: NZSnowman on 23 Nov , 2015, 18:52

Title: Late war Type VIIC’s & navigation lights
Post by: NZSnowman on 23 Nov , 2015, 18:52

Dougie, I have a question about late war Type VIIC’s, did they still have the Side lights (navigation lights) on the tower?

Title: Re: Late war Type VIIC’s & navigation lights
Post by: SG on 24 Nov , 2015, 11:59

Simon, it looks like they did (or at least the batch U 1191/U 1210 from F. Schichau GmbH, Danzig, did).
U 1195

(http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m130/s-germani/Uboats/RIMG0890.jpg) (http://s103.photobucket.com/user/s-germani/media/Uboats/RIMG0890.jpg.html)

Title: Re: Late war Type VIIC’s & navigation lights
Post by: dougie47 on 24 Nov , 2015, 14:12

Hi Simon and Stefano,

As Stefano has pointed out, the later VIICs all had the navigation lights. There were differences to the types used in earlier boats. Firstly, on the photo of U 1195 you can see a horizontal grip bar (which looks black in the photo) that is mounted on the side of the tower, directly below the channel which allowed light to shine forward. I've seen this grip bar on other late VIICs (including U 1105) in the same location.

On the early VIICs this grab rail was located on top of the spray deflector (not on the tower side).

The navigation light on the starboard side was quite different on late VIICs compared with early VIICs. I'm sure you are familiar with the style on early boats. But on the late war boats the area surrounding the navigation light was much bulkier, with the horizontal surface at the top extending much farther forward.

Cheers,

Dougie

Title: Re: Late war Type VIIC’s & navigation lights
Post by: NZSnowman on 25 Nov , 2015, 10:51

Thanks, Stefano & Dougie.

Does anyone have any good pictures of the late war Type VIIC’s side lights (navigation lights) on the tower?

Title: Re: Late war Type VIIC’s & navigation lights
Post by: SG on 25 Nov , 2015, 11:42

I got a few. I'll send them to your email address asap.

Title: Re: Late war Type VIIC’s & navigation lights
Post by: dougie47 on 25 Nov , 2015, 15:16

Hi Simon and Stefano,
 
Here are some I scanned in.
 
(http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc118/dougie47/U1192_4.jpg)
Above is U 1192. Note the light is below the FuMO box and there is a grip bar just ahead.
 
(http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc118/dougie47/U249_port.jpg)
Above is U 249. It is a bit dark to see it clearly but note how this is different from U 1192 in that this one has a sort of hood ahead of the FuMO box.
 
(http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc118/dougie47/U778_sb.jpg)
Next we come to the other side. Above is U 778 showing the channel which allowed light to shine forward. What is really noticeable here is the armoured plate above the spray deflector.
 
(http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc118/dougie47/U960_5.jpg)
Above is U 960. This frontal view shows how the lights and their surroundings were quite bulged.
 
(http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc118/dougie47/U1023_nav_light.jpg)
Above shows the starboard side of U 1023. This one is quite good because it shows the shape of the housing and the channel ahead of the light itself. If you compare this one with early VIICs you should see quite a difference.
 
Cheers,
 
Dougie
 

Title: Re: Late war Type VIIC’s & navigation lights
Post by: SG on 25 Nov , 2015, 15:58

Great close-ups and a most detailed and complete study, as always. Congrats and thank you!

Title: Re: Late war Type VIIC’s & navigation lights
Post by: NZSnowman on 25 Nov , 2015, 16:59

Dougie, a big thanks!

A lot better than anything I had.

Will post my drawings in a few days.

Title: Re: Late war Type VIIC’s & navigation lights
Post by: NZSnowman on 28 Nov , 2015, 14:56

Starboard Navigation Light

I base the 3-D model on original German measurement and wartime photographs.

Model upload to https://3dwarehouse.sketchup.com/collection.html?id=u4a2facb6-00be-441c-a5e5-ffd7a3c3549d (https://3dwarehouse.sketchup.com/collection.html?id=u4a2facb6-00be-441c-a5e5-ffd7a3c3549d)


(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/670/23353016986_cb45326e43_o.png)

(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5695/23296914601_f28a279549_o.png)

Title: Re: Late war Type VIIC’s & navigation lights
Post by: dougie47 on 29 Nov , 2015, 05:46

Great work Simon.

Cheers,

Dougie

Title: Re: Late war Type VIIC’s & navigation lights
Post by: SG on 29 Nov , 2015, 14:03

Looking Great! Keep it up!

Title: Re: Late war Type VIIC’s & navigation lights
Post by: NZSnowman on 07 Dec , 2015, 21:50

I did a little more research on the side navigation lights, here the updated light fixtures. This layout of the glass fixtures suggests that while at sea the glass fixtures were rotated 90 degrees so the glass not showing.

(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5797/22972432174_501aa4848a_z.jpg)

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/738/23492049662_5f019585ca_z.jpg")

Title: Re: Late war Type VIIC’s & navigation lights
Post by: NZSnowman on 10 Dec , 2015, 12:46

I have uploaded the new 3-D model of the starboard side navigation light.

https://3dwarehouse.sketchup.com/collection.html?id=u4a2facb6-00be-441c-a5e5-ffd7a3c3549d (https://3dwarehouse.sketchup.com/collection.html?id=u4a2facb6-00be-441c-a5e5-ffd7a3c3549d)

Title: Re: Late war Type VIIC’s & navigation lights
Post by: Roel on 21 Jan , 2016, 15:06

Great models!! This is amazing work:)