Author Topic: Alanger type XXIII in 1:72 and Eduard Etch - waterline conversion (Read 19236 times)

Mr.Mox · « **on:** 09 Jan , 2009, 04:50 »

Hi Guys!

First a little introduction, My real name is Jan Klarb

Siara · « **Reply #1 on:** 09 Jan , 2009, 14:19 »

Welcome to AMP Jan!

Nice boat you got there. I like the detail. Unfortunately i can not help you with this build, as i have faint knowledge of late subs.
But id like to see the typ II boat you finished. Any chance of posting some pictures?

bracco_n · « **Reply #2 on:** 09 Jan , 2009, 15:55 »

I definetly want to see your type II. You'r boat is really nice, well done!

Mr.Mox · « **Reply #3 on:** 09 Jan , 2009, 17:28 »

Thanks mates, I have posted a picture in the II A forum.

Heres the current state of my XXIII - got the basic paintjob done, now for some effects and touchups. Needs a crew too... and a base, and some water and....

Cheers/Jan

Rokket · « **Reply #4 on:** 10 Jan , 2009, 04:15 »

Welcome Jan!

I have taken breaks too, but for more beer than girls...damn!

Your build looks very nice, quality and detail.

Hopefully Dougie will see this thread, he will help.

dougie47 · « **Reply #5 on:** 10 Jan , 2009, 08:18 »

Hi Jan,

I'm not knowledgeable on XXIIIs so I can't help too much. But in the photos I've seen I think you are right about the wooden section. It is there on some photos and not there on others. It is probably exactly as you say, that the wood was removed on delivery. Or the wood could have been removed during patrols and added when in port?

I hope you add the wood as it will make it more interesting.

Here are photos of a XXIII in 35th scale -

http://www.accurate-armour.com/ShowProduct.cfm?manufacturer=0&category=13&subcategory=27&product=452

Nice build once again.

Cheers,

Dougie

Mr.Mox · « **Reply #6 on:** 11 Jan , 2009, 01:07 »

Thanks all,

I have done a wooden deck, i

Rokket · « **Reply #7 on:** 11 Jan , 2009, 01:17 »

The 1:35 section would be a very nice display piece.

Good info/link Dougie, nice pix.

rabapla · « **Reply #8 on:** 12 Jan , 2009, 01:57 »

welcome jan,

nice to have You here too.

stumbled over your excellent work already a few times.

especially like Your interior work!!!!!!!!!

Mr.Mox · « **Reply #9 on:** 12 Jan , 2009, 09:22 »

Thanks Rababla,

Deck done, Wash and wheatering done

And the layout on the base:

bracco_n · « **Reply #10 on:** 12 Jan , 2009, 11:38 »

WONDERFUL!

Siara · « **Reply #11 on:** 12 Jan , 2009, 12:59 »

I like it too! Coul you share some more details about painting, and especially about weathering techniques?

Mr.Mox · « **Reply #12 on:** 12 Jan , 2009, 13:56 »

Thanks!

Well, painting begins with a primer - especially when using photoetch a doing a lot of conversions. After that I preshade all panellines, weld seams and shadows in general. I use a dark gray as I find black too harsh.

The the base coat - a little more light than i want it - as the work afterwards tends to darken it. Then I postshade with a even lighter grad in the middel of the panels. At this stage i have a model that basically have 3 diffent colors gradually mixed.

This is how it looks like at this stage (naturally the darker part of hull should be painted allso)

Then i coat it with future to prepare it for working with oils.

What I want now is to give these big areas a bit more expression, thay are even after this a bit dull.

I do that with adding dots of different oilcolors and wiping it off with a damp brush - keep on wiping untill you get the desired result:

Now its time for a more detailed wash in all recesses and after a dullcoat i drybrush it with oils again.

Even if its in Japanese this is a good inspiration:

part one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWqfbxHQCjc&feature=channel_page

and two: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jA9Gv58HYZ0&feature=related

Hope it helped.

Cheers/Jan

Siara · « **Reply #13 on:** 12 Jan , 2009, 16:35 »

I gathered you are using enamels, and thats why you seal it with future- amm i right?
Im going to paint it with acrylics.

That japanese guy is painting in super speed- shame i cant understand the word he is saying.

Mr.Mox · « **Reply #14 on:** 13 Jan , 2009, 00:23 »

Hi, no I

rabapla · « **Reply #15 on:** 13 Jan , 2009, 00:59 »

thank you very much for your tutorial in "filtering"!

helps a lot!!

did you correct the dimensional errors of the alanger boat in any way?

Siara · « **Reply #16 on:** 13 Jan , 2009, 00:59 »

The crew is looking sweet!

rabapla · « **Reply #17 on:** 13 Jan , 2009, 01:01 »

hey siara, don't you have to work right now?

Mr.Mox · « **Reply #18 on:** 13 Jan , 2009, 01:09 »

Quote from: rabapla on 13 Jan , 2009, 00:59

thank you very much for your tutorial in "filtering"!

helps a lot!!

did you correct the dimensional errors of the alanger boat in any way?

You are welcome - tjeck out MIG

Siara · « **Reply #19 on:** 13 Jan , 2009, 01:16 »

Quote from: rabapla on 13 Jan , 2009, 01:01

hey siara, don't you have to work right now?

I just heard the horn from the shipyard- im off to the docks...

Greif · « **Reply #20 on:** 14 Jan , 2009, 00:28 »

Hi Jan, beautiful build you have going! It is going to be just a good as your Type II.

What shade(s) of green did you use for the base?

Mr.Mox · « **Reply #21 on:** 14 Jan , 2009, 00:41 »

Thanks Greif, just some random vallejo air i had - mostly armour colours sprayed on in stripes - not sure how much will be visible with the water on - I

Greif · « **Reply #22 on:** 14 Jan , 2009, 00:54 »

Hi Jan, thank you for the reply and please call me Ernest!

My next build will be a Type IIA, U-3 in a pre-war dockside diorama. After studying alot of photos I plan to give the water a greenish hue and your green looks perfect.

Ernest

dougie47 · « **Reply #23 on:** 14 Jan , 2009, 15:01 »

Hi guys,

A number of posts in this thread concerned dioramas. As requested, the topic has been split. The diorama posts have been moved to a topic of its own (dioramas and water-making) in the General Model Discussion section.

Cheers,

Dougie
Moderator

Mr.Mox · « **Reply #24 on:** 15 Jan , 2009, 14:17 »

Thanks Dougie!

Now heres where you just have to keep believing and hope the best ... and wait for it to dry up properly.

Cheers/Jan

Siara · « **Reply #25 on:** 15 Jan , 2009, 14:59 »

Im really curious where this one is going. Do you mind bringing us step by step of what you are using please?
Like the wave wake- looks exactly as it should be.

Mr.Mox · « **Reply #26 on:** 16 Jan , 2009, 02:23 »

Quote from: Siara on 15 Jan , 2009, 14:59

Im really curious where this one is going. Do you mind bringing us step by step of what you are using please?
Like the wave wake- looks exactly as it should be.

Its propably not the best method, but its relatively simple, cheep and non toxic. I use a material called Acryllic Gel Medium which you can buy in any craft or art store - it allso works as glue, but is primely intended to build up mass in acryllicpainting. It comes in different textures, this is the finest without anything added.

First i make the base, in this case its a piece of MDF - medium density fiberboard - its nice and heawy and dont warp with moisture - still its a good thing sealing it. I paint the base, in this case diffent shades of green to simulate the wavepattern I want to achive with the gel - finish with a gloss laquer or future, it helps the gel flow and fill any roughness in the base.

Then i begin building up the water, I have added several layers of Acryllic Gel Medium which has been tinted in variying degress with acryllic paints - different shades of green. - I have added a thicker layer where the waves is supposed to be, but as the Gel is rather fluid, it takes several times to build it up.

Drying time is abuot 1

Siara · « **Reply #27 on:** 16 Jan , 2009, 14:14 »

Thanks Jan!

Carry on- ill follow with great interest.

Rokket · « **Reply #28 on:** 16 Jan , 2009, 22:52 »

Nice work, and love the pilings

Mr.Mox · « **Reply #29 on:** 18 Jan , 2009, 08:44 »

Thanks mates, Siara - I have some photos on the crew that I will post later in a seperate tread.

Heres the boat - I guess I am done, Im quite happy with the result, so I think I will leave it at this:

Siara · « **Reply #30 on:** 18 Jan , 2009, 10:06 »

One word- fantastic!

Greif · « **Reply #31 on:** 19 Jan , 2009, 01:03 »

Jan, its perfect! I really like how your water turned out, very realistic. I am going to practice the same technique you used before my Type II build. Any advice on what tools I should use to manipulate the acrylic gel?

Again, simply beautiful!

Ernest

rabapla · « **Reply #32 on:** 19 Jan , 2009, 03:18 »

very impressiv build of the not-so-nice alanger boat!

looks definetly like a type XXIII

conus00 · « **Reply #33 on:** 19 Jan , 2009, 15:07 »

Jan,
very impressive!

Mr.Mox · « **Reply #34 on:** 20 Jan , 2009, 06:22 »

Thanks guys - much too kind. Well its done, I have put it in the cabinet, not to see the light of day again

Don

Siara · « **Reply #35 on:** 20 Jan , 2009, 10:16 »

Jan- i have prooposition for you. How about the dio of partly sunken boats- perhaps after air strike, with visible destruction to the harbour, and lots of weathered rust, and so on.
I may take on something like that in the future to polish the rust technique.
What do you think?

Mr.Mox · « **Reply #36 on:** 20 Jan , 2009, 14:39 »

Well, I have been tempted by the Hobby Boss 1:700 boats to do a scene with harbour and U-Boot pen, like in Brest

Doing something like that in 1:72 would be huge ... and totally impossible to store anywhere around here.

Cheers/Jan

rabapla · « **Reply #37 on:** 20 Jan , 2009, 23:51 »

1/144 then?

Mr.Mox · « **Reply #38 on:** 21 Jan , 2009, 02:29 »

Quote from: rabapla on 20 Jan , 2009, 23:51

1/144 then?

Still too big, 1:350 maybe.

Mr.Mox · « **Reply #39 on:** 20 Mar , 2009, 03:49 »

Theres a bunch of additional photoes here: http://modelshipwrights.kitmaker.net/modules.php?op=modload&name=Sections&file=index&req=viewarticle&artid=2556

It was quite challaging doing the water, and one of the lessons is, that the frame gives sinkmarks in the gel where it meets the frame - I

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