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Offline dougie47

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The real Type VIIDs
« on: 19 Mar , 2011, 07:04 »
Hi guys,

This thread is for discussion on the real Type VIID U-boats. If anyone has any information on the real boats please share it here. All aspects of the six VIIDs can be discussed (the patrol history, commanders, operational effectiveness, technical features, colour schemes and insignia of each individual boat, modifications made to each boat etc.).

We can start with U 213. Does anyone have info on this boat?

Cheers,

Dougie

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Re: The real Type VIIDs
« Reply #1 on: 19 Mar , 2011, 09:04 »
This photo album from U218 was sold some time ago, it contains some very interesting photos of said boat:
http://www.historical-media.com/id1012.htm

That's all I have to report about VIIDs, too bad I've already started work on U94. Good luck with the group build!
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Re: The real Type VIIDs
« Reply #2 on: 19 Mar , 2011, 12:34 »
I saw a great book on the Kriegsmarine (I can not remember the title), it had a whole chapter on U-218, with many fantastic pictures of the boat, which were from the photographs album above.

By the way, a fantastic set of photographs of U-218 :o

I have a partially original Type VIID plan, it show the mine tubes and the Control Room, I can post it.

Links
http://www.uboat.net/boats/u213.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_submarine_U-213
http://www.ubootwaffe.net/ops/boat.cgi?boat=213

Pictures of U-213


(Source: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=1077603&postcount=105)
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Re: The real Type VIIDs
« Reply #3 on: 19 Mar , 2011, 13:08 »
Hi guys,

Good photos Nicolas, hadn't seen them before.

Simon, the second photo you posted (showing crewman saluting on aft deck) - I'm pretty sure this is U 47 in the autumn of 1940 in Lorient. The reason it may have been mislabelled as U 213 is Amelung von Varendorff. He became commander of U 213 but earlier he was a watch officer on U 47 from, if memory serves me correctly, the start of Scapa mission (patrol 2) until the end of patrol 9. He is very likely to be one of the officers in the photo in the U 47 photo.

It was Von Varendorff's association with U 47 which lead to him choosing the snorting bull as the personal insigia of U 213.

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Dougie

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Re: The real Type VIIDs
« Reply #4 on: 19 Mar , 2011, 13:38 »
Thanks for the update, and information about 2nd picture. It would not be the first time a war time photograph has been mislabelled ;D

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Re: The real Type VIIDs
« Reply #5 on: 20 Mar , 2011, 22:07 »
Correct or incorrect labelling for photo # 2, one thing that strikes me is how crowded the deck of the boat is with the whole crew mustered aft like that.

Considering that the photo shows almost half the length of the boat, and keeping mind that the habitable portion of the pressure hull does NOT extend all the way to the bow or the stern, and also thinking about how much room equipment, controls, bulkheads, periscopes, engines, motors and spare torpedoes take up on the inside, it really gives you an idea of how crowded these 'sewer pipes' really were.

I hadn't appreciated it before until put into perspective with that photo.

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Re: The real Type VIIDs
« Reply #6 on: 21 Mar , 2011, 13:18 »

I have a partially original Type VIID plan, it show the mine tubes and the Control Room, would I can post.


Simon Hi,

I would love to see the mine tubes... thank you

BTW this is what i see when you post photos, and i don't know why...:



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Re: The real Type VIIDs
« Reply #7 on: 21 Mar , 2011, 13:43 »

(Source: Unknown - Can not remember...old age ;D)

Hi Pepper

I am sure I have seen this problem about not loading selected web sites before on other forum. I think its something to do with you internet provider. Can you view the web page from the link of the source? http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=1077603&postcount=105

Pepper, do you see this for all my pictures I post?

Simon


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Re: The real Type VIIDs
« Reply #8 on: 22 Mar , 2011, 08:17 »
I have checked all my archives and here's few pictures of various Type VIID I have.
U-213




U-214







U-216


U-217


U-218




On the workbench:
Trumpeter 1/144 Type XXIII U-boat
ICM 1/144 Type IIb U-boat
ICM 1/144 Type XXIII U-boat
Revell 1/144 Type VIID U-boat
Minicraft 1/700 USS Ticonderoga CG-47
Collecting materials:
(scratchbuild) 1/144 Type XVII-B Walther U-bo

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Re: The real Type VIIDs
« Reply #9 on: 22 Mar , 2011, 12:03 »
Great links and photos !!!

found this : http://www.u-modelismo.com/foromodelismonaval/index.php?topic=1340.0

Simon, yes, frogs everywhere  ;D The same with all imageshack fellows.
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Re: The real Type VIIDs
« Reply #11 on: 23 Mar , 2011, 13:48 »
Hi Simon,

Excellent! I've been looking for late war shots of VIIDs as I've wondered what they did about the lower platform. Looks like they added the lower platform on top of some of the mineshafts.

With that camo U 218 would make some model.

Thanks agian,

Dougie

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Re: The real Type VIIDs
« Reply #12 on: 23 Mar , 2011, 15:08 »
Amazing photos!
Dougie I sent you a PM concerning U94 insignia, did you get a chance to see it?
Nicol

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Re: The real Type VIIDs
« Reply #13 on: 23 Mar , 2011, 15:21 »
Sorry Nicolas,

I missed your PM but see it now. Will contact you tonight.

Cheers,

Dougie

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Re: The real Type VIIDs
« Reply #14 on: 23 Mar , 2011, 23:34 »
Hi Simon,

Excellent! I've been looking for late war shots of VIIDs as I've wondered what they did about the lower platform. Looks like they added the lower platform on top of some of the mineshafts.

With that camo U 218 would make some model.

Thanks agian,

Dougie

I believe U-218 was the only VIIF to do a lower platform and camo. My initial drawing was of U-218 so I did a bit of research on U-218.