VIIC/41 - Schematices drawing

[dougie47]

Hi Simon,
 
I'm looking at the Lifecolor UA608 Schlickgrau and UA 609 Blaugrau colours and comparing them to the Snyder & Short paint cards. The Blaugrau is not too bad. But the Schlickgrau does not look the same at all (it doesn't have the mud-gray look  at all). There are quite major differences between colours on computer screens (the colours look different between my PC and laptop) so this makes this exercise particularly difficult.
 
When I was researching paint colours I obtained a diskette from RAL and these give the following RGB and CMYK codes -
 
RAL7000 RGB - 120/131/137    CMYK - 40/10/10/40 (Dunkelgrau 51)
RAL7001 RGB - 137/145/150    CMYK - 10/0/0/40 (supposedly Hellgrau 50 but I have doubts)
RAL7016 RGB - 54/61/65   CMYK - 60/30/30/80 (Dunkelgrau 53 + lower hull colour)
RAL7024 RGB - 62/65/70    CMYK - 80/60/50/40 (Dunkelgrau 52)
 
Unfortunately there are no RAL codes for the 58 colours. I tried to approximate the 58 colours to find RGB values and these are the codes I came up with -
 
Schlickgrau 58 - RGB - 77 / 81 / 76
Blaugrau 58/1 - RGB - 73 / 78 / 78
Blauschwarz 58/2 - RGB - 22 / 34 / 34
 
These codes looked like the S&S paint cards on the monitor I was using at the time. Just to further complicate matters, some computer screens look darker than others and on my current monitor they look a bit too dark (groan). I would recommend trying the RGB values above for Schlickgrau and Blaugrau and see how they look.
 
Cheers,
 
Dougie
 
 
 

[NZSnowman]

Dougie, the new colours look great

I like both Blaugrau 58/1 & Blauschwarz 58/2

Schlickgrau 58 - RGB - 77 / 81 / 76


Blaugrau 58/1 - RGB - 73 / 78 / 78


Blauschwarz 58/2 - RGB - 22 / 34 / 34

[dougie47]

Hi Simon,
 
Looking very good. Going by the U 1305 commissioning photo you will need a colour lighter for the upper hull and tower than the lower hull. I'd say Blauschwarz 58/2 would be too dark. But Blaugrau 58/1 - that would work just nicely.
 
Have you added RAL7016 to the lower hull?
 
I see you have kept kept the UZO top and binoculars light grey. Good spot - they did tend to keep these items in light grey.
 
Cheers,
 
Dougie

[NZSnowman]

Does anyone know what these are?

I found them on the lower wintergaten, and I believe also on the upper wintergaten. I have never noted them before

[NZSnowman]

Tore, what could these two valves (you can see a 'T' handle in one of the hole) be for?

[OldNoob]

I have wondered this as well NZ. Im guessing the T-bar would indicate access to a valve of some sort. Great find on the photo!

[NZSnowman]

I have wondered this as well NZ Im guessing the T-bar would indicate access to a valve of some sort.

Yes, I believe a valve but nothing show up on my under the decking piping drawing

[OldNoob]

Ya know.... just looking at it. .. this may be a silly thought but, could it be that the holes are simply there to temporarily hold the pry bar or t-bar used to open or work in some of those access doors? and to keep that bar from sliding or being kicked off the deck?

[NZSnowman]

Does anyone know what these are?

I found them on the lower wintergaten, and I believe also on the upper wintergaten. I have never noted them before

I think I workout that the two cut out on the deck are for. I believe they are locking handle for the large wooden hatch next to it. They used the same locking handle style on the Galley Hatch.

[NZSnowman]

Does anyone know what these are?

I found them on the lower wintergaten, and I believe also on the upper wintergaten. I have never noted them before

Below this the Ammunition Container on the late war Type VIIC's. The Ammunition Container is different on the earlier Type VIIC's and the Type IX's.

[Capt Kremin]

Hi Simon,'


Makes sense. The Gallery hatch is part of the original build and so would have common fittings, whereas the various turms seem to be local brews based on a general set of plans so the hatch in view could have been retained with an adhoc mechanism, if not unique it could have been used either by one shipyard or even one construction crew.
This custom building is more noticeable with the type IXs where each boat seems to have a unique detail on it, perhaps this is so due to there being less of then, but I believe that the same diversity of fit and finish exists on the type VIIs, it's just with the numbers built it is harder to spot. I suspect that the Captains had a certain amount of say in how the turm was fitted out during upgrades, along with material availability gives each boat a good change of being unique,


Speaking of such things your latest post with the ammo container reminds me of of the diversity of the number and locations of the ready containers, (ammo and life raft).


Regards
Jon

[OldNoob]

I think I workout that the two cut out on the deck are for. I believe they are locking handle for the large wooden hatch next to it. They used the same locking handle style on the Galley Hatch.

Nice!

[NZSnowman]

Just upload the Ammunition Container to my 3DWarehouse page.

https://3dwarehouse.sketchup.com/collection.html?id=u4a2facb6-00be-441c-a5e5-ffd7a3c3549d

[NZSnowman]

While researching the top hand rail around the upper Wintergarten I noted that the Germans charge the style near to the end of the war.

Reason why? Perhaps to save metal (3.5% less steel) and/or construction time? 

Style 1 - Early to mid War, follow the contour of the deck below.
Style 2 - Late War - More arounded.


Fig. 1. Style 2 (left) and style 1 (right)


Fig. 2. Style 1 Yellow and style 2 pink.

[OldNoob]

Could it also been a matter of different Ships yards doing things slightly different?

From the picture, it also looks like where the stanchions attach to the upper wintergarden is also a bit different.
In fact the actual shape of the wintergarden decks also look different. One is more rounded and one seems to be more rectangular