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Re: [WIP] Revell's 1/144 Type XXI (my way)
« Reply #15 on: 28 Jan , 2009, 21:37 »
Thanks, mate. As I said before you should see it in real life: it is much more subtle.
Quick update (this time without pictures): Started drilling out holes in the hull. I have decided to cut out just the rows of the "big ones" on the sides and (again) fill the smaller ones with flat black to simulate openings. I kinda like the way turm turned out.

Also I would like to ask for help here: Does anyone have a close-up of the main drain holes in the hull? I have gone through my whole archive of XXI pics (electronic and books) and this is the only picture I have found:

It seems to me that they were split in a halves with a small splitter inside? Also I need to find out if there were any sort of "ribs" between each one of them.
Any help here would be really appreciated.
Thanks!

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Re: [WIP] Revell's 1/144 Type XXI (my way)
« Reply #16 on: 29 Jan , 2009, 01:41 »
@NZSnowman Yes, I did. Thanks a lot for trying to help me out but unfortunately on the picture is U-2513 in her post-war modification under US flag. I can't use that picture as a reference.

@Cezar That is an interesting drawing (from Vom Original zum Modell Typ XXI) and you are right that according to the drawing the splitters should be only in holes #2, 4 and 5. Unfortunately if you take a look at the pics of U-2518 the splitters seem to be definitely in holes #2, 3 and 4 and (when I tried to blow up the picture in Photoshop) in hole #1 as well. There were so many differences in real XXI compared to the blueprints that it would drive modeler nuts. :D

I will keep looking, if I can't find any more sources I will consider either Cezar's drawing or just put a splitter in every hole.  :(
« Last Edit: 29 Jan , 2009, 01:58 by conus00 »
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Re: [WIP] Revell's 1/144 Type XXI (my way)
« Reply #17 on: 29 Jan , 2009, 11:45 »
@NZSnowman Yes, I did. Thanks a lot for trying to help me out but unfortunately on the picture is U-2513 in her post-war modification under US flag. I can't use that picture as a reference.

Thanks conus00, learn something everyday ;D I am thinking about drawing the XXI after I have finish my VIIC/41, I will try to remember is about this picture ::)

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Re: [WIP] Revell's 1/144 Type XXI (my way)
« Reply #18 on: 19 Feb , 2009, 02:37 »
Ok, guys.
Small update. I have finished drilling and opening the draining holes in both halves of the hull. I can't seem to find reference pictures for the "insides" of the holes so this is probably the road I will take: I have created a 3D mock-up and I will try to go with this following idea:


I'm still waiting for one more person to get back to me with some additional pictures so I will wait a little bit longer...

What do you guys think?
« Last Edit: 09 Aug , 2009, 03:01 by conus00 »
On the workbench:
Trumpeter 1/144 Type XXIII U-boat
ICM 1/144 Type IIb U-boat
ICM 1/144 Type XXIII U-boat
Revell 1/144 Type VIID U-boat
Minicraft 1/700 USS Ticonderoga CG-47
Collecting materials:
(scratchbuild) 1/144 Type XVII-B Walther U-bo

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Re: [WIP] Revell's 1/144 Type XXI (my way)
« Reply #19 on: 19 Feb , 2009, 11:03 »
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Re: [WIP] Revell's 1/144 Type XXI (my way)
« Reply #20 on: 19 Feb , 2009, 22:19 »
Picture should be up now...
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Re: [WIP] Revell's 1/144 Type XXI (my way)
« Reply #21 on: 20 Feb , 2009, 18:16 »
Here are a few pictures I found of U-2440 at Flickr of the main drain holes. they may be useful.

http://flickr.com/photos/diabloazul/2424372476/sizes/o/in/set-72157604614971687/ by Bremerhaven
http://flickr.com/photos/diabloazul/2423563763/sizes/o/in/set-72157604614971687/ by Bremerhaven

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Re: [WIP] Revell's 1/144 Type XXI (my way)
« Reply #22 on: 22 Feb , 2009, 14:24 »
Good pictures. Thanks!
I wonder how many changes were made to Wilhelm Bauer after the war in this particular area?
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Re: [WIP] Revell's 1/144 Type XXI (my way)
« Reply #23 on: 22 Feb , 2009, 14:48 »
I was thinking about the same thing, as I was downloading a few pictures from the inside of the boat. There should a report about that example in the charges of U-2440. There a few drawing of the charges in Anatomy of the Ship - The Type XXI U-boat. I believe they sent a lot time to bring U-2440 back to 1945.   

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Re: [WIP] Revell's 1/144 Type XXI (my way)
« Reply #24 on: 20 Mar , 2009, 12:58 »
Ok, guys.
Small update. I have finished drilling and opening the draining holes in both halves of the hull. I can't seem to find reference pictures for the "insides" of the holes so this is probably the road I will take: I have created a 3D mock-up and I will try to go with this following idea:


I'm still waiting for one more person to get back to me with some additional pictures so I will wait a little bit longer...

What do you guys think?

I just found this in Anatomy of the Ship - The Type XXI U-boat.


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Re: [WIP] Revell's 1/144 Type XXI (my way)
« Reply #25 on: 30 Apr , 2009, 00:46 »
Ok, here we go...
I apologize for not keeping this thread up-to-date but I'm going through some personal problems right now which do not leave too much time for modelling.
Enough said, I have gotten back to working on my build of U-2536 recently so here's a small update:
All the flood holes are dremelled out, I have decided (due the lack of the references) to put the splitters in draining holes #2, 4 and 5. Time to paint the holes and weather them....





Next step is to build torpedo tube(s)...
« Last Edit: 09 Aug , 2009, 03:03 by conus00 »
On the workbench:
Trumpeter 1/144 Type XXIII U-boat
ICM 1/144 Type IIb U-boat
ICM 1/144 Type XXIII U-boat
Revell 1/144 Type VIID U-boat
Minicraft 1/700 USS Ticonderoga CG-47
Collecting materials:
(scratchbuild) 1/144 Type XVII-B Walther U-bo

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Re: [WIP] Revell's 1/144 Type XXI (my way)
« Reply #26 on: 30 Apr , 2009, 09:34 »
I like it! keep up!

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Re: [WIP] Revell's 1/144 Type XXI (my way)
« Reply #27 on: 05 May , 2009, 23:44 »
Here's another small update.
Torpedo tube finished (I decided to open just one and keep the others closed).


Build the linkage of the bow diving planes. Decided to get rid of the "toyish" Revell option and glued them in fully-open.


The same part painted (Please note that, yet again, the camera makes the "rust" look too flat and outlined. In real it is actually very subtle and looks like a real rust.)


Getting close to gluing both halves of hull together (as soon as all dries and I figure out how to mount the boat on the pedestal). :D
Later.
« Last Edit: 09 Aug , 2009, 03:05 by conus00 »
On the workbench:
Trumpeter 1/144 Type XXIII U-boat
ICM 1/144 Type IIb U-boat
ICM 1/144 Type XXIII U-boat
Revell 1/144 Type VIID U-boat
Minicraft 1/700 USS Ticonderoga CG-47
Collecting materials:
(scratchbuild) 1/144 Type XVII-B Walther U-bo

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Re: [WIP] Revell's 1/144 Type XXI (my way)
« Reply #28 on: 05 Jun , 2009, 05:53 »
Allright, I have both hulls glued together, figured how to mount the model on the custom stand and have been doing some more research on painting the boat. Unfortunately here I ran into a small glitch: I may have made a mistake while creating the mock-up of the paint scheme.
I would really appreciate your take on this.
Looking very closely on the original picture (in the starting post of this thread) I have found out that some of the lines are way too straight to be just wear on the paint (highlighted in yellow here):


Doing further research I have found out that there was actually a color scheme including a combination of yellow and black stripes on the school boats. Here is Revell's paint scheme of U-2514

and picture of the real U-2514:


So I figured that the revised mock-up should look more likely like this:


Another two facts supporting this theory are that the little symbol next to number 2536 is Frontreif badge (painted on the school boats when they were ready to leave the school for combat) and U-2536 never went on a single patrol. It was part of the 31. Flottille (training) under the command of Oblt. Ulrich V
« Last Edit: 09 Aug , 2009, 03:17 by conus00 »
On the workbench:
Trumpeter 1/144 Type XXIII U-boat
ICM 1/144 Type IIb U-boat
ICM 1/144 Type XXIII U-boat
Revell 1/144 Type VIID U-boat
Minicraft 1/700 USS Ticonderoga CG-47
Collecting materials:
(scratchbuild) 1/144 Type XVII-B Walther U-bo

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Re: [WIP] Revell's 1/144 Type XXI (my way)
« Reply #29 on: 05 Jun , 2009, 15:11 »
Hi Libor,

Your research on the training colours looks correct. The black vertical stripe behind the tower rungs was intended to hide the smudging from the tips of the sailors' boots (which occurred when they climbed up and down the tower). The black stripe can be found on some VIIC towers.

The yellow will add a ncie bit of colour, I think.

Cheers,

Dougie