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Re: VIIC/41 - Schematices drawing
« Reply #1395 on: 03 Apr , 2016, 13:27 »
On page 24 of Vom Original VIIC three lids can be seen on the lower platform of the Turm IV on U 1056. It is difficult to be sure but the rearmost container could be black?

I believe you are right, there a colour different between the rearmost container and the other two.

This is a bit tricky.

On the late Type IXs the ammo containers were much higher. The vertical surfaces are straightforward as they were the upper grey. The lids were, for the most part, mostly a horizontal surface and if the regulations were being strictly adhered to, painted black. However there may have been some variances, with the lids on some boats were painted with the upper grey.

I also think you right if you strictly adhered to the regulations the lid should be painted black. I check all my photo’s and it look like about 30% to 40% of the late war Type VIIC’s could have a black lid but with the poor quality of the photo’s, I cannot be 100% sure on any of them.

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Re: VIIC/41 - Schematices drawing
« Reply #1396 on: 04 Apr , 2016, 09:14 »
Hi Snowman, hi Dougie,

impressive picture many thanks for sharing.

Some thoughts about colours. Please take a look at the attached jpg "comparison". As a preliminary point it is just an example to underline my following remarks and not to raise a claim to have spotted the accurate colours.

Let's get started: On the left side you can see the original picture and on the right side my (fast) colour corrections. Photographers know that colour photos from this area has a red and a yellow cast due to the used material (I suppose Eastmann Kodak maybe "Kodakchrome" here). The yellow cast can be spotted very good in the clouds and the whole sky area. The red cast can be recognized in the rope and brown colored areas. The surface of the sea has IMO to much magenta and yellow so it looks to blue. The whole photo seems to be a little bit saturated and underexposed. Maybe this is a result from the scan process of the original photo or the photographer did not used the optimal aperture.

In addition to it: The central issue discussing about colours is that all forum members here can not see the identical correct colours due to non-calibrated displays or individual colour profile settings. Not to mention the various settings of the display like colour temperature, brightness, gamma and so on. This problem is well known in my profession (Graphic-Design and Prepress), we call it "individual colour aspects"  ;)


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Re: VIIC/41 - Schematices drawing
« Reply #1397 on: 05 Apr , 2016, 13:05 »
Simon can you upload your most recent model I have the sketch up program and i would like to see how you have come over all

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Re: VIIC/41 - Schematices drawing
« Reply #1398 on: 05 Apr , 2016, 14:30 »
Simon can you upload your most recent model I have the sketch up program and i would like to see how you have come over all

All my models are uploaded to 3DWarehouse. I regularly update the model already uploaded, also I will upload a few new models over the next few days.

https://3dwarehouse.sketchup.com/collection.html?id=u4a2facb6-00be-441c-a5e5-ffd7a3c3549d

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Re: VIIC/41 - Schematices drawing
« Reply #1399 on: 05 Apr , 2016, 17:01 »
Hello gents,

Falo - many thanks for altering the image for us.

Simon - There are a few good images on Ebay.de at the moment.

I know this is U 1305 rather than U 1308 but you may be interested in this photo -

http://www.ebay.de/itm/U-1305-M-51575-U-Boot-13-9-1944-U-Boat-Indienststellung-Front-33-flottille-5-/401101335394?hash=item5d6380ab62:g:xQMAAOSwbwlXA~bq

The part to look out for is just behind the saddle tank, at the surface of the water. There are a collection of small round holes here (13 in each group - 6 on top row, 7 on bottom row). Have you seen this before? It is new to me.

Another image worth checking out -

http://www.ebay.de/itm/Foto-U-Boot-Indienststellung-2-Baulehrkompanie-U-Danzig-Kriegsmarine-Polen-F-/311582945950?hash=item488bca729e:g:l6AAAOSwQgpXAW~F

Firstly there is a barrel container sticking out of the lower platform on the port side. Secondly the ammo container lids look to be the upper colour (the twin 20mm gun can be seen to be gunmetal and is noticeably darker than the ammo lids.

There are several more in this series (just type in "U-boot foto, Danzig" and they will all be there) and they are all good quality.

Cheers,

Dougie


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Re: VIIC/41 - Schematices drawing
« Reply #1400 on: 05 Apr , 2016, 19:58 »
http://www.ebay.de/itm/U-1305-M-51575-U-Boot-13-9-1944-U-Boat-Indienststellung-Front-33-flottille-5-/401101335394?hash=item5d6380ab62:g:xQMAAOSwbwlXA~bq

The part to look out for is just behind the saddle tank, at the surface of the water. There are a collection of small round holes here (13 in each group - 6 on top row, 7 on bottom row). Have you seen this before? It is new to me.

This is new to me, I have not noted this before.

I checked my photo's collection and I also found it on U-250 & you can also see it in this photo below.

http://www.ebay.de/itm/Foto-U-Boot-Indienststellung-2-Baulehrkompanie-U-Danzig-Kriegsmarine-Polen-G-/311582946487?hash=item488bca74b7:g:9hMAAOSwJblXAW~t

http://www.ebay.de/itm/Foto-U-Boot-Indienststellung-2-Baulehrkompanie-U-Danzig-Kriegsmarine-Polen-F-/311582945950?hash=item488bca729e:g:l6AAAOSwQgpXAW~F

Firstly there is a barrel container sticking out of the lower platform on the port side. Secondly the ammo container lids look to be the upper colour (the twin 20mm gun can be seen to be gunmetal and is noticeably darker than the ammo lids.

There are several more in this series (just type in "U-boot foto, Danzig" and they will all be there) and they are all good quality.

Dougie, did you see the 3 drain holes in the middle of the casting of the lower platform? Never seen that before also :o

http://www.ebay.de/itm/Foto-U-Boot-Indienststellung-2-Baulehrkompanie-U-Danzig-Kriegsmarine-Polen-K/311582947778?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D35939%26meid%3D9f7c82fa2ebd46ee8802a7f4d910ca82%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D311582945950

http://www.ebay.de/itm/Foto-U-Boot-Indienststellung-2-Baulehrkompanie-U-Danzig-Kriegsmarine-Polen-F-/311582945950?hash=item488bca729e:g:l6AAAOSwQgpXAW~F

Firstly there is a barrel container sticking out of the lower platform on the port side.

Never seem the barrel container like that before also :o However, if you look at the photo below, the flap does not look waterproof and its look totally different to the normal ones, perhaps this container was used for something other?

http://www.ebay.de/itm/Foto-U-Boot-Indienststellung-2-Baulehrkompanie-U-Danzig-Kriegsmarine-Polen-E-/361526318659?hash=item542ca5d643:g:kJoAAOSwQgpXAW-h

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Re: VIIC/41 - Schematices drawing
« Reply #1401 on: 06 Apr , 2016, 11:09 »
Hi Simon,

No, I don't recall seeing those three holes in the lower platform before. You may have seen them but notice there are at least four round drainage holes on the underside of the upper platform. U 1056 had these too.

I see what you mean about the lids on the barrel containers, this one is different to the norm. I still think it must be for a barrel due to the shape and because there was often a barrel container somewhere on the lower platform. I note that U 1305 had two containers, one on either side, I wonder what U 1308 had?

Regarding the small round holes near the waterline. These are in the position where the three elongated holes usually were. Perhaps on U 1305 and U 250 they drilled these round holes instead of cutting out the three large elongated drain holes. However, I know when I have drilled out a vent I have drilled a line of round holes around the area, popped out the part and then filed the edges of the vent with a file. The pattern of round holes on U 1305 is a bit reminiscent of this process so I wonder if a worker could possibly be halfway through a similar process?

Cheers,

Dougie 

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Re: VIIC/41 - Schematices drawing
« Reply #1402 on: 06 Apr , 2016, 13:27 »
I note that U 1305 had two containers, one on either side, I wonder what U 1308 had?

To my knowledge there no photo's of U-1308, however, I may have recently found one at http://www.u-boot-archiv-cuxhaven.de. This photo may have been taken in February 1953 inside the CT of U-1308.

I have found one photo's of U-1306 at http://forum.sub-driver.com which is likely the most similar u-boat to U-1308 (It also have a Alberich coating. I have never see any pictures of U-1307 and I have no evidence that U1307 had Alberich).




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Re: VIIC/41 - Schematices drawing
« Reply #1403 on: 06 Apr , 2016, 16:03 »
Hi Simon,

I don't have photos of U 1307 or U 1308 but if I ever do see them then I'll send to you.

The following is supposed to be of U 1306 (though it would be hard to be 100% about it as the source of the photo is unknown) -



Cheers,

Dougie

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Re: VIIC/41 - Schematices drawing
« Reply #1404 on: 20 Apr , 2016, 08:10 »
hi,

Regarding this picture,it`s the U-968.



my best regards,

Ron.

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Re: VIIC/41 - Schematices drawing
« Reply #1405 on: 20 Apr , 2016, 09:40 »
Hi Ron,

Many thanks for identifying the boat, very helpful.

Cheers,

Dougie

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Re: VIIC/41 - Schematices drawing
« Reply #1406 on: 20 Apr , 2016, 10:17 »
Hi Dougie,

It was Axel Niestle who gave this boat a positive ID.

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Re: VIIC/41 - Schematices drawing
« Reply #1407 on: 26 Apr , 2016, 13:08 »
Hi Snowman, hi Dougie,

impressive picture many thanks for sharing.

Some thoughts about colours. Please take a look at the attached jpg "comparison". As a preliminary point it is just an example to underline my following remarks and not to raise a claim to have spotted the accurate colours.

Let's get started: On the left side you can see the original picture and on the right side my (fast) colour corrections. Photographers know that colour photos from this area has a red and a yellow cast due to the used material (I suppose Eastmann Kodak maybe "Kodakchrome" here). The yellow cast can be spotted very good in the clouds and the whole sky area. The red cast can be recognized in the rope and brown colored areas. The surface of the sea has IMO to much magenta and yellow so it looks to blue. The whole photo seems to be a little bit saturated and underexposed. Maybe this is a result from the scan process of the original photo or the photographer did not used the optimal aperture.

In addition to it: The central issue discussing about colours is that all forum members here can not see the identical correct colours due to non-calibrated displays or individual colour profile settings. Not to mention the various settings of the display like colour temperature, brightness, gamma and so on. This problem is well known in my profession (Graphic-Design and Prepress), we call it "individual colour aspects"  ;)


Regards
falo


Falo, could you please re-upload the colour corrected photograph. I did not save it the first time.

Thanks, Simon.

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Re: VIIC/41 - Schematices drawing
« Reply #1408 on: 26 Apr , 2016, 23:32 »
Hi Simon,


please find attached the re-upload.


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Re: VIIC/41 - Schematices drawing
« Reply #1409 on: 26 Apr , 2016, 23:40 »
Hi Simon,


please find attached the re-upload.


Regards
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Thanks  :)