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Re: [WIP] Double Type XXIII build (ICM and Trumpeter, both 1/144)
« Reply #75 on: 27 Dec , 2010, 00:55 »
great dwgs
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Re: [WIP] Double Type XXIII build (ICM and Trumpeter, both 1/144)
« Reply #76 on: 29 Dec , 2010, 06:17 »
hi,

received my 1/144 trumpi Typ XXIII 5908. just projects possible:
A with the closed bridge. wrong CT sides with the ladder steps at the CT- sides, cut out like flood holes (like on U-2322). wrong top: shouldn't be fully closed when building U-2330 or 2360.
B with a splash guard on the upper rim and a "collar" half way up the CT front, like on Typ VII etc. steps again on the CT sides
C straight CT, no splash guard, no (!) steps

hull: some additional flood holes at the bow, like on some drawings from R
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Re: [WIP] Double Type XXIII build (ICM and Trumpeter, both 1/144)
« Reply #77 on: 29 Dec , 2010, 09:28 »
Hi Ralf,
If I understand you correctly, you will try to build U-2330 as she appeared on March 1945 based on these two pictures showing her being lowered onto Slipway 8 of the Germania Shipyard, correct?

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Re: [WIP] Double Type XXIII build (ICM and Trumpeter, both 1/144)
« Reply #78 on: 31 Dec , 2010, 15:10 »
exactly.
sort of a feasibility study for my Alanger 1/72 typ XXIII. already noticed that the upper edge of the rear slope must be aligned to the periscope socket: otherwise one can't fix the life belt to it...........

and now working in 1/144 myself I can really apperciate what You achived with Your boats!
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Re: [WIP] Double Type XXIII build (ICM and Trumpeter, both 1/144)
« Reply #79 on: 31 Dec , 2010, 16:09 »
Thanks Ralf,
I just thought that you might like the following mock-up I created to modify the Trumpeter's 5908.
Here are my suggestions how to modify the kit to make it look like U-2330.


starting from the top:
-sand down hatch and create opening on the top of the CT (that is left to interpretation as there are no clear pictures of the turm. I think I came pretty close)
-extend the bulge (I would suggest to go further than the front of the periscope housing: if you take a look at this picture, I believe that in reality it extends almost half way of the housing and also the slope is less steep than the kit's part):

-crate step's rungs
-sand down and recreate the handrails and extend them and curve them up to the top of the front hatch (feature, I believe, unique on this boat)
-fill most of the flooding holes, create a few new ones and recreate the access hatch (maybe just use different CT and modify the top?)
-no wooden deck
-only one rudder on the bow
-fill three flooding holes on the bow (U-2330 had only 3 instead of 6)
-recreate the sounding equipment "notch" in the keel

These are just a few suggestions, I'm looking forward to your building log!  ;)
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Re: [WIP] Double Type XXIII build (ICM and Trumpeter, both 1/144)
« Reply #80 on: 01 Jan , 2011, 10:47 »
Your mock up really summs it up!!
except that I used the kits slope that' pretty much what I did  ;)
the arrangement of the flood holes of the ct won't be 100%.

doing the same modification on the alanger boat in parallel...........

1/144 is hell of being small! ::)

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Re: [WIP] Double Type XXIII build (ICM and Trumpeter, both 1/144)
« Reply #81 on: 01 Jan , 2011, 12:09 »
Wow! You are already done? I'm a hell of a slow builder in comparison.
I demand pictures!  :D :D :D :D :D

Just two quick pictures of my progress:
Yellow went on first, then the top cover of grey. UAK rune is airbrushed on.
Waiting till tomorrow for the paint to thoroughly dry before masking and painting the bottom.

I plan on weathering both boats at the same time:

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Re: [WIP] Double Type XXIII build (ICM and Trumpeter, both 1/144)
« Reply #82 on: 02 Jan , 2011, 01:23 »
looks lovely - yellow first?
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Re: [WIP] Double Type XXIII build (ICM and Trumpeter, both 1/144)
« Reply #83 on: 02 Jan , 2011, 09:27 »
Quote from: rokket on 02 Jan , 2011, 01:23
looks lovely - yellow first?

Yep. The yellow is acrylic, the rest of the paints are enamels. Enamels leave much thinner coat. When I tried (on a piece of old hull) mask the yellow stripe last the paint left visible "step" (i.e. was too thick).
I sprayed the yellow first (which blended the edges) then masked the stripes and sprayed coat of grey. The results are nice stripes without any visible edges.
I hope that makes sense....

I just airbrushed the bottom dark grey and while the boat is drying I sat it right next to my finished Type XXI. Couldn't help it, had to snap a few pictures:


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Re: [WIP] Double Type XXIII build (ICM and Trumpeter, both 1/144)
« Reply #84 on: 02 Jan , 2011, 13:39 »
Quote from: conus00 on 01 Jan , 2011, 12:09
Wow! You are already done? I'm a hell of a slow builder in comparison.

No, I just filled the flood holes and did the modifications You've shown above. now I'm in the sanding and polishing process. still have to install the CT interior.
I disagree with Your interpretation of the rear slope: just look at the position of the flag pole............

realy ran into some problems with the 1/72 alanger. the biggest problem is to find a 3.5x1.5x2.5cm pice of not too hard plastic to carve the semi- closed CT top!!!!!!!!! Grrrrr!

deeply impressed by Your boats: look like 1/72!
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Re: [WIP] Double Type XXIII build (ICM and Trumpeter, both 1/144)
« Reply #85 on: 02 Jan , 2011, 14:52 »
Thank you, sir!
I always strive for the best I can achieve.

My Special Navy is still on backorder but I am already thinking about getting two kits: build them as U-2321 (which was the first of Type XXIII commissioned) and U-2330 (the other boat with experimental CT) and display them side-by-side. Would be nice to compare the differencies.

Also, as far as the extend of the slope on the CT here's why I believe that it extends at least half way to the periscope housing:
This is the picture from U-boot Im Focus #3 (page 14). It is not very good quality but I know that you have the original publication so if you take a look at it I believe that if the slope was ending at the front of the housing then you would be able to see the WHOLE housing joining at 90 degrees with the top of the CT. As you can see on the picture the housing is missing small triangle which makes me believe that the slope is actually in front of the housing but I might get that wrong....  ;)


Any pictures of your build so far?
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Re: [WIP] Double Type XXIII build (ICM and Trumpeter, both 1/144)
« Reply #86 on: 03 Jan , 2011, 05:38 »
o.k., we are pretty close:
1. top front rim of the rear slope: level with the front of the periscope housing (remember the life belt in the crane U-2330 photo?).
2. rear end: halfway back of the periscope housing. check this with the position of the flag pole, which is at the rear edge of the bridge. and I will have to think about the position in relation to the rear- top flood holes...........and that the transition between bridge rear bulkhead and rear top was rounded (according to the plan views).........

I found the shape of Your CT- opening already very convincing............

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Re: [WIP] Double Type XXIII build (ICM and Trumpeter, both 1/144)
« Reply #87 on: 03 Jan , 2011, 12:34 »
Ralf,
I made a little 3D mock-up how I believe the turm on U-2330 and U-2360 looked like in my opinion.
It's just a little quickie in Photoshop but it serves the purpose:


What do you think?
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Re: [WIP] Double Type XXIII build (ICM and Trumpeter, both 1/144)
« Reply #88 on: 03 Jan , 2011, 17:55 »
Continued working on the U-Hai diorama. The boat is finished, it just needs one last clearcoat (tomorrow after decals dry).
Started to figure out the overall composition:

and couple of close-ups



Still have three more figures to be placed in the diorama and (as you can see) none of the boxes/barrels/cans are painted.
Also, the "water" is still just a blue square. :D

I'm thinking about getting a bottle of Magic Water, I've seen some very good results with it.
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Re: [WIP] Double Type XXIII build (ICM and Trumpeter, both 1/144)
« Reply #89 on: 03 Jan , 2011, 19:55 »
U-hai looks great! By the way I love your XXI
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