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Re: German Torpedo Color?
« Reply #210 on: 20 Mar , 2018, 05:27 »
Here is two G7es T11, of those three found inside U 534 torpedo tubes in excellent condition when she was raised. Only 38 G7es T11 was ever made.


Is it unpainted/greased steel for body and copper(?) for the war head.


Some more can be seen in this documentary, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7IqdInqJMs&t=2380s about 39 minutes in.

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Re: German Torpedo Color?
« Reply #211 on: 20 Mar , 2018, 09:44 »
Has anyone considered making a small document (with line drawings, colours, etc.) to show the details, dimensions, colours etc. of the torpedoes?
Please?

It's great to have a forum discussion, but trying to follow it for pages to glean information is difficult.
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Re: German Torpedo Color?
« Reply #212 on: 20 Mar , 2018, 10:27 »
Has anyone considered making a small document (with line drawings, colours, etc.) to show the details, dimensions, colours etc. of the torpedoes?
Please?

It's great to have a forum discussion, but trying to follow it for pages to glean information is difficult.


I would love to see that!


Sadly I can not do it, way to little knowledge about it, besides that I am a true beginner in building models.


This thread contains great info, but by now much of the shared pictures is broken. So as you say, a written summary with colours, markings and materials would be awesome!

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Re: German Torpedo Color?
« Reply #213 on: 20 Mar , 2018, 10:53 »
Natter... would this be something that you might want to tackle?
You are the resident expert on German torpedoes.  :)
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Re: German Torpedo Color?
« Reply #214 on: 20 Mar , 2018, 13:00 »
Has anyone considered making a small document (with line drawings, colours, etc.) to show the details, dimensions, colours etc. of the torpedoes?
Please?

It's great to have a forum discussion, but trying to follow it for pages to glean information is difficult.

Glenn, I have line colour drawings of almost all the U-boat torpedoes used. I could repost and make a small document, but we would need Natter to check the drawings as there a many different torpedoes combo.

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Re: German Torpedo Color?
« Reply #215 on: 20 Mar , 2018, 13:31 »

Fig. 1. Pi1, Arming Range 150 m.


Fig. 2. Pi1, Arming Range 300 m.


Fig. 3. Pi2, Arming Range 300 m.


Fig. 4. Pi3, Arming Range 300 m.

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Re: German Torpedo Color?
« Reply #216 on: 20 Mar , 2018, 14:14 »
Quote from: Islandern
Here is two G7es T11, of those three found inside U 534 torpedo tubes in excellent condition when she was raised.
Check previous posts in this topic regarding the correct number of torpedoes. Note that the torpedo being pressurewashed is an "ordinary" G7a(TI).

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Only 38 G7es T11 was ever made.
Well, that is what the books say, but I recently found an original german list of torpedo-inventory from august (if I remember correctly) 1944, stating 88 G7e(TXI) available at that time. I'm pretty sure they made even more from then to april/may 1945.


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Is it unpainted/greased steel for body and copper(?) for the war head.
Yes, but the Kb head for the G7a(TI) is made of bronze though, and the Ke or Kf heads for the G7e(TXI) were made of steel, and painted dark grey.

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Re: German Torpedo Color?
« Reply #217 on: 20 Mar , 2018, 14:29 »
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Has anyone considered making a small document (with line drawings, colours, etc.) to show the details, dimensions, colours etc. of the torpedoes?
Please?
It's a nice idea, but probably impossible to fulfill if you want to cover all types of torpedoes and their variants. So much original documents/material is simply not available (a lot was lost during the last year of the war, and much have been destroyed afterwards).

I have the german lists of torpedoes with technical specs for all the operationally G7a and G7e variants (minor differences externally). The tricky part is the types that were in different stages of development...

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Natter... would this be something that you might want to tackle?
You are the resident expert on German torpedoes.  :)
Expert is a strong word, although I probably have more than average knowledge on the topic... ;-)
Sadly, I don't have the skills in graphic design to create anything like the stuff made by for instance NZSnowman.

I'm struggling with some health issues as well, so I'm not able to spend much time on the computer (among my numerous projects on hold, is an indepth article (70 pages so far) on the G7ef(TX) torpedo and the german "Spinnebatteries" :-( ).

I'd be happy to assist as much as possible with comments on drawings etc though :-)
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Re: German Torpedo Color?
« Reply #218 on: 20 Mar , 2018, 14:39 »
I think most of we modellers would be very happy to see a booklet showing the following info:

* Most common variants of torpedoes that were in operational subs & midget subs
* Line drawings of the torpedoes, with dimensions
* Line drawings of torpedo warheads & triggers (?), tail sections
* Common colours of torpedo parts, operational & dummy
* List of current manufacturer offerings, which are best, which are worst... in say 1/72 and 1/35 scales

The goal would be to give scale modellers a comprehensive guide to work from, so we can create better (and more accurate) torpedoes.
It wouldn't be to make a complete historical document.
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Re: German Torpedo Color?
« Reply #219 on: 20 Mar , 2018, 14:47 »
As long as you're limiting the list to torpedoes that saw operational use during the war, this should probably be feasable (with certain "holes", due to missing documents).

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* Most common variants of torpedoes that were in operational subs & midget subs
No problem
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* Line drawings of the torpedoes, with dimensions
I can't do it, but it should be doable (NZsnowman already has much of this at hand already)
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* Line drawings of torpedo warheads & triggers (?), tail sections
Ditto
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* Common colours of torpedo parts, operational & dummy
More challenging (hence this topic)...
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* List of current manufacturer offerings, which are best, which are worst... in say 1/72 and 1/35 scales
If anyone can assenle a list of manufacturers and dig up some photos of the models/parts, it should be easy to give comments towards the quality.

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Re: German Torpedo Color?
« Reply #220 on: 20 Mar , 2018, 15:08 »

Fig. 5. Warhead Bronze.


Fig. 6. Warhead Steel.

 

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Re: German Torpedo Color?
« Reply #221 on: 20 Mar , 2018, 15:09 »
 I am happy to post the drawings I have. To keep it easy and simple at the beginning how about we keep the torpedoes to three simple parts (tail, body, Warhead and pistol) and list the torpedoes combos. For examples:

Early War Torpedoes
G7a (TI)
Fig. # / Fig. # / Figs. 6 & 7 / Figs. 1, 2 & 3
 
Once we happy with the drawings and torpedoes combos, I can join the drawings to make a torpedo.
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Re: German Torpedo Color?
« Reply #222 on: 20 Mar , 2018, 15:21 »
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I think most of we modellers would be very happy to see a booklet showing the following info:
* Most common variants of torpedoes that were in operational subs & midget subs
I made this from a list I already had "in the works":

Natter, this is fantastic list. I will try to match my drawings with your list.

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Re: German Torpedo Color?
« Reply #223 on: 20 Mar , 2018, 15:52 »

Fig. 7. G7a TI.


Fig. 8. G7a TI.




Fig. 9. G7a TI Fat I.


Fig. 10. G7a TI Lut I.


Fig. 11. G7a TI Lut II.


Fig. 12. G7a TI Lut III.

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Re: German Torpedo Color?
« Reply #224 on: 20 Mar , 2018, 15:55 »
Natter,

Q1. Could you get the Fat I, Lut I, Lut II & Lut III with a bronze propellers (fig. 7)?

Q2. Did the Fat I, Lut I & Lut III have any markings on the outside?

Thanks, Simon.
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