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Title: Building my typ-XXIII / trumpeter-1/144
Post by: Pepper-mint on 07 Jun , 2010, 10:57
Hi,

This model will my second step in the submarine's world...
I'm unpatient to begin this sub, it might be home soon... I found some historical pictures, but i have to say that my sources are poor.

I took the TRUMPETER model instead of the ICM : http://www.hyperscale.com/2009/reviews/maritime/trumpeter05907reviewbg_1.htm

In advance thank you... ;)

Cheers,
Laurent.
Title: Re: U-boot typ XXIII - trumpeter 1/144 scale
Post by: Sniperonzolo on 07 Jun , 2010, 12:00
I have a special navy 1/72 package waiting for...
But i have little info... only some pics

i need to finish gato and u-boot vii c/41

ciaaaao if i found something i'l post here:)
Title: Re: U-boot typ XXIII - trumpeter 1/144 scale
Post by: Pepper-mint on 07 Jun , 2010, 12:17
Great Sniperonzolo !

It will be a pleasure to share...

Title: Re: U-boot typ XXIII - trumpeter 1/144 scale
Post by: Pepper-mint on 09 Jun , 2010, 09:22
Hi gents,

I found some material on websites, subsim.com for great 3D drawings, and some other low-res pics from internet. History and list of coded boats too.
But nothing's mention the "name" of this damn beauty  ???. If somebody knows the code of the sub -pic 1st post-, it would be great ; not essential but this future birth (modell-build) needs a name...

So i have 2 questions for you  ;D :

-What is the code of this type XXIII ? Or what do this geometrical strip composition mean ?

-I'm looking for plans/detail pics concerning the hull wooden-deck ; on the model it's molded into one piece on the hull. I'd like to make it with real wood. (The pics are from SUBSIM / Tomi_099 "the old man", real nice 3D !!! BTW : http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=116988&page=15)

Many thanks to you, if -with a bit of luck- you read this post.

Cheers,
Laurent.
Title: Re: U-boot typ XXIII - trumpeter 1/144 scale
Post by: NZSnowman on 10 Jun , 2010, 01:50
Hi Laurent

You have PM
Title: Re: U-boot typ XXIII - trumpeter 1/144 scale
Post by: Pepper-mint on 10 Jun , 2010, 04:10
Thanks Simon  ;)

Received TRUMPETER 1/144 scale, Type XXIII U-BOAT.
Always a great moment ; for 10,00
Title: Re: U-23 / U-boot typ XXIII - 1/144
Post by: Pepper-mint on 11 Jun , 2010, 12:38
1 question remain :
-I'm looking for plans/detail pics concerning the hull wooden-deck ; I'd like to make it with real wood.
Title: Re: U-boot typ XXIII - trumpeter 1/144 scale
Post by: Rokket on 11 Jun , 2010, 18:23
I think it's going to be tricky. A bigger scale you could lay your own planks, but grain will be a problem anyway. Hopefully Pat will see this, I think he's the deck man
Title: Re: U-boot typ XXIII - trumpeter 1/144 scale
Post by: Pepper-mint on 13 Jun , 2010, 08:27
A bigger scale you could lay your own planks, but grain will be a problem anyway

I'm working on that "problem" : I'm smockin' big cigars and they're always wrapped in a wooden sheet ; it's generaly made of high quality exotic wood.
My idea is to glue this sheet on a styren sheet...
Title: Re: U-boot typ XXIII - trumpeter 1/144 scale
Post by: Pepper-mint on 13 Jun , 2010, 11:20
Simon, thank you !
Title: Re: U-boot typ XXIII - trumpeter 1/144 scale
Post by: Rokket on 13 Jun , 2010, 18:16
interesting!
Title: Re: U-boot typ XXIII - trumpeter 1/144 scale
Post by: Pat on 14 Jun , 2010, 16:48
Yeah, I save that thin veneer from cigars too but it's more useful for making square or wide areas of wood than it is for planking because it's useually too thin for planks by itself unless you stick to something (like the plastic you suggest) and then it's extremely difficult to cut it in a straight line for planks.

However, if you do decide to use it for planks, cut the plastic sheet into strips first because it's easier to get straight lines, and if something does go wrong (the plastic cracks or the cut goes off straight) then you haven't lost a piece of veneer.  Then glue the cigar veneer to the plastic "planks", making sure it's oversize, and trim the edges with an X-acto knife or scapel.

I use precut cherry wood planks that I get from a company called Lee Valley in Canada.  They're very striaght, very thin, they take stain and paint well and they have almost no grain so they look great for wood decks.  You can order it online at

http://www.leevalley.com/en/wood/page.aspx?p=40840&cat=1,250,43217

Unfortunately, the cost of $23.50 CDN might be too much for the small amount you'd be using on your boat.  Each strip is about 24" (61 cm) long so you'd only need about 2 strips.  Maybe there's some way we can work out how to send them to you?

On the type XXIII itself, the deck is really just a few planks bolted onto frames straddling the PH.  Keep in mind that in real life, the planks were spaced a few cm apart to let water through.  They were raised above the PH slightly also, so water flowed undeath them between the deck and the PH.

You're lucky, the type XXIII is the easiest one of all the U-boats to make a wood deck for and you're also correct that making the deck out of real wood looks great and adds a lot of authenticity to your build.
Title: Re: U-boot typ XXIII - trumpeter 1/144 scale
Post by: Pepper-mint on 15 Jun , 2010, 08:17
Thank you Pat for all your attention.

In fact it's quiet difficult to cut the veneer if you don't glue them on a styren sheet (evergreen); the needed planks are approx. 1,0 mm wide -for the "special navy" 1/72- and 0,5 mm for the 1/144 but it works.
I never had the "lucidity" to search on internet for precut wood planks. Thanks for the link, very usefull.

...Each strip is about 24" (61 cm) long so you'd only need about 2 strips.  Maybe there's some way we can work out how to send them to you?

Very kind from you ! I'll contact you via PM if necessary  :)

On the type XXIII itself, the deck is really just a few planks bolted onto frames straddling the PH.

You're right, that's what i noticed on all the pics i have, but the frame is invisible and well this is what i'm looking for : a plan or a pic from the frame...
It seems that the deck is made of 4/5 parts. How does the deck frames fits (it's the case) around the 2 bollards, etc... ?


Title: Re: Building my typ-XXIII / trumpeter-1/144
Post by: Pepper-mint on 16 Jun , 2010, 15:46
Up...

Please feal free to give your opinions  ;)
Title: Re: Building my typ-XXIII / trumpeter-1/144
Post by: Rokket on 17 Jun , 2010, 02:45
nice work on the grab-handles and hatch work! Those details are worth the effort!
Title: Re: Building my typ-XXIII / trumpeter-1/144
Post by: Pepper-mint on 19 Jun , 2010, 07:58
Thanks rokket  :)

Some WIP on type XXIII...
Still a lot of finishwork to do.
Title: Re: Building my typ-XXIII / trumpeter-1/144
Post by: Siara on 21 Jun , 2010, 01:29
Nice!
Title: Re: Building my typ-XXIII / trumpeter-1/144
Post by: Rokket on 21 Jun , 2010, 02:45
love the rigging
Title: Re: Building my typ-XXIII / trumpeter-1/144
Post by: Pepper-mint on 09 Jul , 2010, 11:02
 ;) ;) ;)

Sorry i'm a bit far... no modelling for the moment...

Cheers Gents.
Title: Re: Building my typ-XXIII / trumpeter-1/144
Post by: Rokket on 09 Jul , 2010, 21:11
too many Real Life interruptions - we're all too familiar with that! Keep your chin up mate!
Title: Re: Building my typ-XXIII / trumpeter-1/144
Post by: Pepper-mint on 09 Sep , 2010, 07:02
Hi,

Docks should open on 22 september...

Cheers.
laurent
Title: Re: Building my typ-XXIII / trumpeter-1/144
Post by: Pepper-mint on 12 Sep , 2010, 13:39
hi,
I'm still outside europe, but my wife is sending me scans from the so long awaited (and major info source) "in France" book...
So impatient to have my wife and the book in my hands...

It's cruel 3 months without a WIP on the typ XXIII !!!
 :'(  ;)
Title: Re: Building my typ-XXIII / trumpeter-1/144
Post by: Rokket on 18 Sep , 2010, 18:17
stay on target...! ;)
Title: Re: Building my typ-XXIII / trumpeter-1/144
Post by: Pepper-mint on 23 Sep , 2010, 10:34
Thank you Rokket for your always kind and encouraging words !

Cheers Mate !
Title: Re: Building my typ-XXIII / trumpeter-1/144
Post by: Seewolf on 23 Sep , 2010, 18:05
just saw your boat, very nice work, love the rigging... what did you use for the insulators ?
Title: Re: Building my typ-XXIII / trumpeter-1/144
Post by: Pepper-mint on 24 Sep , 2010, 03:38
Hi Seewolf,

I used very fine platic pipes, and filled them with glue directly on the rigging.
 ;)
Title: Re: Building my typ-XXIII / trumpeter-1/144
Post by: Rokket on 25 Sep , 2010, 01:55
I did similar, tho not as easy or elegant (I won't divulge my crappy method), and in the end, little tiny bumps seem OK.
Title: Re: Building my typ-XXIII / trumpeter-1/144
Post by: Pepper-mint on 27 Sep , 2010, 04:44
Hello Mates,

Minor but quick great pleasure WIP on the "entwicklung" Type XXIII ; I (re-re)changed the antenna cable, reworked the vents over the exhaust/pressure bottles section from the C.tower.
I made a new "angriffs-seehrohr" in copper. The "angriffs-sehrohr" or periscope is not finished, it's to thin to do it right now, i'll do it at the end.

TBC...
Title: Re: Building my typ-XXIII / trumpeter-1/144
Post by: LE BOSCO on 27 Sep , 2010, 12:08
Hi Pepper-mint

great job !!!Everything in sharpness,it is going to make a beautiful model , I like it!!
regards
Nicolas
Title: Re: Building my typ-XXIII / trumpeter-1/144
Post by: Pepper-mint on 28 Sep , 2010, 05:49
Hi People,

Thanks Bosco !
Title: Re: Building my typ-XXIII / trumpeter-1/144
Post by: Seewolf on 28 Sep , 2010, 21:13
The boat is turning out very nice, like it... waiting for more pics  ;D