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SEA => SUBS: Uboats => TYPE VII => Topic started by: David83 on 21 Mar , 2015, 12:34
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Dear All
I need some help regarding the Dingi on Typ VIIc Boats .
I have seeing in some Availabel Drawings that the Dingi was stored left side at the front Extern Torpedo Container on the pressure Hull.
Can anyone provide some infos how it was stored there and how it was fix there to not shake around while submerged .
All Infos or picture would be a great help for me .
Thanks in advance
wbr David
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David.
I believe the fwd external torpedocontainer was removed on the later execution of the VIICs. As you know the later VIICs had originally four pressurecontainers on the port side immediately fwd. of the schnorchel mast recess. On some boats they removed some of the containers leaving 2 or 3. As far as I remember we stored the rubber dingy in one of the two containers as can be seen on KNM Kaura ex U-995 image below.
Tore
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Dear Tore
thanks for the help and your reply ,my question was not clear i guess sorry :'( :'(
i was searching Infos of the full wooden dingi which was not foldable and was stored in one pieces on the pressure hull .
thanks
wbr David
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Hi David,
I suppose you mean the wooden dingi stored under the deck of the type IXC boats. AFAIK the typeseven boats only carried rubber dingis (as described by Tore).
Regards
falo
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Hi David,
maybe this picture of the upper pressure hull (scale 1/72 for the Revell IXC kit) will be helpful for you. On the right side (red circle) you can see the wooden dingi.
Regards
falo
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Dear All
Thanks again for the help and Infos but now i am totaly confused .
In the drawings which are availabel in the net there are cleary an wooden dingi placed near the ext.torpedo Container .(see attachment )
Thanks
wbr David
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Hi David,
well, I guess that wooden dignhy was in use in the early years of the war. Then it was stated as impractical and replaced with rubber dinghies and one-man life-rafts (aircraft type). Go to the page: http://uboatarchive.net/ (http://uboatarchive.net/) and at the bottom is the search box. Type there the "dinghy" key-word, and you will get search results - the reports from the interrogation of U-Boat survivors. I have found only one note about wooden dingy, which was replaced.
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Regards
Maciek
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Hi David,
This is the only picture I have of the dinghy that you are asking about, it can be seen behind the vents below the capstan in U201_C6_brest_19jul41. Access to the dinghy would be through the deck panels under the sailor with the shorts on in externo44.
Regards
Jon
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David.. Another good link as follows.. It's a fairly good drawing of U-570.
Shows clearly the dingy in question.
http://www.uboatarchive.net/U-570/U-570GeneralPlanDavidTaylorHR.htm (http://www.uboatarchive.net/U-570/U-570GeneralPlanDavidTaylorHR.htm)
Regards, Bill..
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Hi Bill,
Good catch.
Regards
Jon
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Hi David, Tore, Bill, Cap and Maciek,
sorry for mixing up things here with my IXC thoughts.
Regards
Falo
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Thanks to all for the great help my question are now solved
because of the great knowledge here .
Again many thanks .
wbr David
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David, I found a picture of the wooden dinghy. I know you were probably interested in representing the dinghy upside down since it was stored in this fashion under the deck, but just for the sake of completeness.. ;D . The (?under repair/temporarily-fixed) Uboat's bow is also interesting.
(http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m130/s-germani/Uboats/RIMG0524.jpg) (http://s103.photobucket.com/user/s-germani/media/Uboats/RIMG0524.jpg.html)
(http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m130/s-germani/Uboats/RIMG0530.jpg) (http://s103.photobucket.com/user/s-germani/media/Uboats/RIMG0530.jpg.html)
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Hello SG, Hello all,
The picture shows not a bow temporary fixed/ under repair.
What you can see is the fixation of an "Eisschutz". A special construction to protect the torpedo door to Ice.
At the picture you can see the same from a diferent point of view.
Regards,
Uboatfan
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Great info Uboatfan. I would have never guessed. Thanks a lot!!!
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Hi All,
Best photo of the row boat yet SG
Regards
Jon
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;D
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Fantastic
Thanks for this great Picture
wbr David
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David I've checked the technical drawing again and it looks like the dinghy is stored on its side rather than upside down. Just magnify the original drawing. What do you think about that?
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Hello SG, hello all
i' m not David but i hope my reply is also welcome:
The Dingi was stored sidways on Type II and VII.
Upside down i know from Type IX.
Dingi's where only used in early war years. Later they where replaced by Lifeboats and a bigger rubber boat.
On other Types i dont know. But Type XXI and XXIII hat no dingi on board. They use a rubber boat from beginning.
Regards,
Uboatfan
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Uboatfan thats a great piece of information, thank you for joining!
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Hello all,
i looked up all my books and pictures....
It seems that the dingi was a wooden boat (Klinkered Hull?) in early days (Type I, II and VII A/B) and later made of metal with a smooth hull (Type VII C and IX).
In every case the dingi was tiny.
Regards,
Uboatfan
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Hi all,
Anyone have any details as to where the dinghy is stowed on a type II?, none of my plans show it and there does not seem to be much space in the outer hull for one.
Regards
Jon
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Hello,
At all my plans it is located on the right side under the deck. Position between front end of pressure hull and anf end of torpedo tubes. The boat is faced with it upside to right side of the hull. The covers at the deck are located in the middle of the boat.
You willalso find all these Informations in the publication "Vom Original zum Modell: Uboottyp II - Die "Einbäume"- from Eberhard Rössler (ISBN 3-7637-6023-7).
Regards
Uboatfan
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Hi uboatfan,
Could you tell me where in Vom Original zum Modell there is a reference to the dinghy location in a type II, I am unable to see it in any of the plans and as my German is moderately rubbish a page number would be a great help.
Regards
Jon
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Hello Jon,
no problem:
Page 79, bottom right (on the drawing), sectional drawing H-H (dingi faces outside)
Page 81, upper left, sectional drawing H-H (Dingi faces inside)
On the drawings at pages 84 and 85 you will see the position of the dingi as smal dashed line.
Bow just below the second bollard. Rear at the middle between the second stanchion and the end of the torpedo tubes.
It is difficult to see, but it is visible.
unfortunately this drawing where never published in a larger scale.
Hope you will find it now...
Regards,
Uboatfan
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Hi uboatfan,
Many thanks for that, it's easy to spot on the sectional drawings, when I looked, much less so on the overhead and plan views.
According to my quick calculations the plans make the dinghy approximately 3 x 0.89m, which is somewhat smaller than the type IX dinghy at around 3.4 x 1.4m, not surprising really. I don't have a figure for the type VII dinghy to hand.
Regards
Jon
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Hello Jon,
that dimensions could be possible.
At "Bootsbau" from A.Brix (1911) i found a German-Kriegsmarine-dingi with the dimensions 3,60 m x 1,30 m. It looks like the dingi used later on type IX boats.
And at the Brix from 1929 a similar one (but for civil use) with 3,15 m x 1,13 m.
Both were disigned for harbour usage and a capacitie of 1 to 4 Persons (The bigger one).
OK, this drawings are more than 20 years older than the submarines, but they look identical.
Regards,
Uboatfan
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Hi uboatfan,
It is definitely possible, particularly the larger boat being the same as the one for a type IX, there is no saying how accurate the type IX plans are so the small difference could be accounted for.
Regards
Jon
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Found another pic of the wooden dinghy. it took time ;D
Cheers and Happy Easter Gentlemen!
(http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m130/s-germani/Uboats/dinghy.jpg) (http://s103.photobucket.com/user/s-germani/media/Uboats/dinghy.jpg.html)